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Looks like Nidz and IG are getting supplement books...which is interesting since you know....they don't have a codex yet. This kind of ties into an earlier thread about whether or not GW is successful in spite of itself, and this is a good example of it being the case

Don't get me wrong, I am wicked happy Nids and Guard are getting a book but I was hoping they would get a codex first to you know...base this on. I think this is going to cause a wonderful FAQ/Errata nightmare as GW tries to remember what it said when it said it and how its going to say it in the future

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SemperMortis wrote:
Looks like Nidz and IG are getting supplement books...which is interesting since you know....they don't have a codex yet. This kind of ties into an earlier thread about whether or not GW is successful in spite of itself, and this is a good example of it being the case

Don't get me wrong, I am wicked happy Nids and Guard are getting a book but I was hoping they would get a codex first to you know...base this on. I think this is going to cause a wonderful FAQ/Errata nightmare as GW tries to remember what it said when it said it and how its going to say it in the future


...one might actually argue that it makes MORE sense to give out these power-boosting supplements to factions like nids and guard that dont have 'dexes, rather than doing day-1-DLC books for factions that are just getting their books and haven't been, you know, playtested at all by the community.

"Should I put this trait in to double the attacks a succubus can do? I'm sure its fine.'

"Should I give Cult of Strife numerous stratagems to increase the hitting power of their wych cult units? im sure its fine."

"Should I give cult of strife ignore overwatch at will? I'm sure it's fine."

"Should I give cult of strife the ability to grant a 4++ for a full turn to hellions and reavers that dont usually get 4++ saves? I'm sure its fine."

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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IG and nid dexes are extremely likely to be the last 2 dexes of this edition. They have to wait around 13-14 months more for their rules. This is a way to get them by in the meantime.

Now, I still don't like it, and won't buy it, but it has a far more sound rational than the other campaign books.
   
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Spoletta wrote:
IG and nid dexes are extremely likely to be the last 2 dexes of this edition. They have to wait around 13-14 months more for their rules. This is a way to get them by in the meantime.

Now, I still don't like it, and won't buy it, but it has a far more sound rational than the other campaign books.


LMAO, I am also of the opinion that you shouldn't release campaign books at all until every faction has a codex in hand. That is 1 thing they did mostly right in 8th that they should have kept going. As to the_Scotsman comment...yeah, playtesting should probably be handled before release dates not after With that said....GW is notorious for how terrible their playtesters are. Friendly reminder that according to reece the Stompa is going to be OP in 8th!

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 the_scotsman wrote:
"Should I put this trait in to double the attacks a succubus can do? I'm sure its fine.'
"Should we give Transhuman Physiology and All Is Dust to Guardsmen? I'm sure it's fine."


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Spoletta wrote:
IG and nid dexes are extremely likely to be the last 2 dexes of this edition. They have to wait around 13-14 months more for their rules. This is a way to get them by in the meantime.

Now, I still don't like it, and won't buy it, but it has a far more sound rational than the other campaign books.


Yep. This is probably the best potential outcome right now. T'au and CSM hitting early next year. GSC and Custodes in December. Eldar seems like it will catch a Spring / Summer release. Then all we have is Knights / Daemons / Harlies.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 the_scotsman wrote:
"Should I put this trait in to double the attacks a succubus can do? I'm sure its fine.'
"Should we give Transhuman Physiology and All Is Dust to Guardsmen? I'm sure it's fine."


It only on a single unit though, it doubt it will be gamebreaking.

 
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 the_scotsman wrote:
"Should I put this trait in to double the attacks a succubus can do? I'm sure its fine.'
"Should we give Transhuman Physiology and All Is Dust to Guardsmen? I'm sure it's fine."



In fairness to those poor guardsmen, Transhuman is a failure on 2-3 this is only a failure on a 2, so its 50% less effective, especially since its on cheap infantry models, and the All is dust is buffing them to a 4+ rather than a 2+

And finally on top of all of that..its a 1CP strat on a 55pt infantry unit

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 Aenar wrote:
It only on a single unit though, it doubt it will be gamebreaking.
I don't care. Transhuman, as much as I despise that strat, exists because Primaris Marines are Marines++ an have super-duper Cawl-Approved internal organs that make them amazing. Thousand Sons have All is Dust because there's literally no living matter within them to kill/wound, so they can shrug off hits that should cripple them as it's really just the armour taking the hit.

Guard, unsurprisingly, are Guard. They're squishy humans. Very squishy humans. So squishy in fact that once upon a time GW realised that Guard commanders aren't really the type to be mixing it up with Chaos Lords and Hive Tyrants, so stuck them in Command Squads to keep them safe.

They forgot that somewhere along the way, and now they have this rule.

It's beyond stupid. This rule should not exist.

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SemperMortis wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 the_scotsman wrote:
"Should I put this trait in to double the attacks a succubus can do? I'm sure its fine.'
"Should we give Transhuman Physiology and All Is Dust to Guardsmen? I'm sure it's fine."



In fairness to those poor guardsmen, Transhuman is a failure on 2-3 this is only a failure on a 2, so its 50% less effective, especially since its on cheap infantry models, and the All is dust is buffing them to a 4+ rather than a 2+

And finally on top of all of that..its a 1CP strat on a 55pt infantry unit


Yea it's just ok. There isn't a ton of S6 floating around right now. Probably the biggest outcome would be preventing an opponent from boosting their weapons.

This will definitely go on 30 man conscripts. Without Raw Recruits they may actually be reliable.



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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's beyond stupid. This rule should not exist.


Why? Why can't it just represent their resolve or ability to dig in?

Why are we complaining about the lethality of 9th and then complaining about rules that address that? I get it isn't the sort of solution some people want, but come on...

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Sheesh, if GW waits 14 months to get the IG codex out, that'll be basically 2023.

That's 6 years between codexes, or exactly the same amount of time IG have had to wait for an update between their 3rd edition codex and their 5th edition codex. (and tied for the longest IG have ever gone without an update).

But NuGW has a faster release schedule and said they will never leave any armies in the dust again. Plus, they buffed Cadians in the interim, so it's all good /s

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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Sheesh, if GW waits 14 months to get the IG codex out, that'll be basically 2023.

That's 6 years between codexes, or exactly the same amount of time IG have had to wait for an update between their 3rd edition codex and their 5th edition codex. (and tied for the longest IG have ever gone without an update).

But NuGW has a faster release schedule and said they will never leave any armies in the dust again. Plus, they buffed Cadians in the interim, so it's all good /s


I think when they mean "leaving in the dust" they are referring to Sisters and how they were left to rot in oblivion for so long.

It does suck though when your army is last in a codex cycle. I only hope that the wait is worth it and they get a proper big release of models and all kinds of beautiful stuff.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 the_scotsman wrote:
"Should I put this trait in to double the attacks a succubus can do? I'm sure its fine.'
"Should we give Transhuman Physiology and All Is Dust to Guardsmen? I'm sure it's fine."


I did not realize things had gotten so bad... thanks for this.

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SemperMortis wrote:
Spoletta wrote:
IG and nid dexes are extremely likely to be the last 2 dexes of this edition. They have to wait around 13-14 months more for their rules. This is a way to get them by in the meantime.

Now, I still don't like it, and won't buy it, but it has a far more sound rational than the other campaign books.


LMAO, I am also of the opinion that you shouldn't release campaign books at all until every faction has a codex in hand. That is 1 thing they did mostly right in 8th that they should have kept going. As to the_Scotsman comment...yeah, playtesting should probably be handled before release dates not after With that said....GW is notorious for how terrible their playtesters are. Friendly reminder that according to reece the Stompa is going to be OP in 8th!


Well the playtesters are just glorified typo seekers. For balance fixes one would need to include points but playtesters weren't even asked from those let alone listened.

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 Eldarsif wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Sheesh, if GW waits 14 months to get the IG codex out, that'll be basically 2023.

That's 6 years between codexes, or exactly the same amount of time IG have had to wait for an update between their 3rd edition codex and their 5th edition codex. (and tied for the longest IG have ever gone without an update).

But NuGW has a faster release schedule and said they will never leave any armies in the dust again. Plus, they buffed Cadians in the interim, so it's all good /s


I think when they mean "leaving in the dust" they are referring to Sisters and how they were left to rot in oblivion for so long.

It does suck though when your army is last in a codex cycle. I only hope that the wait is worth it and they get a proper big release of models and all kinds of beautiful stuff.


Oh, and here I was thinking they'd changed and would make sure to update codexes more quickly and that their words were more than just "ok, ok, sisters are a real army now".

If they really just meant "You'll still have 6-year codex update cycles, but you can add Sororitas to the pile too" then I confess I misunderstood what they were asserting.
   
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 the_scotsman wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
Looks like Nidz and IG are getting supplement books...which is interesting since you know....they don't have a codex yet. This kind of ties into an earlier thread about whether or not GW is successful in spite of itself, and this is a good example of it being the case

Don't get me wrong, I am wicked happy Nids and Guard are getting a book but I was hoping they would get a codex first to you know...base this on. I think this is going to cause a wonderful FAQ/Errata nightmare as GW tries to remember what it said when it said it and how its going to say it in the future


...one might actually argue that it makes MORE sense to give out these power-boosting supplements to factions like nids and guard that dont have 'dexes, rather than doing day-1-DLC books for factions that are just getting their books and haven't been, you know, playtested at all by the community.

"Should I put this trait in to double the attacks a succubus can do? I'm sure its fine.'

"Should I give Cult of Strife numerous stratagems to increase the hitting power of their wych cult units? im sure its fine."

"Should I give cult of strife ignore overwatch at will? I'm sure it's fine."

"Should I give cult of strife the ability to grant a 4++ for a full turn to hellions and reavers that dont usually get 4++ saves? I'm sure its fine."
I'm sure Players will be happy with this explanation (correct tho it may be) while they continue to get steamrolled by DE /s.

Its not going to help the communities desire for some form of balanced meta when some armies get day 1 DLC that further buffs their already good army and others get 'buffs' for an old irrelevant codex that will likely be completely invalidated by (or contrain) their future codex that comes out a year later.


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 Daedalus81 wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 the_scotsman wrote:
"Should I put this trait in to double the attacks a succubus can do? I'm sure its fine.'
"Should we give Transhuman Physiology and All Is Dust to Guardsmen? I'm sure it's fine."



In fairness to those poor guardsmen, Transhuman is a failure on 2-3 this is only a failure on a 2, so its 50% less effective, especially since its on cheap infantry models, and the All is dust is buffing them to a 4+ rather than a 2+

And finally on top of all of that..its a 1CP strat on a 55pt infantry unit


Yea it's just ok. There isn't a ton of S6 floating around right now. Probably the biggest outcome would be preventing an opponent from boosting their weapons.

This will definitely go on 30 man conscripts. Without Raw Recruits they may actually be reliable.



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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's beyond stupid. This rule should not exist.


Why? Why can't it just represent their resolve or ability to dig in?

Why are we complaining about the lethality of 9th and then complaining about rules that address that? I get it isn't the sort of solution some people want, but come on...
fix lethality by making weapons less lethal. Not by stacking yet more special rules.

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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Sheesh, if GW waits 14 months to get the IG codex out, that'll be basically 2023.

That's 6 years between codexes, or exactly the same amount of time IG have had to wait for an update between their 3rd edition codex and their 5th edition codex. (and tied for the longest IG have ever gone without an update).

But NuGW has a faster release schedule and said they will never leave any armies in the dust again. Plus, they buffed Cadians in the interim, so it's all good /s


I think when they mean "leaving in the dust" they are referring to Sisters and how they were left to rot in oblivion for so long.

It does suck though when your army is last in a codex cycle. I only hope that the wait is worth it and they get a proper big release of models and all kinds of beautiful stuff.


Oh, and here I was thinking they'd changed and would make sure to update codexes more quickly and that their words were more than just "ok, ok, sisters are a real army now".

If they really just meant "You'll still have 6-year codex update cycles, but you can add Sororitas to the pile too" then I confess I misunderstood what they were asserting.


Considering how long the codex cycle was in older editions one could technically argue that the current one is super fast, especially when a codex skipped editions. We also don't know if Guardsmen or Nids will be last so it remains to be seen. I mean, my first army(Craftworlds) seems to be late to the party so I am here waiting along with you.
   
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 Eldarsif wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Sheesh, if GW waits 14 months to get the IG codex out, that'll be basically 2023.

That's 6 years between codexes, or exactly the same amount of time IG have had to wait for an update between their 3rd edition codex and their 5th edition codex. (and tied for the longest IG have ever gone without an update).

But NuGW has a faster release schedule and said they will never leave any armies in the dust again. Plus, they buffed Cadians in the interim, so it's all good /s


I think when they mean "leaving in the dust" they are referring to Sisters and how they were left to rot in oblivion for so long.

It does suck though when your army is last in a codex cycle. I only hope that the wait is worth it and they get a proper big release of models and all kinds of beautiful stuff.


Oh, and here I was thinking they'd changed and would make sure to update codexes more quickly and that their words were more than just "ok, ok, sisters are a real army now".

If they really just meant "You'll still have 6-year codex update cycles, but you can add Sororitas to the pile too" then I confess I misunderstood what they were asserting.


Considering how long the codex cycle was in older editions one could technically argue that the current one is super fast, especially when a codex skipped editions. We also don't know if Guardsmen or Nids will be last so it remains to be seen. I mean, my first army(Craftworlds) seems to be late to the party so I am here waiting along with you.


I mean, like I said, the longest period the IG EVER had to wait was 6 years (2003 -> 2009). If people's predictions are 14 months from October 2021? That's 2023. Do you know when the IG book was released? 2017.

"Super Fast" should never be synonymous with "nearly tied for the longest time the army had to ever wait for an update ever" imho.

My other armies are CWE, Daemons and other IG flavors so...
   
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Released October 2017 so it'd be five years. You can continue to claim it is slow if you ignore literally every other metric, so...huzzah?

   
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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Sheesh, if GW waits 14 months to get the IG codex out, that'll be basically 2023.

That's 6 years between codexes, or exactly the same amount of time IG have had to wait for an update between their 3rd edition codex and their 5th edition codex. (and tied for the longest IG have ever gone without an update).

But NuGW has a faster release schedule and said they will never leave any armies in the dust again. Plus, they buffed Cadians in the interim, so it's all good /s


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5th Edition Ork Codex N/A
6th Edition Ork Codex N/A
7th Edition Ork Codex 2014 (Arguably the worst codex of the edition)
8th Edition Ork Codex November 2018 (Good Codex)
9th Edition Ork Codex 2021

The only faction which gets Codex love on a regular basis is the Space Marines.

3rd Edition SM Codex 1998
4th Edition SM Codex 2004
5th Edition SM Codex 2008
6th Edition SM Codex 2013
7th Edition SM Codex 2015
8th Edition SM Codex 2017
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Released October 2017 so it'd be five years. You can continue to claim it is slow if you ignore literally every other metric, so...huzzah?


Right, five ish years. And the IG Codex in 2009 was released in May, but the 2003 one was released in November, so also 5 and a bit years strictly speaking. I didn't know how many significant figures you wanted before you believed me.

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I mean, like I said, the longest period the IG EVER had to wait was 6 years (2003 -> 2009). If people's predictions are 14 months from October 2021? That's 2023. Do you know when the IG book was released? 2017.


And the same will go for other armies who are now languishing, Nidz, CWE, and so on. The only army that seems safe with frequent updates is Space Marines when you think about it.

I do believe people forgot that there was a pandemic, a BREXIT, and now a shipping issue which is delaying everything. These are truly exciting and tumultuous times we live in. So 6 years which is your guesstimate could have been much shorter if the world wasn't thrown upside down a la Magneto.
   
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SemperMortis wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Sheesh, if GW waits 14 months to get the IG codex out, that'll be basically 2023.

That's 6 years between codexes, or exactly the same amount of time IG have had to wait for an update between their 3rd edition codex and their 5th edition codex. (and tied for the longest IG have ever gone without an update).

But NuGW has a faster release schedule and said they will never leave any armies in the dust again. Plus, they buffed Cadians in the interim, so it's all good /s


3rd Edition Ork Codex 1999
4th Edition Ork Codex 2008
5th Edition Ork Codex N/A
6th Edition Ork Codex N/A
7th Edition Ork Codex 2014 (Arguably the worst codex of the edition)
8th Edition Ork Codex November 2018 (Good Codex)
9th Edition Ork Codex 2021

The only faction which gets Codex love on a regular basis is the Space Marines.

3rd Edition SM Codex 1998
4th Edition SM Codex 2004
5th Edition SM Codex 2008
6th Edition SM Codex 2013
7th Edition SM Codex 2015
8th Edition SM Codex 2017
8th Edition SM II Codex 2019
9th Edition SM Codex 2019

and of course that is without any of the supplements or other Chapters. GW does what makes them money. And power armor makes money




The point is that NuGW isn't actually different than OldGW but is rather convincingly pretending they are.


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 Eldarsif wrote:
I mean, like I said, the longest period the IG EVER had to wait was 6 years (2003 -> 2009). If people's predictions are 14 months from October 2021? That's 2023. Do you know when the IG book was released? 2017.


And the same will go for other armies who are now languishing, Nidz, CWE, and so on. The only army that seems safe with frequent updates is Space Marines when you think about it.

I do believe people forgot that there was a pandemic, a BREXIT, and now a shipping issue which is delaying everything. These are truly exciting and tumultuous times we live in. So 6 years which is your guesstimate could have been much shorter if the world wasn't thrown upside down a la Magneto.


Right, but NuGW being "as good as" OldGW puts the kabosh to the idea that NuGW is actually different, right?

And yeah, I know COVID broke everything. All the more reason to take stopgap measures (like releasing update pdfs!) rather than blithely move along like nothing has changed.

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 Unit1126PLL wrote:


The point is that NuGW isn't actually different than OldGW but is rather convincingly pretending they are.

Right, but NuGW being "as good as" OldGW puts the kabosh to the idea that NuGW is actually different, right?

And yeah, I know COVID broke everything. All the more reason to take stopgap measures (like releasing update pdfs!) rather than blithely move along like nothing has changed.


I am definitely not in the GW white knight category, but even I have to admit they have been significantly faster with releases etc of late. IG might get boned this time around, but compare that to prior editions, its not like they aren't doing anything, they just have a lot of stuff to release for just this one game.

4th edition GW had 11 codex get released. 11. And it took them 4-5 years to get those all done. 9th edition just so far is 13 codex/supplements and 2 expansions with this one being the 3rd, along with Black Templars getting released soon. And its been about 15 months. That is light speed compared to prior years.

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 Eldarsif wrote:
I mean, like I said, the longest period the IG EVER had to wait was 6 years (2003 -> 2009). If people's predictions are 14 months from October 2021? That's 2023. Do you know when the IG book was released? 2017.


And the same will go for other armies who are now languishing, Nidz, CWE, and so on. The only army that seems safe with frequent updates is Space Marines when you think about it.

I do believe people forgot that there was a pandemic, a BREXIT, and now a shipping issue which is delaying everything. These are truly exciting and tumultuous times we live in. So 6 years which is your guesstimate could have been much shorter if the world wasn't thrown upside down a la Magneto.
We live in the 21st century. If you have so much trouble shipping physical codexes then sell them digitally. Heck you can give people that buy the digital codex as a stop-gap measure a discount to buying the physical book when you can get it out.
   
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Right, but NuGW being "as good as" OldGW puts the kabosh to the idea that NuGW is actually different, right?

And yeah, I know COVID broke everything. All the more reason to take stopgap measures (like releasing update pdfs!) rather than blithely move along like nothing has changed.


On a socialist Star Trek principles I agree that it would be fantastic if GW would do something in the interim. I do not say that in jest even if it might sound so.

I do however maintain that NuGW is better at releasing than OldGW. The difference is that I do not accept that it is some binary value of "Same/Best", but rather that NuGW, or rather CurrentGW, is "somewhat better" in their release schedule than in the old days. You could say that I do believe in the usability of Floating Point values in measuring progress on a gradient rather than some Sithian-esque absolutes.


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 Ordana wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:
I mean, like I said, the longest period the IG EVER had to wait was 6 years (2003 -> 2009). If people's predictions are 14 months from October 2021? That's 2023. Do you know when the IG book was released? 2017.


And the same will go for other armies who are now languishing, Nidz, CWE, and so on. The only army that seems safe with frequent updates is Space Marines when you think about it.

I do believe people forgot that there was a pandemic, a BREXIT, and now a shipping issue which is delaying everything. These are truly exciting and tumultuous times we live in. So 6 years which is your guesstimate could have been much shorter if the world wasn't thrown upside down a la Magneto.
We live in the 21st century. If you have so much trouble shipping physical codexes then sell them digitally. Heck you can give people that buy the digital codex as a stop-gap measure a discount to buying the physical book when you can get it out.


Oh definitely and I do feel one the more tragic turns in 9th has been the disappearance of the digital codexes. The App code system they have implemented currently does not do it for me honestly.

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I'll lay off for now, as you're right, they're releasing things faster.

But they've crammed so much junk into the release schedule that any given book isn't coming out faster.

I don't really count campaign supplements as "releases" (since GW did those in spades back in the day as well, including free ones). As soon as we do, you actually get a pretty good stream of releases as well. They just didn't FEEL like releases.

I mean hell, go back and look at the 2003-2006 Chapter Approved (the ones that included entire army lists). IG got 3 separate updates (finalizing with the last Armored Company list in 2006).

But since they were mostly released as .pdfs for free on GW's website, people ignored them as "codex releases". It seems disingenuous to count them now just because they're physical books and aren't free.

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SemperMortis wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:


The point is that NuGW isn't actually different than OldGW but is rather convincingly pretending they are.

Right, but NuGW being "as good as" OldGW puts the kabosh to the idea that NuGW is actually different, right?

And yeah, I know COVID broke everything. All the more reason to take stopgap measures (like releasing update pdfs!) rather than blithely move along like nothing has changed.


I am definitely not in the GW white knight category, but even I have to admit they have been significantly faster with releases etc of late. IG might get boned this time around, but compare that to prior editions, its not like they aren't doing anything, they just have a lot of stuff to release for just this one game.

4th edition GW had 11 codex get released. 11. And it took them 4-5 years to get those all done. 9th edition just so far is 13 codex/supplements and 2 expansions with this one being the 3rd, along with Black Templars getting released soon. And its been about 15 months. That is light speed compared to prior years.
yes, 9th is faster then 7th and before. But how does it stack up against 8th?
For a lot of 8th they were pumping out 2 books a month. That is the recent history that people know and 9th does not live up to that.
   
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 Unit1126PLL wrote:


Right, but NuGW being "as good as" OldGW puts the kabosh to the idea that NuGW is actually different, right?

And yeah, I know COVID broke everything. All the more reason to take stopgap measures (like releasing update pdfs!) rather than blithely move along like nothing has changed.


Yup. Nothing changed.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Released October 2017 so it'd be five years. You can continue to claim it is slow if you ignore literally every other metric, so...huzzah?


Not really sure this is a great gotcha. Yes, that's *only* 5 years. But that's a very long time in a pretty power-creepy edition. With the exception of Custodes, old books are pretty uniformly garbage right now.
   
 
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