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I hope we see some juve models soon.

I'd imagine FW will do Juve packs or 4 or 6 with some Juve-sized weapon arms.

That would be cool.

Since Juves are basically Youngbloods now, they're probably going to be max 2 per gang aren't they?

Could see a booster type thing of a heavy and 2 Juves maybe

It’s possible, but I don’t think we’ve got enough info to suitably confirm that.


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It’s possible, but I don’t think we’ve got enough info to suitably confirm that.

Andy Hoare explained that whilst you can only field so many members in a given scenario, your gang itself can be far larger.

So we could see few limitations on what we can add, instead encountering them when we arrange a battle,

Well it's been done to minimize the amount of skills you have to remember - having a massive amount of Juves means that doesn't happen.

2 Juves seems like a reasonable expectation

Leader, 2 champions, 2 Juves/Youngbloods would be the same as Mordheim wouldn't it? Necromunda was my baby, didn't play much Mordheim

Vorian wrote:
Well it's been done to minimize the amount of skills you have to remember - having a massive amount of Juves means that doesn't happen.

2 Juves seems like a reasonable expectation

Leader, 2 champions, 2 Juves/Youngbloods would be the same as Mordheim wouldn't it? Necromunda was my baby, didn't play much Mordheim

Pretty much with a chance to promote one of the henchmen on a roll of 12 i think. Some warbands started with more or less heros though.

Promo pack is Goliath & Escher range ruler, A4 sticker sheet, A3 posters, Leader / character cards with holographic effects. Not sure if actual GW stores or website will have a different offer. Extremely limited supply as per usual.

Vorian wrote:
Since Juves are basically Youngbloods now, they're probably going to be max 2 per gang aren't they?

The pages I saw basically said that you could have as many Juves as you want as long as they're not more than half your gang.

 Mymearan wrote:

Andy said Forge World upgrade sets are forthcoming, so you probably won't have to wait long for those. The fact that they aren't in Gang War is crazy though.

Still waiting for Forge World upgrade kits for the initial blood bowl teams (humans and orcs) 1 year later. That starter box had two teams practically unplayable from the starter box.

While such upgrade kits are awesome for the teams/gangs they are made for, they're unbearable for those they're not made for.


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 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Vorian wrote:
I don't really see the issue.

I don't believe you.

Vorian wrote:
They are releasing the game as a new game. When stuff comes out they'll include the rules for it.

It's only an issue for those of us that are already familiar with Necromunda - and for us there's the legacy stuff.

This has nothing to do with Necromunda. It's a systemic problem with GW as a whole.

Vorian wrote:
Releasing rules and information about stuff coming months down the line seems a good way to confuse and frustrate new players.

Having the rules for mundane weaponry (swords, chainswords, stubguns, meltaguns, heavy stubbers) in the basic rules isn't going to confuse and frustrate anyone.

Actually, it is to do with Necromunda, because it is following a sales model that is now common with 'big' non 'main-line' releases through FW/GW (Bloodbowl, Shadespire etc)

And that's where the "systemic problem" you replied to comes in.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Since Juves are basically Youngbloods now, they're probably going to be max 2 per gang aren't they?

The pages I saw basically said that you could have as many Juves as you want as long as they're not more than half your gang.

Ahh, so always 50% gangers, well that makes sense. Wonder if Juves remain Juves forever then.

If they grew into Champions then what would happen if you didn't have enough Rep?

I think its been said you can have more gangers in your overall roster, so maybe if you end up with too many juves/champions some of them stay at home guarding the gangs turf whilst the rest fight.

zamerion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Since Juves are basically Youngbloods now, they're probably going to be max 2 per gang aren't they?

The pages I saw basically said that you could have as many Juves as you want as long as they're not more than half your gang.

Spoiler:

Oh thats cool! does anyone have the escher one?

Ruin_In_The_Dark wrote:
I think its been said you can have more gangers in your overall roster, so maybe if you end up with too many juves/champions some of them stay at home guarding the gangs turf whilst the rest fight.

IIRC, the gang is your complete mob of guys, while your crew is the ones who turn up to a given fight.

 Geifer wrote:
Lovely. So I don't just get to pay full price for half the game, but also full price for half the supplemental rules? Yeah, somehow I no longer feel the urge to pre-prder this.

Necromunda will be a game to buy Videogame style. Wait for all the DLC to be release and then buy all in the "Legendary" package at a 75% discount

Yeah, during the GW Summer Sale.

Oh... wait...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah, during the GW Summer Sale.

Oh... wait...

 Galas wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Lovely. So I don't just get to pay full price for half the game, but also full price for half the supplemental rules? Yeah, somehow I no longer feel the urge to pre-prder this.

Necromunda will be a game to buy Videogame style. Wait for all the DLC to be release and then buy all in the "Legendary" package at a 75% discount

Yeah, I have my doubts that we'll see a Necromunda Gold Edition anytime soon.

It's not like GW isn't getting my money at all, but one of those Christmas army boxes is way more appealing than buying Necromunda bit by bit. I'll probably get out my old Orlocks and play them until the dust has settled. Maybe by the time the new Orlocks roll out I'll be in a more benevolent mood and take a second look at Necromunda. Right now it just doesn't seem like I'm going to get my money's worth.

 Galas wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Lovely. So I don't just get to pay full price for half the game, but also full price for half the supplemental rules? Yeah, somehow I no longer feel the urge to pre-prder this.

Necromunda will be a game to buy Videogame style. Wait for all the DLC to be release and then buy all in the "Legendary" package at a 75% discount

Galas, you hit the nail on the head. It is frustrating to see that there won´t be even an encompassing common wargear list in the upcoming campaign rules set. It will take me months to build & paint one gang to use them on the tabletop. Meanwhile I had planned to use my vintage Escher gang but according to the new rules they wield illegal equipment. The wargear list won´t allow for chainswords, stub guns, bolt pistols, heavy stubbers and heavy plasma guns. Because of this I won´t preorder Necromunda.
GW´s turbo capitalistic approach grinds to a halt right there. Baiting us with an iconic tabletop game of the past and then essentially banning former equipment loadouts is just a bad move that will rub people the wrong way. If they don´t put any effors at all to correct these mistakes, then I won´t purchase their shiny new product. Which is actually quite a bummer because I was really hyped for this game.

 Strg Alt wrote:
Meanwhile I had planned to use my vintage Escher gang but according to the new rules they wield illegal equipment. The wargear list won´t allow for chainswords, stub guns, bolt pistols, heavy stubbers and heavy plasma guns.

From Facebook:

We will be producing legacy rules for the classic miniatures on the Necromunda website, in much the same way as we did for those teams not included in Death Zone Season 1.

Again, that's not really the point.

What is the point is that they're putting out a rules supplement that contains the gang creation rules for Eschers and Goliaths and they are missing tons of mundane basic equipment because that equipment is not on the sprue.

I have no proof I can show you of this but from what I've seen online the sky is indeed not falling and there is a general list of equipment for things like autoguns and lasguns and all the nice things we had in the metal format which every gang has access too. Then each gang gets their own fancy stuff on top of that.

I just wouldn't be surprised to see the new equipment be better than the old original equipment. And that you'll probably need to pay forge world for the privilege.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Again, that's not really the point.

What is the point is that they're putting out a rules supplement that contains the gang creation rules for Eschers and Goliaths and they are missing tons of mundane basic equipment because that equipment is not on the sprue.

Why is it not the point? He wants to use his old stuff, there's rules for his old stuff.

Vorian wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Again, that's not really the point.

What is the point is that they're putting out a rules supplement that contains the gang creation rules for Eschers and Goliaths and they are missing tons of mundane basic equipment because that equipment is not on the sprue.

Why is it not the point? He wants to use his old stuff, there's rules for his old stuff.

It's worth considering that the legacy rules might be written exactly like the new rules. GW will look at what models are equipped with and give those exact options to those exact gangs.

If this is the case, it's the same problem as with the new rules. GW entirely misses what makes the game - a complete rules framework for which GW conveniently produces fitting models and upgrade parts. Instead the game is limited to what GW intends to produce models for, at the expense of rules quality.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2547


I don't understand why the supplement Gang Wars is so limited if they are gonna allow for customization like this:

Support class: doc, ratling cook, ….(4 planned)
FW upgrade are already on the way to new weapons, iconic item …
House weapons blitzer will be made with rules to them !
They want to make rules for everything possible to allow kitbashing a goliath with a driller !
Champions are the new heavy !

Genestealer and Chaos Cults will get rules down the line. Maybe quite early via online or WD!!
All the Genestealer Cult weapons are usable by all other gangs too, so have fun kit-bashing stuff!

So both Escher and Goliath (And the rest) will have access to all Genestealer Cult weapons (Mining Drills, Lasers, Power Picks, etc...) but they don't have those in Gangs Wars.

 Geifer wrote:

Vorian wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Again, that's not really the point.

What is the point is that they're putting out a rules supplement that contains the gang creation rules for Eschers and Goliaths and they are missing tons of mundane basic equipment because that equipment is not on the sprue.

Why is it not the point? He wants to use his old stuff, there's rules for his old stuff.

It's worth considering that the legacy rules might be written exactly like the new rules. GW will look at what models are equipped with and give those exact options to those exact gangs.

No "might". it has been confirmed. If theres not a metal model for that weapon and gang, then they don't receive legacy rules.

Or another way to phrase it - there will be rules for every Necromunda model.

 Galas wrote:

Spoiler:

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2547


I don't understand why the supplement Gang Wars is so limited if they are gonna allow for customization like this:

Support class: doc, ratling cook, ….(4 planned)
FW upgrade are already on the way to new weapons, iconic item …
House weapons blitzer will be made with rules to them !
They want to make rules for everything possible to allow kitbashing a goliath with a driller !
Champions are the new heavy !

Genestealer and Chaos Cults will get rules down the line. Maybe quite early via online or WD!!
All the Genestealer Cult weapons are usable by all other gangs too, so have fun kit-bashing stuff!

So both Escher and Goliath (And the rest) will have access to all Genestealer Cult weapons (Mining Drills, Lasers, Power Picks, etc...) but they don't have those in Gangs Wars.

 Geifer wrote:

Vorian wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Again, that's not really the point.

What is the point is that they're putting out a rules supplement that contains the gang creation rules for Eschers and Goliaths and they are missing tons of mundane basic equipment because that equipment is not on the sprue.

Why is it not the point? He wants to use his old stuff, there's rules for his old stuff.

It's worth considering that the legacy rules might be written exactly like the new rules. GW will look at what models are equipped with and give those exact options to those exact gangs.

No "might". it has been confirmed. If theres not a metal model for that weapon and gang, then they don't receive legacy rules.

Hadn't read that yet, thanks for the link. There you have it.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
Meanwhile I had planned to use my vintage Escher gang but according to the new rules they wield illegal equipment. The wargear list won´t allow for chainswords, stub guns, bolt pistols, heavy stubbers and heavy plasma guns.

From Facebook:

We will be producing legacy rules for the classic miniatures on the Necromunda website, in much the same way as we did for those teams not included in Death Zone Season 1.

Thanks for the info. Nice to see that they care for the vets.

Vorian wrote:
Or another way to phrase it - there will be rules for every Necromunda model.

No. There will be rules for every stock Necromunda model, which won't do for a game whose core is its campaign system that involves modular and partially randomly generated equipment.