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2021/05/08 05:26:52
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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As it says in the title. Do you want more Primarchs to return to 40k?
Personally, I don't care either way, but I'm curious what the community here thinks.
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2021/05/08 05:42:01
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Yes as long as they rest of the daemonic ones are first before any loyalists.
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2021/05/08 06:13:47
Subject: Re:Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yes, but the only one I care about is Leman Russ (and his wolves).
It'd be nice to finally field my RT era Russ mini as Russ himself in a 40k game.
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2021/05/08 06:14:55
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I agree, happy to see primarchs return if the loyalist return is in response to the traitor primarchs being revealed and the legions get their own supplement codexes.
And eldar, at the very least have had a full model revamp first as they are so neglected and I don’t want to be made to feel even more salty towards SM
I suppose the way I would see it priority wise:
1. Modernise craftwolrds
2. Fulgrim and EC Dec
3. Angrin and WE Dec
4. The lion
3. Leman Russ
5. Sanguinius or Khan, depending on if they will leave Sanguinius dead
I know there are other priorities like IG the above is just a lose structure please don’t jump on me
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2021/05/08 06:21:51
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Agree with mrFickle. Although 3 heretic Primarchs in a row might be a bit much.
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2021/05/08 07:10:32
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Stubborn White Lion
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Before they released any I'd have been against them but now that they've started they might as well finish
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2021/05/08 07:46:15
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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vict0988 wrote:Agree with mrFickle. Although 3 heretic Primarchs in a row might be a bit much.
I see what you did there
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2021/05/08 09:08:00
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Malicious Mandrake
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Voted no. All good if you want to model a collection - I see the attractiveness of that.
On the table? Not remotely interested.
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2021/05/08 09:24:48
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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vict0988 wrote:Agree with mrFickle. Although 3 heretic Primarchs in a row might be a bit much.
I want at least one Loyalist first. There's already two Daemon Primarchs. Fluff, Logic, and Suspension of Disbelief thinks they should stay roughly even in numbers. Guilliman can't be everywhere at once, and Chapter Masters can only speedbump not out strategize a Primarch based on the fluff so far. So they need another Loyalist to offset Magnus (Russ is the traditional - but Lion or Corvus would be a cross tradition option which they seem to be doing - Guilliman was traditionally aimed at Lorgar, Angron, and/or Fulgrim) and then another for whichever Daemon Primarch is next. Otherwise it would be a simple thing for Mortarion and/or Magnus to lock Guilliman down, while the other can get away with murder.
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My WHFB armies were Bretonians and Tomb Kings. |
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2021/05/08 09:36:30
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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But by introducing fulgrim or a grin you are creating 2 new armies where as a loyalist primarch is just another big buff to SM that have had a huge upgrade project.
But I do take your point and I would also ask should you count abbadon at primarch level. Not fluff wise but stat wise.
Also one of the new SOB models looks like it will have guilliman level stats
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2021/05/08 10:02:30
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Morty, Angron and Fulgrim would be three Heretic/Daemon Primachs in a row, 'tis true.
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2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote:You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling. - No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... |
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2021/05/08 10:07:48
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Would have preferred them to remain in the mists of time, but that ship has sailed. So why not.
The one who are firmly dead need to stay that way. Those like Dorn, where there is enough wiggle room with no body/confirmation they can do. Yes, this means not everyone will get one. That’s OK.
Traitors should get the 2 remaining god specific ones with corresponding codexs,
I’d probably want Russ and the Lion back first for the loyalists. With Vulcan also high on the list.
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2021/05/08 10:09:29
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Noooo.
If only for the selfish reason that they tend to overly show up, often times are just unbalanced messes (as are any way to big / pts intensive units really).
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2021/05/08 10:14:01
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
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You got 'em in HH. If you want primarchs, go play HH. They're really nice minis. Better than plastic Girlyman by miles.
Other than daemon Primarchs, which are neat-o, it doesn't really feel like it makes the setting of the Imperium any richer.
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2021/05/08 10:36:40
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Bamberg / Erlangen
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Voted yes, but for me only Angron and Fulgrim are missing.
Let the rest remain in their myths and legends.
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2021/05/08 11:09:31
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Slaanesh Chosen Marine Riding a Fiend
Australia
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Voted yes, but really I'm after the Legions that will inevitably come with them rather than the Primarchs themselves. Loyalists should largely stay missing.
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The Circle of Iniquity
The Fourth Seal
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2021/05/08 11:12:08
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Fixture of Dakka
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No I don't want any more. My dudes don't have a primarch, so there is zero entice to want to see more added to the game.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. |
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2021/05/08 11:27:02
Subject: Re:Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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I voted "maybe". Actually I don't think not having Primarch impact the play of army so much. As we can all see, Thousand Sons can do just fine without taking Magnus. Mortarion was once thought "Oh so OP" when Death Guard comes out, but it has been proved that although he is very very strong, he is not the unstoppable broken unit it was once thought, and DG can be just as Top Tier no matter you take him or not.
Same for the Loyalist side, you don't need Guilliman to make SM strong. The strong SM chapter like DA, WS are already among top dogs without Primarch anyway. And the only army you will include Guilliman is not the top choice in competitive manner anyway, and even you take the Primarch, you are NOT bringing Ultramarine to the top dog level anyway. So I don't really care if there would be more Primarch released.
By the way. I don't believe any other Primarch are coming soon, unless GW has got a really bad period in terms of Warhammer 40k model selling.
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2021/05/08 11:27:22
Subject: Re:Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Having a primarch that is good but not mandatory is great. The can has been opened anyways, bring all of them back, no reason to leave any living primarch out.
I'd also love to read about the clusterfeth that would happen politically in the imperium when Russ, Lion and/or Dorn come back who might take a slightly less political correct approach than Gulliman to everyone worshipping the emperor as a god.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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2021/05/08 11:39:22
Subject: Re:Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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I'm 50/50. I'd love to see Vulkan back, cos Salamanders (I need no other reason), but at the same time HH loses it's unique appeal of 'Gods amongst Men' the more we bring them back.
I guess I'd be comfortable with them coming back en masse if the Traitor Primarchs were demonstrably more powerful. That would be needed because the Imperium has known for 10,000 years that the Traitor Primarchs are still out there, and occassionally make incursions. And yet for 10,000 years Vulkan, Russ and all the 'MIA' Primarchs haven't bothered to return. There needs to be sufficient reason for them to return other than just 'We heard Angron was knocking about on Armageddon'. So they could either invest the Traitor Primarchs with significantly more power (Which is hard to demonstrate considering they're already stronger than most Daemon Princes), or GW need to make steps to demonstrate that the Traitor Legions are a credible threat other than comical villains who get conveniently slapped down by RG.
At the moment, notwithstanding the recent retcon of the Indomitus Crusade, RG popped up and b****slapped his way across the galaxy to (basically) reunite it in 200 years. If that is the measure of his power, then there is no justification for the other Primarchs. They'll just be playing Hawkeye to his Captain America ( I loath Marvel, but it's a good comparison ). I mean, this train has no brakes - it is going to happen as soon as GW needs a new marketing angle or they wrap up FW releases entirely. It's just a question of execution.
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2021/05/08 11:41:32
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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I would like more even though mine is dead. I do think we'll have the 4 daemon ones before any other loyalist will appear.
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2021/05/08 13:34:15
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Breton wrote: vict0988 wrote:Agree with mrFickle. Although 3 heretic Primarchs in a row might be a bit much.
I want at least one Loyalist first. There's already two Daemon Primarchs. Fluff, Logic, and Suspension of Disbelief thinks they should stay roughly even in numbers.
Fluff, logic ans suspension of disbelief say that loyalist primarchs have been dead for thousands of yeas whilst the chaos ones have always existed.
Bringing back Guilliman is literally the singe biggest fluff mistake GW has eve made, and it has seriously damaged the tome of the setting.
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2021/05/08 13:48:17
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Damsel of the Lady
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More Primarchs and Primarch like models for other factions.
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2021/05/08 14:42:10
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I want more primarchs, yes.
For loyalists I think both the Lion and Russ are lazy and boring options. I say throw a curve ball like the Khan or Vulkan.
For Chaos I'd say of course Fulgrim and Angron, but. . .
Wouldn't it be cool to have Alpharius leading renegade marines? I still like the idea of renegade marines that aren't Chaos and the rules don't really me run that very well.
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2021/05/08 15:14:00
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I wish they'd stop introducing big AOS-style centerpiece models period. Primarchs, High Lords etc were better left in the lore where they could retain some mystery and majesty instead of put into the game to promptly die every other game to somebody's melta squad.
But sadly that's a vote I clearly lost a long time ago.
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2021/05/08 15:24:34
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Witch Hunter in the Shadows
Aachen
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Crimson wrote:Breton wrote: vict0988 wrote:Agree with mrFickle. Although 3 heretic Primarchs in a row might be a bit much.
I want at least one Loyalist first. There's already two Daemon Primarchs. Fluff, Logic, and Suspension of Disbelief thinks they should stay roughly even in numbers.
Fluff, logic ans suspension of disbelief say that loyalist primarchs have been dead for thousands of yeas whilst the chaos ones have always existed.
Bringing back Guilliman is literally the singe biggest fluff mistake GW has eve made, and it has seriously damaged the tome of the setting.
Aren't Primarchs biologically immortal and some are even entirely immortal?
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2021/05/08 15:35:43
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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nekooni wrote:
Aren't Primarchs biologically immortal and some are even entirely immortal?
At least in older publication it was especially said that they were long lived but not immortal. But that's all made up, so it of course can change. It just is comically stupid that they would vanish for thousands of years, an then all return in very short span of time. It also completely destroys the themes of the setting, but it seems most people (either fans or the studio) do not care any more and will rather have puerile superhero soap opera.
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2021/05/08 15:37:02
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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40k was better when it was about mortal, roughly human individuals struggling in a decaying, grimdark world, not effectively immortal superheroes punching each other. The legendary figures of past ages should have stayed in HH where they belong.
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2021/05/08 15:47:38
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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yukishiro1 wrote:40k was better when it was about mortal, roughly human individuals struggling in a decaying, grimdark world, not effectively immortal superheroes punching each other. The legendary figures of past ages should have stayed in HH where they belong.
Absolutely.
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2021/05/08 16:04:50
Subject: Do You Want More Primarchs?
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Hauptmann
Hogtown
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I do not want more of them. I don't like the Avenger-ization of 40k.
In fact, I hope Roboute gets eaten by nids or something.
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