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I could post another list of all of yesterday's votes, if it was wanted.

Please do that.

I was looking back over the votes on Day 2 and something weird jumped out at me... why when the vote was tied (5 GND 5 LotG with the tiebreaker killing GND) did LotG switch his vote off of GND to Mekboy?

Also, for Day 1 the following people voted for Ferret's Lynch:

ginger_nid_dude
Emperor's Faithful
Drk_O
Deff Dread red Edition
Gornall
Fifty
Rusty Knight

The following people did NOT vote for LotG's final lynch on Day 2:
Gornall
Rusty Knight
Fifty
Vulkan_He'stan
ginger_nid_dude/Dastardly Dan
DLS/Arnheiner
Stynier (didn't vote)

If you look at the names that are common on both lists, I think it gives a real short list of suspects:
Gornall
Fifty
Rusty Knight
GND/DD

That leaves four pretty solid suspects, including myself. However, if you look at my votes, it was my vote that put LotG in danger by putting him into a tie with GND. If I was working with LotG that would be a pretty lousy plan. What does everyone think about this group of people?

I knew before you had even posted it that I would be on both lists.

Now, while it is very unlikely that a 'stealer would vote for LotG, it is far from as certain that they would have voted for ferret on the first day, as long as the second place person was not a 'stealer. That actually makes me think DLS/Arheiner is less suspicious after all.

I've been pretty solid in my suspicions of gnd since early on, mainly because of the way he phrased one or two things, and the switch to a new player leaves me no less suspicious, especially as he has instantly pointed the finger at people who are talking a lot, and recently that has been me. The voting pattern of LotG is highly suspect.

I've never had a read on RustyKnight, as I've said elsewhere. As long as Gornall had time to remove his vote on LotG, it need not have been fatal (It was not just one vote from lynching, was it?), though, with the way the voting works, I admit it would have been very very risky and left LotG exposed for a long time.

If it was obvious that LotG was close to a lynch, then a 'stealer might have voted for him, to avoid suspicon next day. So we cant look to closely at what Gornall posted.

Lord-Loss wrote:If it was obvious that LotG was close to a lynch, then a 'stealer might have voted for him, to avoid suspicon next day. So we cant look to closely at what Gornall posted.

That's the thing, though.... GND was the one close to a lynch the entire day, and looked more like the inevitiable lynch than LotG. That and the people that stayed on GND were voting for him pretty much all day. Like you said, it's not a smoking gun, but it's something to work with.

Fifty wrote: As long as Gornall had time to remove his vote on LotG, it need not have been fatal (It was not just one vote from lynching, was it?), though, with the way the voting works, I admit it would have been very very risky and left LotG exposed for a long time.

Like you said, with the way the voting system works, it would have been too much risk for way too little gain if I was a genestealer and voted for LotG. By putting them into a tie with each other, especially fairly late in the day, it meant that any single vote on LotG would be fatal for him. And had I been a genestealer, when I realized that LotG was probably going to get lynched, I would have been better off leaving my vote on LotG to avoid suspicion or throwing it back on GND and hoping LotG would be online and vote for GND to save himself. Instead, I voted for DarkO because I thought he was trying to pull a fast one at the end by switching his vote.

I still haven't had time to look over all the Day 1 votes again, and I'm waiting anxiously for Mekboy's Day 2 list. Once I get a chance to read over those, maybe I can find something a little more concrete.

GND (DLS)
drk o (GND)
Rusty (GND)
lotg (GND)
Gornall (Rusty)
LL (Rusty)
not you (lotg)
50 (GND)
LL (lotg)
Arheiner (Rusty)
Deff Dread (lotg)
Vulkan (GND)
Mekboy (lotg)
Gornall (lotg)
Arheiner (Vulkan)
lotg (mekboy)
Drk O (lotg)
Gornall (Drk O)

I think that's it. A lot less jumping around with votes yesterday.

is the one in the brackets being voted for???

Yes. Same as the last list.

could every one say who they find the most suspicious at the moment
I find Dark O suspicious at the moment

Fifty wrote:
I've been pretty solid in my suspicions of gnd since early on, mainly because of the way he phrased one or two things, and the switch to a new player leaves me no less suspicious, especially as he has instantly pointed the finger at people who are talking a lot, and recently that has been me. The voting pattern of LotG is highly suspect.

Why is this suspiscious? As I said, DLS pulled this off very well in game 1, which makes me think that It's either an excellent tactic and/or a common one.

Also, People not voting for LotG proves nothing, as everyone agreed he was the stealers weak link, The other stealers could have voted for him without worry in order to make themselves appear innocent.

Clearly, I am not GND, so I can't tell you why he voted as he did, I do think that some of his posts may have looked slightly suspect however.

so who do you find suspicious???

I used to find Gornall suspicious, but looking back at previous posts I think this was slightly unjustified. Currently my suspicions rest with fifty, as he seemed very eager to incriminate me due to GNDs lack of useful posts (OOC: for which he had good reason, i.e coursework, and we've all been there.) and also his immediate suspicion of me because I pointed out a possible genestealer tactic which I had noticed in the last couple of games, I wasn't expicitly refering to him, (in fact I hadn't even considered him before that post) but he seemed to take it as if I had.

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:could every one say who they find the most suspicious at the moment
I find Dark O suspicious at the moment

Why, got anything to back that up?

as ive said at the moment its just a hunch
missed it out that time
who do you find suspicious????

"Hunches do no one any good."

"As for who I find suspicious, Vulkan_He'stan is my primary suspect at the moment. For the simple fact, that he does much the same as LOTG did. He darts in every now and then, makes a rather silly vote, backed by an equally silly reason for doing as such."

At the moment, I'm interested in three people. Ever since his odd postings at the end of yesterday I've begun to suspect Vulkan, and with his new posts (which are similar to LotG's, as DDRE said). I'm also watching Dastardly Dave like a hawk, as I was ready to lynch GND yesterday. My final person of interest is Arheiner. DLS was a suspect day one, and I don't like how he made up a reason to vote for me. But, maybe that's just personal feelings clouding my judgement. I'm still not liking Drk_O as a suspect. As far as I know, the only things against him are a string of silly posts early on (like first few pages) and trying to get LotG to actually post there at the end. Having a suspect try to defend himself is good for us. Course, lotg ended up being a genestealer, so meh.

Looking at my PoI's, I notice a pattern. Two of them have been replaced part-way through the game. What better way to mess up someone's analysis of you tha to replace yourself? Of course, I don't know if DLS would be willing to damage his ability to play in other games with this trick.

I'm going to have to side with Dave for the time being, given the vote that was an attempt to twist my arm into voting for those the Fifty could know not to be genestealers, those not talking much. It could be very likely that the genestealers are the most vocal this round as apparent with Lotg.

Now with Dave stepping into gnd's shoes and making an off hand remark about how he feels the most vocal could be the genestealers, something I had stated before his arrival. Fifty has taken to this comment rather defensively when he was not directly accused of anything.

He did how ever only vote once yesterday (for GND), which means little actually, he may have been trying to cover his tracks.

Fifty now having seen that one of his fellow genestealers is dead, and the prey he wanted lynched yesterday still alive he's attempting the same thing today. Why didn't they kill him last night you may ask? Well obviously they viewed GND as a weak link, someone they could easily get lynched the next day do to suspicion. Now that there is a new person in GND's shoes, that wont be as easy.

VOTE: Fifty

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


1 - Vulkan_He'stan (Rusty Knight)
0 - Mekboy
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty ( BrotherStynier)
0 - Rusty Knight
0 - Drk_O
0 - Dastardly Dan
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Lord-Loss Deff Dread red Edition Mekboy Gornall Drk_O Fifty Vulkan_He'stan Arheiner Dastardly Dan

With 11 alive it is 6 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Vulkan_He'stan would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:ATM I find dark o suspicious
someone said school doesnt take up that much time
its going bettween my mums and dads thats the problem

I don't think I understand what you're saying. Are you saying you find me suspicious, then talking about something completely irrelevant, or is it a metaphor.

Dastardly Dave wrote:
Ok, but that'll be difficult to do, at least until I've talked a bit, using rational arguments. After all, any one of us could be a 'stealer, so without solid proof, its impossible to prove oneself.

As for my suspicions, I would say that its often the ones who make the most noise that I find suspicisious, as what better way to hide than to stay right out in the open, where nobody will look for you, (if you see what I mean) and gradually steer the votes in the wrong direction. (OOC: DLS did this fantasticly in game 1)

So you find those who hide in the light the most suspicious. It's an interesting thought... There is something to remember when thinking this way. You might find more of the faithful than traitors.

RustyKnight wrote:

Looking at my PoI's, I notice a pattern. Two of them have been replaced part-way through the game. What better way to mess up someone's analysis of you tha to replace yourself? Of course, I don't know if DLS would be willing to damage his ability to play in other games with this trick.

Really? You're gonna use people being affected by the real world as evidence against them and you'll go as far to call it a "trick" congratulations, you've managed to secure your place as my number two most wanted for the time being, this is assisted by the fact that you also were very stead fast in your belief that GND was a 'stealer yesterday. You could be working along the same lines as Fifty.

Yeah... and Rusty has been giving me a scummy vibe, too. Especially when coupled with his prescence on my short list. However, Fifty hasn't really given me the same vibe.

BrotherStynier wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:

Looking at my PoI's, I notice a pattern. Two of them have been replaced part-way through the game. What better way to mess up someone's analysis of you tha to replace yourself? Of course, I don't know if DLS would be willing to damage his ability to play in other games with this trick.

Really? You're gonna use people being affected by the real world as evidence against them and you'll go as far to call it a "trick" congratulations, you've managed to secure your place as my number two most wanted for the time being, this is assisted by the fact that you also were very stead fast in your belief that GND was a 'stealer yesterday. You could be working along the same lines as Fifty.

You doubt that its possible? I never said I was certain, I just noted that two suspects had both had to drop out of the game. Forgive me for musing out loud, I assumed it would be better than sitting in silence.

It's infeasible enough that people could argue that it's a smoke-screen.

RustyKnight wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

RustyKnight wrote:

Looking at my PoI's, I notice a pattern. Two of them have been replaced part-way through the game. What better way to mess up someone's analysis of you tha to replace yourself? Of course, I don't know if DLS would be willing to damage his ability to play in other games with this trick.

Really? You're gonna use people being affected by the real world as evidence against them and you'll go as far to call it a "trick" congratulations, you've managed to secure your place as my number two most wanted for the time being, this is assisted by the fact that you also were very stead fast in your belief that GND was a 'stealer yesterday. You could be working along the same lines as Fifty.

You doubt that its possible? I never said I was certain, I just noted that two suspects had both had to drop out of the game. Forgive me for musing out loud, I assumed it would be better than sitting in silence.

Its not just that, its that you implied that they did this purposefully in order to through people off.

BrotherStynier wrote:... this is assisted by the fact that you also were very stead fast in your belief that GND was a 'stealer yesterday. You could be working along the same lines as Fifty.

You mean he could be an Imperial Citizen trying to bring this whole thing back to life too?

BrotherStynier wrote:I'm going to have to side with Dave for the time being, given the vote that was an attempt to twist my arm into voting for those the Fifty could know not to be genestealers, those not talking much. It could be very likely that the genestealers are the most vocal this round as apparent with Lotg.

Now with Dave stepping into gnd's shoes and making an off hand remark about how he feels the most vocal could be the genestealers, something I had stated before his arrival. Fifty has taken to this comment rather defensively when he was not directly accused of anything.

He did how ever only vote once yesterday (for GND), which means little actually, he may have been trying to cover his tracks.

Fifty now having seen that one of his fellow genestealers is dead, and the prey he wanted lynched yesterday still alive he's attempting the same thing today. Why didn't they kill him last night you may ask? Well obviously they viewed GND as a weak link, someone they could easily get lynched the next day do to suspicion. Now that there is a new person in GND's shoes, that wont be as easy.

VOTE: Fifty

I didn't ever try to twist your arm to vote, I tried to twist your arm to get involved, by talking, voting, the whole package. You've perked up a lot now, haven't you? Not a post for two pages (or maybe one, not certain), and now you are talking.

[sarcasm]As for my marvellous strategy, I am not sure it is massively successful, seeing as how you are now voting for. One for my fellow 'stealers to take note of in future games, don't you think?[/sarcasm]

Just because accusations are not direct, it does not mean they are not obvious. How is voting for gnd covering my tracks? If I wanted to do that, I would have switched my vote at some stage to LotG like I was thinking of all along. We know LotG was a 'stealer, whereas some of us think gnd is one.

Let's look at the more suspect folk around. Who did LotG target, for one thing? Who did he talk about? Surely far more convincing evidence is his late voting changes? I'll go with actual evidence over being peeved at someone getting me out of my shell and actually talking, thanks.

Fifty wrote:
I didn't ever try to twist your arm to vote, I tried to twist your arm to get involved, by talking, voting, the whole package. You've perked up a lot now, haven't you? Not a post for two pages (or maybe one, not certain), and now you are talking.

You mentioned voting for those you thought should be voted for, I will vote for those I feel like voting for.

[sarcasm]As for my marvellous strategy, I am not sure it is massively successful, seeing as how you are now voting for. One for my fellow 'stealers to take note of in future games, don't you think?[/sarcasm]

This is just silly, trying to be petty because I am calling you out on something that could be done, genestealers in past games have hidden in plain sight and to great effect. They have also managed to twist people's arms into getting them to vote for people that don't handle themselves well, GND being an example of someone not handling themselves well. So before you go shooting off your trap I suggest you look at how things have gone previously. So I'll remain suspicious of those that talk the most thanks. I've done four or so of these, this is what your first?

Just because accusations are not direct, it does not mean they are not obvious. How is voting for gnd covering my tracks? If I wanted to do that, I would have switched my vote at some stage to LotG like I was thinking of all along. We know LotG was a 'stealer, whereas some of us think gnd is one.

You are attempting to accomplish what you couldn't yesterday, kill off Dave (GND). You hoped to do it yesterday and failed now you wish to try and take advantage of the fact that like Lotg he had not been making much sense. Funny that both you and Rusty seem distrustful of the fact that Dave has taken his place.

Let's look at the more suspect folk around. Who did LotG target, for one thing? Who did he talk about? Surely far more convincing evidence is his late voting changes? I'll go with actual evidence over being peeved at someone getting me out of my shell and actually talking, thanks.

Well yesterday, he (LOTG) voted for Mekboy and GND voted for DLS one of those I believe you have mentioned as shifty or was that Rusty, sometimes it seems you argue the same thing. So you see I am using what I can as evidence, being brought out of my shell has little to do with it, mainly it was the manner in which you did, you implied that you wanted me to vote the way you did.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:ATM I find dark o suspicious
someone said school doesnt take up that much time
its going bettween my mums and dads thats the problem

I don't think I understand what you're saying. Are you saying you find me suspicious, then talking about something completely irrelevant, or is it a metaphor.

what im saying is I find you suspicious but I dont have any proof

and someone said school doesnt take up much time but thats half the day then some days
I have to go bettween my mums house and my dads house

I don't find it suspicious that gnd was replaced.

I found gnd suspicious due to his own statements and actions.

If gnd was a 'stealer, and I think he was, then, by default, Dave is one too. Thus, he is on my suspect list.