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Reiterate what exactly makes him suspicious, especially given our knowledge that LotG was a genestealer. I'm not sure if I ever saw it clearly stated.

I think we need to all voice who we find suspicous then say why. I'd like some more talking from Dave as we dont have much from him.

Suspicous: Vulkan He'stan, he bandwagoned onto Drk_Oblit day one, talked about wanting to make him 'squirm' and acted strange through day two In my opinion.

Suspicous: Gornall, just because of some bad vibes, I wouldnt act on it but Im keeping an eye out.

Thats all I really got for the moment.

thats what I keep saying I just getting some bad vibes
but I dont have any proof
vote: dark o

I think Vulkan has been acting very cagey and generally suspicious. He keeps saying that he thinks DarkO should be lynched, but doesn't offer ANY evidence. That and he has made several comments that made me go "wut?"

I think Fifty and Rusty are fairly suspicious given the results of their voting the past two days and their insistence on GND as a suspect.

GND has been a little too quiet for my tastes, so I don't know how I feel about him.

"Chief on my suspect list is still Vulkan, he voted along the same lines as LotG. Although this does not by any means make him a genestealer, it is still highly suspicious if someone out of the random pops in and makes votes based off,'bad vibes,' or other such silly things."

Gornall wrote:GND has been a little too quiet for my tastes, so I don't know how I feel about him.

OOC:That could be because he isn't playing any more , or am I to be labeled with the title of GND for the rest of the game?

All this stuff about 'bad vibes' may seem a bit weird, but they can be helpful on occasion I expect. After all, the vibes have to come from somewhere (unless you're a 'stealer making votes to create suspiscion.) Mind you, you should probably try and back up any vibes you have with evidence, or at least look a little further than your gut instict before voting solely on the basis of 'vibes'

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:thats what I keep saying I just getting some bad vibes
but I dont have any proof
vote: dark o

Your voting off a hunch? Thats too far. Voice your suspicons but dont vote for him unless you have evidence to back the vote up.

Vote: Vulkan He'stan

Dastardly Dave wrote:

Gornall wrote:GND has been a little too quiet for my tastes, so I don't know how I feel about him.

OOC:That could be because he isn't playing any more , or am I to be labeled with the title of GND for the rest of the game?

All this stuff about 'bad vibes' may seem a bit weird, but they can be helpful on occasion I expect. After all, the vibes have to come from somewhere (unless you're a 'stealer making votes to create suspiscion.) Mind you, you should probably try and back up any vibes you have with evidence, or at least look a little further than your gut instict before voting solely on the basis of 'vibes'

GND is right. If you're going to talk the talk, at least be able to walk the walk.

To play devil's advocate, I'm going to Vote for Rusty Knight

He's been giving off bad vibes the entire time and because he was so adamant about GND/DD. Also, his votes put him voting for an innocent but not for the traitor. That and him and Fifty seem to be a hair too chummy IMO.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


2 - Vulkan_He'stan (Rusty Knight Lord-Loss )
0 - Mekboy
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty ( BrotherStynier)
1 - Rusty Knight ( Gornall)
1 - Drk_O (Vulkan_He'stan )
0 - Dastardly Dan
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Deff Dread red Edition Mekboy Drk_O Fifty Arheiner Dastardly Dan

With 11 alive it is 6 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Vulkan_He'stan would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Vote: Vulkan_He'stan

I voted for him last round and I'm sticking with it for this round. Plus, all he's done today is ask who do you find suspicious and even admitting he's got no proof on those he does. Adds up to a Genestealer cultist if you ask me.

unvote: dark o
If you look back over the pages there have been many bad vibe votes how come only now some of you don't like it

"Those,'bad vibe,' votes have been accompanied with general explanations as to why certain people are getting said vibes. Your most in depth one I believe was something akin to he said something scummy, and that gives me a bad vibe. Unvoting like that also just makes me think you are a genestealer trying to appease us by removing your vote. As it seems but the slightest pressure was a applied to make you do as such. I still hold great suspicion regarding you Vulkan and I think must now say, Vote:Vulkan_He'stan"

Vulkan is now at L-2. Does he have any interactions with LotG that help us decide whether he is guilty or not? Have they voted together/against each other? Remember, we no longer have to look at everyone in isolation, as we know that LotG is guilty.

TBH, Vulkan hasn't really said much, apart from a few filler posts and reasons why he isn't posting, but would a genestealer post without reason? Personally I think a clever 'stealer would give at least a half decent reason for voting, although it could have just been an attempt to start the Dark_O bandwagon rolling again, which is probably what a 'stealer would do, given most of us are suspicious of him (Dark_O) already.

We've still got 10 days left before the deadline though, so unless we're 100% certain he's a Genestealer shouldn't we back off perhaps one vote to allow him to attempt to defend himself?

In all fairness, LotG didn't exactly post with reason. That said; Unvote:Vulkan. I'd rather not have a pair of 'stealers pop in and quick lynch him.

Gornall wrote:
He's been giving off bad vibes the entire time and because he was so adamant about GND/DD. Also, his votes put him voting for an innocent but not for the traitor. That and him and Fifty seem to be a hair too chummy IMO.

What evidence was there for LotG? The fact that he kept posting nonsense. GND did the same thing, but he droped off the rader and stopped digging a hole. If GND had kept posting nonsense and LotG had stopped posting, we could very easily have killed GND yesterday. Furthermore, GND has the same voting predicament as me, as well as you. I'll admit, the Fifty thing surprises me, but we really haven't interacted. What exactly do you mean too chummy?

Can we stop it with this "vibes" nonsense? It's worse than useless at this point.

I'm going to stick with the vibe comments because I can't explain it any other way. Just some people seem to be providing more useful feedback to the group, making them seem less scummy IMO. I don't use it as any more than a hunch/tie-breaker, though, as we also have plenty of evidence that we can leverage.

The reason I say you and Fifty seem to be chummy is that you have voted for the same people yesterday and today and used very similar reasoning.

I will admit that there is little difference between GND and LotG in the way they acted, so I would not be broken up if he was lynched today.

Yeah, I am surprised at linking me and RustyKnight as well. I've said I can't get read on him. I suppose that could be costrued as trying to accuse, without tying us together, which perversely ties us more closely, but that makes my brain start to hurt...

Mind you, my real name is Russell, which some funny wags like to abbreviate to Rusty, so maybe there is something in it.

I don't suppose anyone feels up to the job of counting up posts since it was last done? I would, but I think I prefer the idea of going to bed.

Vulkan, that last couple of comments suddenly makes you look very suspicious. Voting, then immediately unvoting the moment someone puts pressure on you means that even if you're not a 'stealer they can easily stop you from doing anything useful.

Dastardly Dave wrote: Personally I think a clever 'stealer would give at least a half decent reason for voting, although it could have just been an attempt to start the Dark_O bandwagon rolling again, which is probably what a 'stealer would do, given most of us are suspicious of him (Dark_O) already.

GND, IIRC, you're the only one who is suspicious of me.

Ye Olde Vote Accounting


3 - Vulkan_He'stan (Lord-Loss Arheiner Deff Dread red Edition )
0 - Mekboy
0 - BrotherStynier
0 - Deff Dread red Edition
1 - Fifty ( BrotherStynier)
1 - Rusty Knight ( Gornall)
0 - Drk_O
0 - Dastardly Dan
0 - Lord-Loss
0 - Arheiner
0 - Gornall

0 - No Lynch

Not Voting: Mekboy Drk_O Fifty Dastardly Dan Vulkan_He'stan Rusty Knight

With 11 alive it is 6 to Lynch
If the deadline were to hit now - Vulkan_He'stan would be lynched
Deadline countdown

Vote:BrotherStynier

The more I look at his reasons for going off the handle at Fifty, the less they make sense. Fifty votes for Stynier, saying he's only doing to so to get Stynier to help put pressure on quiet people. Then Stynier goes into a rage about how Fifty is trying to coerce Stynier into voting how Fifty wants him to. I dunno, seems like trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Plus we're in a rut, and this should at least bring people's attention back. Course, Stynier and Gornall will both now accuse me of conspiring with Fifty, but feth 'em. I'm not going to let allegations with nothing more than gut feeling and similarities that I share with half the players stop me from investigating leads.

Vulkan, please give evidence of some scummy behaviour of Drk_Oblit.

RustyKnight wrote:Vote:BrotherStynier

The more I look at his reasons for going off the handle at Fifty, the less they make sense. Fifty votes for Stynier, saying he's only doing to so to get Stynier to help put pressure on quiet people. Then Stynier goes into a rage about how Fifty is trying to coerce Stynier into voting how Fifty wants him to. I dunno, seems like trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Plus we're in a rut, and this should at least bring people's attention back. Course, Stynier and Gornall will both now accuse me of conspiring with Fifty, but feth 'em. I'm not going to let allegations with nothing more than gut feeling and similarities that I share with half the players stop me from investigating leads.

If you look at Fifty's comment when he voted for Stynier, it does look like he could have been trying to coerce/threaten him into voting his way. I'm not sure if that is what Fifty actually meant, but I don't think Stynier is off his rocker for reacting the way he did.

As for "your allegations with nothing more than gut feelings..." I'd argue that with the exception of Vulkan, everyone has been backing up their claims with at least some evidence. I don't think you should be playing a martyr just because some of that evidence seems to point to you and people brought that up.

Vulkan, please give evidence of some scummy behaviour of Drk_Oblit.

Yes. You need to give SOME evidence of why you think DarkO is guilty. You've been voting for him from Day 1. Why over the course of the last few days do you think he is the best suspect?

"I don't think he can give any sort of reason for his suspicion." I say glancing in Vulcan's direction.

"I think all those that have not stated whom they find suspicious should do so now. Just to get conversation flowing, I don't want conversation to stall as it did yesterday."

I think DD is a suspect because he has been so quiet the past couple of days and could have thrown a vote on LotG to try and save himself, but didn't. (OOC:: Could have been unable to log on though) That and earlier he was very defensive about a comment that wasn't even directed at him. He also voted for the "wrong" person both days.

I think Vulkan is a suspect or at least a good lynch canidate simply because he cannot string together coherent reasoning for why DarkO should be lynched. He has also focus on DarkO the entire time. Even if he is innocent, it might be better to lose him than another innocent who is actually adding to the conversations.

I would also argue that Rusty/Fifty bear watching. Contrary to their protests, I think a reasonable case can be made for them "working together". That and (like me too...) they made the "wrong" votes on both earlier days. That alone is enough to keep them on my short list.

Stynier is also worth watching because he has been defensive and he never did vote yesterday.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

Dastardly Dave wrote: Personally I think a clever 'stealer would give at least a half decent reason for voting, although it could have just been an attempt to start the Dark_O bandwagon rolling again, which is probably what a 'stealer would do, given most of us are suspicious of him (Dark_O) already.

GND, IIRC, you're the only one who is suspicious of me.

Really? I haven't really had that impression, and for the record, i'm not that suspiscious of you atm.

Gornall wrote:I think DD is a suspect because he has been so quiet the past couple of days and could have thrown a vote on LotG to try and save himself, but didn't. (OOC:: Could have been unable to log on though) That and earlier he was very defensive about a comment that wasn't even directed at him. He also voted for the "wrong" person both days.

Hang on, was that me or was it GND? (I came in after the start of day 3) I've had a look at all my previous posts and I can't find any that match your description, could you quote it?

I think Vulkan is a suspect or at least a good lynch canidate simply because he cannot string together coherent reasoning for why DarkO should be lynched. He has also focus on DarkO the entire time. Even if he is innocent, it might be better to lose him than another innocent who is actually adding to the conversations.

I agree with you here, he needs to give justification soon.However we should probably lynch him only if there isn't a more suspiscious lynchee, as surely we should be looking to lynch 'stealers rather than people who aren't adding to the conversation. (of course if everyone thinks he's the most suspicious then it would be fine.)

I would also argue that Rusty/Fifty bear watching. Contrary to their protests, I think a reasonable case can be made for them "working together". That and (like me too...) they made the "wrong" votes on both earlier days. That alone is enough to keep them on my short list.

Again, I agree, a lot of their posts have been slightly too similar in theme for my liking. however with 11/15 people and no-one knowing for sure (except for the genestealers) who's who it could just be coincidence.

ginger_nid_dude wrote:Oh, come on, you can't possibly be thinking me and dark O are both genestealers. If either of us is, it's him.

This one. It was brought about by:

Fifty wrote:I can't help but think more can be discerned from yesterday.

Let's think about this - how can 'stealers disguise their alliance? By voting for each other. But once they get close to lynching one of their own, they would shed their votes from that person.

Now, we know ferret was not a 'stealer, so 'stealers would not have shed their vote from him, but they may have shed their vote to him.

If anyone suddenly shifted their voting to ferret from someone else, it may help us uncover someone to look closely at.

For example, I remember that EF and LL both shifted their votes from DLS to ferret. That does not mean LL is a 'stealer - it is entirely likely that he did it to prevent an early lynching - but were there any late and unexpected shifts? Again, it is not conclusive, but it may help a little.