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2021/07/03 02:12:01
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
I have to wonder whether or not they would eventually decide to abandon the site since they are barely putting out anything new for regular 40K or AoS, and only seem to be pulling more and more models from production. Thoughts?
2021/07/03 02:26:04
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
I don’t think so, I think it would only help sell more of other kits on forge world.
I think forgeworlds issues are management issues honestly.
Forge world really needs to be worth going to for more than a few factions at random.
I think also that GW have gone to great lengths to make resin seem like a bad product and it’s come back to hurt them.
Rather than managing that perception.
2021/07/03 03:22:30
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
I think it would allow forgeworld to mainly go back to doing what it was originally intended to do and do extremely well. Niche products, that don't necessarily have rules that are designed/adapted for every day play. Forgeworld was originally about making models that GW couldn't make, or viably/financially make.
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2021/07/03 04:04:14
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
I think the 30% price hike when they went to local currency ended Forge World. Transitioning to plastic 30k products will let more people play 30k, trying to keep them horrendously expensive to keep the corpse of the FW label rolling in really isn't worth it.
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2021/07/03 05:00:13
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
I'm fully convinced that FW40k will eventually disappear, except for titans maybe.
There simply is no longer a reason for them to create 40k models, as any amount of detail and size can be created in plastic nowadays. And if it's worth doing in resin, it's also worth doing in plastic.
They already can't keep up with demand, whenever a model remotely becomes popular, it sells out immediately and becomes hard to acquire for years. 40k has totally drifted into the mainstream and anything remotely interesting for people playing the game is way over FW's ability to supply.
And if you want a fancy alternative model or some extra bits? There are dozens of companies out there doing a way better job than FW.
Essentially, what they should focus on is niche models - those for collectors, the ones you break out once every other year like a titan or a manta or dioramas from the novels like the Abaddon/Loken one. Nothing that can be played in a regular game of 40k is niche anymore.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2021/07/03 10:28:07
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
Hair, fur, skin. Still looks dreadful in plastic, and doesn’t compare as well against high quality resin or even metal done well.
Not to mention it’s still economically sound for smaller sellers, GW just doesn’t seem to be good at picking up what would sell and what won’t.
Eldar would be perfect for small runs I think, as the entire set up design for the 3 Eldar factions wants for unique one off models.
2021/07/03 10:31:04
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
Apple fox wrote: Hair, fur, skin. Still looks dreadful in plastic, and doesn’t compare as well against high quality resin or even metal done well.
Not to mention it’s still economically sound for smaller sellers, GW just doesn’t seem to be good at picking up what would sell and what won’t.
Eldar would be perfect for small runs I think, as the entire set up design for the 3 Eldar factions wants for unique one off models.
Considering how necrons, a faction that has much less players than eldar, were sold out for weeks after their re-launch, it's fairly safe to assume that anything eldar would be above FW's capacity.
7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
2021/07/03 10:37:42
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
Apple fox wrote: Hair, fur, skin. Still looks dreadful in plastic, and doesn’t compare as well against high quality resin or even metal done well.
Not to mention it’s still economically sound for smaller sellers, GW just doesn’t seem to be good at picking up what would sell and what won’t.
Eldar would be perfect for small runs I think, as the entire set up design for the 3 Eldar factions wants for unique one off models.
Considering how necrons, a faction that has much less players than eldar, were sold out for weeks after their re-launch, it's fairly safe to assume that anything eldar would be above FW's capacity.
I wonder if there is much less players now honestly, necrons where quite popular for a while there it seemed. And this isn’t entire range in resin, I think they should be able to manage for a single alternate model maybe once a year. Unless there are truly mismanaged, and do they have such a issue with the special 30k models. Which I think some must sell better than Eldar models must.
2021/07/03 11:44:46
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
Jidmah wrote: I'm fully convinced that FW40k will eventually disappear, except for titans maybe.
There simply is no longer a reason for them to create 40k models, as any amount of detail and size can be created in plastic nowadays. And if it's worth doing in resin, it's also worth doing in plastic.
They already can't keep up with demand, whenever a model remotely becomes popular, it sells out immediately and becomes hard to acquire for years. 40k has totally drifted into the mainstream and anything remotely interesting for people playing the game is way over FW's ability to supply.
And if you want a fancy alternative model or some extra bits? There are dozens of companies out there doing a way better job than FW.
Essentially, what they should focus on is niche models - those for collectors, the ones you break out once every other year like a titan or a manta or dioramas from the novels like the Abaddon/Loken one. Nothing that can be played in a regular game of 40k is niche anymore.
As long as FW keep releasing 30k stuff 40kFW won't go away. Also, which models specifically do you know of from FW that have been out of stock for years?
You also can't use non-GW parts at official events which GW seems to being doing more of these days.
2021/07/03 12:05:25
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
Da Boss wrote: Forgeworld currently sell about 3 models I'd be interested in purchasing, so from my perspective they're practically closed already.
I am curious what they are? since this is common sentiment I have seen. I would say most players here feel like there is nothing really made for them so ignore forgeworld. I am the only person to my known that has any of the super heavy tanks/aircraft and they are display only.
2021/07/03 12:23:55
Subject: Re:Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
I think the sentiment towards FW is different depending on where a person lives. A lot of UK peeps are much more likely to buy FW products as it costs naff all to ship it. With Brexit now as well, EU hobbyists especially are going to have a much harder time getting FW stuff and that's the grouping that I find doesn't really care for FW unless they are into 30k.
2021/07/03 13:05:42
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
Da Boss wrote: Forgeworld currently sell about 3 models I'd be interested in purchasing, so from my perspective they're practically closed already.
I am curious what they are? since this is common sentiment I have seen. I would say most players here feel like there is nothing really made for them so ignore forgeworld. I am the only person to my known that has any of the super heavy tanks/aircraft and they are display only.
I have a mild interest in a couple of the big tyranid monsters and I like the Ork Gargantuan Squiggoth. Maybe the Death Korps Death Riders, but I notice that some of them are no longer available either.
Not really interested in giant IG tanks though I see the appeal, none of the space marine stuff interests me at all, and they got rid of all the WFB stuff that would have interested me.
I have the small squiggoth from FW and I quite like it. I think it was a fun purchase. But I'm not into the Heresy and I'm good for marine miniatures and stuff, so the majority of what they sell is not appealing to me.
Edit: Yeah, Brexit factors into it for me as well. I've got a package stuck in a warehouse for 6 months at this stage from earlier in the year, so I'm just not ordering from the UK any more. If I can't get it from an EU supplier I'm not bothering.
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Da Boss wrote: Forgeworld currently sell about 3 models I'd be interested in purchasing, so from my perspective they're practically closed already.
I am curious what they are? since this is common sentiment I have seen. I would say most players here feel like there is nothing really made for them so ignore forgeworld. I am the only person to my known that has any of the super heavy tanks/aircraft and they are display only.
Why are they display only? If they have rules you can play them if you want.
2021/07/03 13:26:07
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
Da Boss wrote: Forgeworld currently sell about 3 models I'd be interested in purchasing, so from my perspective they're practically closed already.
I am curious what they are? since this is common sentiment I have seen. I would say most players here feel like there is nothing really made for them so ignore forgeworld. I am the only person to my known that has any of the super heavy tanks/aircraft and they are display only.
I have a mild interest in a couple of the big tyranid monsters and I like the Ork Gargantuan Squiggoth. Maybe the Death Korps Death Riders, but I notice that some of them are no longer available either.
Not really interested in giant IG tanks though I see the appeal, none of the space marine stuff interests me at all, and they got rid of all the WFB stuff that would have interested me.
I have the small squiggoth from FW and I quite like it. I think it was a fun purchase. But I'm not into the Heresy and I'm good for marine miniatures and stuff, so the majority of what they sell is not appealing to me.
Edit: Yeah, Brexit factors into it for me as well. I've got a package stuck in a warehouse for 6 months at this stage from earlier in the year, so I'm just not ordering from the UK any more. If I can't get it from an EU supplier I'm not bothering.
The ork models always cool I was curious for my own thoughts on forgeworld.
Also they are too big and anoying to play with for so little value I find, better as a display peace for anything but the rarest games. Rules kinda suck as well.
And getting it to a game is soo much effort >.<
2021/07/03 13:28:10
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
AnomanderRake wrote: I think the 30% price hike when they went to local currency ended Forge World. Transitioning to plastic 30k products will let more people play 30k, trying to keep them horrendously expensive to keep the corpse of the FW label rolling in really isn't worth it.
The price hike due to the currency conversion hit NA customers harder than EU ones. I pay less now for Forge World stuff than I did before when forced to pay in GBP, taking shipping costs into account.
2021/07/03 13:58:19
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
30K pretty much leaves me cold. Forge World's main appeal to me was the early days and alternate Leman Russ turrets, and their forays in to epic scale minis. Splashed out on the 40k bombard/colossus model once. Everytime I feel tempted by a Thunderbolt fighter for 40k I find it's about £20 more than I'm prepared to pay for it.
2021/07/03 14:44:32
Subject: Re:Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
I do feel as if FW is in managed decline right now. It seems like they're loosing models more quickly than they're making them, and they've lost a lot of their "envy" within the community.
I wouldn't be surprised if FW stays around for a few more years and is then dropped and turned into the specialist games division.
2021/07/03 15:09:05
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
IMO Horus Heresy needs a lot of main "army list" kits in plastic. This includes various marks of power armor, terminators, transports, and "main" tanks like Spartans, Land Raiders, Predators, Sicarans, and so on.
Yet even after all of those go plastic, there are still dozens of legion-specific kits that I believe don't see high enough sales numbers to produce in plastic, not to mention Primarchs.
I wouldn't mind if most of the 30k line were plastic available in most hobby shops, and then you go to Forge World for some of your legion-specific upgrades, a special unit here or there, and your primarch.
Forge World, or should I say "the portion of FW responsible for Horus Heresy", appears to have been somewhat badly managed over the last few years. One of my biggest complaints has always been that they don't communicate anything at all, and it's almost like some upper level GW manager has a huge grudge and deliberately keeps FW from talking to their playerbase. This also ties in to the continued "Out of stock", "No Longer Available", "Sold Out Online" issues with the FW section of the website, where I'm sure with a bit of extra work they could code in some helpful notices like "The mold for this miniature is undergoing repairs, and the estimated return time for purchasing this mini again is X number of weeks/months." That would alleviate a lot of concern.
2021/07/03 16:44:35
Subject: Re:Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
No, every single new thing that comes out for heresy only makes FW stronger, plastic even more than resin. The people who buy this stuff care about the quality not the price so what will hurt fw is the poor QC and worst of all, the sculpts deteriorating with age.
2021/07/03 17:02:36
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
FW as a business model annoys me. Often when I want to order from them it is out of stock or no longer available, leaving customers to wait for whenever things are available which seems based off a random encounters table.
It would be a little less annoying if they had a "Made to Order" business model.
2021/07/03 19:48:10
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
Apple fox wrote: Hair, fur, skin. Still looks dreadful in plastic, and doesn’t compare as well against high quality resin or even metal done well.
Unfortunately, Forge World are willing to put out... this
Unpainted he doesn’t look that bad, though the fur is more of PPs style than GW, which makes it look wrong, as GW furs don’t have that aesthetic. Plus the paint job does it no favours…
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2021/07/03 19:52:26
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
Gregor Samsa wrote: Ending forgeworld would be the best thing to happen to warhammer in 20 years.
In what way would no longer having the studio that creates miniatures and products for a lot of niche things that otherwise wouldn't be made, while also being an integral part of various specialist games, be "the best thing to happen"?
2021/07/04 15:29:07
Subject: Would a transition to Plastic 30K Kits End ForgeWorld?
Gregor Samsa wrote: Ending forgeworld would be the best thing to happen to warhammer in 20 years.
In what way would no longer having the studio that creates miniatures and products for a lot of niche things that otherwise wouldn't be made, while also being an integral part of various specialist games, be "the best thing to happen"?
I also would like to add that, whoever does the sculpting for their ork models, is amazing and wish they would pay them to do more.
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I was curious for my own thoughts on forgeworld.
