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Pretty much everything in the title. Sounds like a combination of production delays and already floundering ratings prompted it, but it has been announced in time for the final season to be filmed with this knowledge, so there at least shouldn't be any loose ends for anyone who cares.

Haven't heard about it be an extended season. I thought it would be 20 episodes.

It's both, it's going to be 20 episodes but apparently all the other Arrowverse shows will have reduced counts.

Good. I think the arrowverse has overstayed it's welcome. Time to wrap that gak up.

I managed to get through season 1, though I suspect that was mostly on account of Melissa Benoist eye candy. Season 2 lost me. Tried the first few episodes of Arrow and just couldn't get into it at all. In any case, hope the Arrowverse comes to a satisfying conclusion for all the fans out there!

 Lance845 wrote:
Good. I think the arrowverse has overstayed it's welcome. Time to wrap that gak up.

I don't think you'll be getting your wish anytime soon. There's that new Superman show in the works, Black Lightning, The Flash, Batwoman and Legends still going, hints at a Green Lantern project, plus I honestly think Stargirl has had the best first season of any of them.

Plus while any of those shows continue, the old faces can always pop up for a cameo, and nobody stays dead in the Arrowverse (my biggest criticism of the whole affair, but Arrow particularly.)

Well I would be shocked if Batwoman gets more than one more season. With Ruby leaving and the general apathy of the show in general it's just not going to get the ratings they like.

Legends has been getting less popular as it goes. Its going to wrap soon too.

Back Lightning I hear is popular. But I am unsure how much of that is DC/CW wanting it to be popular. I see the show like how DC treats Cyborg. DC wants to insert "diversity" so they shove cyborg into everything. Black Lightning is the arrowverse version of that. Maybe I am wrong on that account. But its how that show always struck me.

Flash has consistently stayed popular. But they are actually running out of villains with flashes powers for him to fight at this point. What will a season of the Flash be without a evil speedster to battle for the season arc?

I can't see a Green Lantern show working. Too expensive. They can't just do the same CGI boxing glove every episode can they?

Superman would just be retreading a bunch of what Supergirl already did.

Make smallive great again!!

Lame, I truly felt it was one of the best of Superhero media. I trulu loved it and all the characters in it. and it wasnt afraid to try to draw parallels or have actualy diversity within its cast.

Ho hum, probably for the best, was starting to flail more than the usual CW template show

The man-child youtubers will most spluff their britches that a show never meant for them is ending mind


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 Argive wrote:
Make smallive great again!!

Never forget Smallville (well maybe Chloe...)

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
Never forget Smallville (well maybe Chloe...)

I question this sort of comment. Did Thriller become an objectively bad or valueless album after Jackson went... eclectic?

meh nothing of value will be lost, how this was green lit over Constantine is beyond me.

I'm not sure it was?

We had Constantine, it didn't cut it figures-wise and therefore it went away. Now I agree it was badly handled, to this day I don't think it was aired in the UK at all, or at least not in anything like a reasonable time frame relative to its launch?

But I don't think it was ever a choice between the two.

On another note, it appears The CW have picked up Stargirl for season 2, as, despite its apparent success, it was on the chopping block because of the shake up ongoing in the DC/HBO change up.

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/stargirl-season-2.html

Six seasons is a good run. I wish shows would generally commit to trying to wrap up in that kind of timeframe. I get why they don't (steady work beats unemployment) but few can really keep things going past even season 3 without losing what made them special to begin with.

I was never able to get into it.....

 Azreal13 wrote:
We had Constantine, it didn't cut it figures-wise and therefore it went away. Now I agree it was badly handled, to this day I don't think it was aired in the UK at all, or at least not in anything like a reasonable time frame relative to its launch?

Constantine is a weird one - it and Supergirl weren't produced by The CW (NBC and CBS, respectively), before joining into the Arrowverse at some point.

There's really no way to blame Supergirl for Constantine not getting more than 13 episodes - given it was still pulling in around 3 million viewers, I'm surprised it got cut when it did.

I'm not. There was backlash from the religious types about Constantine and NBC caved, after having moved the second half of the season into weird timeslots effectively killed its viewership.

Viewer numbers and the like here in the US? It's a weird system. Some companies do factor in digital--some don't. Some companies do factor in recorded views--some don't.

When episodes air out of order or get preempted(a few Constantine episodes were preempted by news/sports stuff), it messes with things. When something on NBC gets preempted/delayed by those kinds of things, it's a huuuge problem as most people are unaware that there are times on Saturday/Sunday in the dead of the morning(1-3am) that those things get reaired instead of paid programming...and the DVR won't catch it as it is still listed in TV guides as 'paid programming', since the TV guide is based on the national feed rather than the local.

I really liked constantine.

The justice league dark (/wierd) is my fav DC content. All sorts of wierd stuff. Mainly because it puts god in the same universe as superman. So that might one day be an epic fight

Constantine was always doomed. It was pretty clear that the show was struggling to live up to the source material while keeping the censors happy. The religious stuff was hardly the only thing they were struggling to make work for a public broadcast network.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Good. I think the arrowverse has overstayed it's welcome. Time to wrap that gak up.

I don't think you'll be getting your wish anytime soon. There's that new Superman show in the works, Black Lightning, The Flash, Batwoman and Legends still going, hints at a Green Lantern project, plus I honestly think Stargirl has had the best first season of any of them.

Plus while any of those shows continue, the old faces can always pop up for a cameo, and nobody stays dead in the Arrowverse (my biggest criticism of the whole affair, but Arrow particularly.)

Stargirl sits outside of the Arrowverse though bear in mind.
But the fact stands, great first season, really enjoyable.

The new Superman show is Clark and Lois, centring more on the non Superman side of their lives (or rather, fitting family life in with all the heroism that comes with the territory).

The CW have picked up Stargirl, I'd say it's almost inevitable that it'll get brought into the fold now.

Perhaps eventually? They’ve shown the main universe has the mistaken belief that the multiverse was destroyed and they’re all that’s left.

Danny76 wrote:
Stargirl sits outside of the Arrowverse though bear in mind.

Technically it doesn't. Stargirl takes place on the new Earth 2, and with CW picking the show up the chances of it crossing over are even higher now.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
We had Constantine, it didn't cut it figures-wise and therefore it went away. Now I agree it was badly handled, to this day I don't think it was aired in the UK at all, or at least not in anything like a reasonable time frame relative to its launch?

Constantine is a weird one - it and Supergirl weren't produced by The CW (NBC and CBS, respectively), before joining into the Arrowverse at some point.

There's really no way to blame Supergirl for Constantine not getting more than 13 episodes - given it was still pulling in around 3 million viewers, I'm surprised it got cut when it did.

Honestly, Constantine didn't get more than 13 episodes because it wasn't that good. Excellent casting. Great pilot. Bad plot. Like, really bad plot.

I have not seen the legit show but from watching legends, Constantine is fun, but i feel like a whole show with him as a center would drag on.
He really got old in Legends in some cases.
Allso, I feel like Supergirls Problems really was the constant introducing and dropping of characters. Especially ones that fill the Same Slot. and it was kinda annoying.
Winn for Brainiac, James Olsen for his sister. Alot more. Not to mention that the villains for the latest season where, kinda lame

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Stargirl sits outside of the Arrowverse though bear in mind.

Technically it doesn't. Stargirl takes place on the new Earth 2, and with CW picking the show up the chances of it crossing over are even higher now.

Arrowverse is Earth 1 though that’s the point.
Smallville isn't arrowverse, nor the DCEU, Titans, Old Batman/Superman/Birds of prey etc. But they are all in the Multiverse, and crossed over.

Though yes I agree the odds are higher to appear in a crossover, but they would have to do another event to merge worlds to properly bring her into the Arrowverse, like with Black Lightning and Supergirl did (And they already have a Stargirl in the universe technically).


Though from interviews and such it seems the crossovers will be smaller and slow down a little after the Crisis.
Would be sensible to avoid multiverse stuff for a while in my mind anyway, they brought everything together so they didn’t have to use that plot thread any more..



On separate but semi related news, I saw that there’s a possibility that we will see the Flash+Flash scene in the Ezra Miller film, to show where he got the name etc. That would be cool (besides that it’s shaping up to be really good with Affleck, Keaton and loads more all planned!).

I just can't do DC. It's like discount Marvel.

Like how when we were kids we'd sometimes ask for GI Joe for Christmas and get "The Corps" toys instead.

 Togusa wrote:
I just can't do DC. It's like discount Marvel.

Like how when we were kids we'd sometimes ask for GI Joe for Christmas and get "The Corps" toys instead.

Yeah that's honestly exactly how I feel too. Marvel has done a way, way better job getting me invested in their brand.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
I just can't do DC. It's like discount Marvel.

Like how when we were kids we'd sometimes ask for GI Joe for Christmas and get "The Corps" toys instead.

Yeah that's honestly exactly how I feel too. Marvel has done a way, way better job getting me invested in their brand.

There are specific things in DC I like. Mostly, though, I just can't make sense of it. There are sooo many retcons and reboots and re-reboots, and variations of the same character that I just can't keep track.
I do like some of their animated stuff, but I can't connect it back to the comics.

For example, I really like Young Justice. And I like the Vandal Savage character in it. A little trope heavy, but there seems to be some coherent motivations in that incarnation. But in Legends of Tomorrow, or the older Justice League cartoon or several of his comic book incarnations, he's just not the same guy with the same drive or motivations. He's just another random crazy in the absurdly long list of interchangeable villains, killing kids for no reason or a computer nerd creating a time paradox to make himself the king of WW2 with mono-wheel tanks, which... seriously, what?

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Marvel has done some change-ups and weird reboots over the years, but when most of the characters show up, I generally know what they're about and why they're doing the things they do.
Also the sense of scale is better. While they sometimes run into the Superman problem, generally cosmic level characters wander off into space and punch battleships or demigods, they don't hang out and bust purse-snatchers.

DC has always done better with animation than their live-action stuff. It's tonally more consistent and they're not restricted by the need for gratuitious CGI or realism, so it's better. Under the Red Hood is still one of my top DC animated movies. The big thing they're usually bad at, even in animation, is trying to have an expanded universe of movies and stuff. The weird new 52 style of the animated movies never appealed to me, especially with the focus on Batman and Damian. One shots are still DC's strong suit, or at least more contained stories for series. The closest they came to a good extended universe was the DCAU, and that was because they had the perfect combo of animators (Bruce Timm), voice actors (Kevin Conroy, Tim Daly, etc.) and proper build up to the larger scale content (starting from Batman the Animated Series and Supes version to Justice League).