Walking Dead TV Show **Spoilers** (comic talk only in spoiler tags)

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**KamikazeCanuck**

ifStatement wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
KingCracker wrote:I never read the comic, so Im not biased there.

Spoiler:

I think of all the people to off, Dale was on the list of not to kill off. He literally was the only (although annoying at times) voice of reason in the group. What the hell? I figured Shane would be meeting his end here

That's the thing. This show has gone off the rails for me. This has become the anti-comic. Literally, all the most popular characters in the book are the least popular on the show because they don't know what the hell they're doing.
In the book, Andrea is ten years younger, cool, and Dale's banging her. That's not the most polite way to put it but actually it was quite touching. Dale always felt that Andrea only hooked up with him because it was a crazy zombie apocalypse. He never felt he was good enough for her because he was old enough to be her grandpa. But the thing was Andrea really did love him and of all of them the relationships theirs was the most dedicated.
So I've got that whole thing to not look forward too now.

In the comic Andrea is cool. This will blow TV people's mind but Andrea is one of the most dangerous people left on the planet. She can put a bullet through the eye of a needle with a rifle. In the show she's just some dumb

In the comic Rick is a good leader. In the show he's a zombie-wrangling, indecisive hypocrite.

Also, the idea the group would keep a kid prisnor, then torture him ,mainly beacause he had the gall to shot at them after they'd murdered two of their gang: madness. And I can't believe I'm going to say this but they didn't even let that T-Dawg guy talk during the meeting. Holy, token black guy.

ARGHH! Sorry, I have to let my nerd-rage subside.

You're starting to sound like the whiny LOTR fan who was upset they left out Tom Bombadil. The show was never advertised as direct screenplay write up from the comic.

Back on topic. I still think there is a possibility that something happened to shane and randall which we didnt see. Like what was happening in all those flashes of zombies while Shane was dieing?

Go way back in the thread and you'll see I've been very fair on this matter. I've even brought up the LOTR and The Watchmen and defended their adaptations (I actually prefer the LOTR movies). I just don't don't like this adaptation.

**Slarg232**

I'm surprised it took them this long to off that character; he was the first person in the novels to be deadified....

**Johnny-Crass**

I would just watch The Darrel Show....

**ifStatement**

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Go way back in the thread and you'll see I've been very fair on this matter. I've even brought up the LOTR and The Watchmen and defended their adaptations (I actually prefer the LOTR movies). I just don't don't like this adaptation.

So why do you go on about it? Clearly other people enjoy it and I'm pretty sure everyone gets that you don't because it doesn't reflect the comics so why post about it after every episode?

**Ratius**

Holy Jaysus, another absolutely cracking ending.

The theme music is great as it is but when they played it for that end scene and put the drums over it, I literally sat bolt upright in bed.

Is it definitive that its airborn, Im kinda siding with knife theory, otherwise its ultimately a fruitless battle they are fighting, which whilst ultra dark and different for a TV show does sort of remove that sense of hope which most humans like to have in the background?

**Hulksmash**

It's definitely airborne. The title of the show/comics is a double meaning. One meaning is obviously based on the zombies. The other is the fact that everyone still alive is just the walking dead since they are all infected.

Plus how can you still support the knife thing when Randal wasn't cut or bit?

**Ratius**

Gotcha, so trying to recall Biology 101, everyone is a carrier but only some will actually develope the fullblown disease?

What are the reasons one might develope the disease or not?

I wonder if they will introduce an angle that Loris baby is immune somehow and perhaps its blood would contain an antidote or something?
Speculative!

**ifStatement**

I think the idea is that when you are alive you are a carrier of the disease but it only becomes active once you are dead. Like somehow your immune system can deal with it while your still alive but when you die it's able to take over your brain in the way described at the end of the first season.

**Hulksmash**

I'm pretty sure the angle is that the disease only works on dead tissue. So the idea is that once the body dies the disease then proceeds feed of the dead tissue and reanimates the corpse.

Remember that the disease that causes them to rise is different from the virus of the zombie bite that kills them.

**Ratius**

Remember that the disease that causes them to rise is different from the virus of the zombie bite that kills them.

Ahhhhhh. I see, sorry big thread, havent read it all.

That makes things a lot clearer.

**Hulksmash**

It's a pretty novel idea too. One of the things that set the Kirkman's walking dead apart from Romero. I'm not even sure they have fully figured it out in the comics yet which are much further along.

**gorgon**

In a way, it kinda blends the early Romero "dead rising from graves" zombies and the bite-spread disease zombies seen in more recent genre works.

Regarding the title of the show/comic, I think it also suggests that there's not a lot of difference between the living and the zombies when the living spend their time wandering, killing and consuming in an amoral fashion...

Spoiler:

**KamikazeCanuck**

ifStatement wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Go way back in the thread and you'll see I've been very fair on this matter. I've even brought up the LOTR and The Watchmen and defended their adaptations (I actually prefer the LOTR movies). I just don't don't like this adaptation.

So why do you go on about it? Clearly other people enjoy it and I'm pretty sure everyone gets that you don't because it doesn't reflect the comics so why post about it after every episode?

I've only not liked the last two episodes. I'm free to voice my opinion even if it offends your delicate sensibilites.

**Hulksmash**

Really? I've vastly preferred the last two episodes. It's not like the writing in the comics makes sense when you really analyze it but I finally feel like the show is moving.

Oh and regarding Carl and the pivotal moment in his life I think it was better represented by the show. In the comic he is younger and only really understands he's defending his dad. In the show it's a completely different situation and wouldn't have played well or made sense.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Hulksmash wrote:Really? I've vastly preferred the last two episodes. It's not like the writing in the comics makes sense when you really analyze it but I finally feel like the show is moving.

Oh and regarding Carl and the pivotal moment in his life I think it was better represented by the show. In the comic he is younger and only really understands he's defending his dad. In the show it's a completely different situation and wouldn't have played well or made sense.

How so? His exact words iirc are "It's not like shooting the dead ones Dad" to which Rick replies "It's not supposed to be." In the show they make a big deal about killing Zombies. Like we're supposed to feel bad the Zombies in the barn were killed. They're zombies: whatever. Then they make the group think killing some kid is ok. That's a person. Who cares if Carl shoots Zombie Shane? He's already dead.

**Slarg232**

Are we sure it's Airborne?

I thought for certain they just all had it.

**Lint**

Slarg232 wrote:Are we sure it's Airborne?

I thought for certain they just all had it.

It's airborne - therefore everybody has it.

**KamikazeCanuck**

It's like TB. There's latent and active. Humans all have latent and the zombies have active.

**Hulksmash**

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Hulksmash wrote:Really? I've vastly preferred the last two episodes. It's not like the writing in the comics makes sense when you really analyze it but I finally feel like the show is moving.

Oh and regarding Carl and the pivotal moment in his life I think it was better represented by the show. In the comic he is younger and only really understands he's defending his dad. In the show it's a completely different situation and wouldn't have played well or made sense.

How so? His exact words iirc are "It's not like shooting the dead ones Dad" to which Rick replies "It's not supposed to be." In the show they make a big deal about killing Zombies. Like we're supposed to feel bad the Zombies in the barn were killed. They're zombies: whatever. Then they make the group think killing some kid is ok. That's a person. Who cares if Carl shoots Zombie Shane? He's already dead.

The difference is that Carl hadn't been responsible for the death of someone already in the comics. He's already considers himself responsible for the death of Dale. While he didn't pull the trigger he still feels responsible. He also didn't see his dad nearly kill a human and turn away, showing it was wrong in comic. There are a ton of subtle and not so subtle differences between the comic and show, as it should be, but it gets to the same point.

And the people in the group didn't make a big deal out of shooting the zombies in the barn. Just like in the comic the only people against it were Herchel and his family. Killing zombies has never been a big deal for either of his two father figures, Shane and Rick.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Actually it makes more sense for Carl to kill Shane in the show than the comic. They did all this foreshadowing it seemed. How Carl's inaction is responsible for Dale's death, Shane teaching Carl to shoot, Shane wanting Carl to keep the gun, Shane sticking around for Lori and Carl. It seemed like they were really building it up. I actually wonder if the network interfered because they thought kids killing may be to too controversial.

**Hulksmash**

You do realize that those are all reasons he might not pull the trigger right? I mean outside of the idea of foreshadowing so it "surprises" people those would all seem like reasons a person wouldn't shoot someone.

Especially a child and especially since it was dark and it would have been hard to see which person was which. It's a dark night on a farm with little light outside of stars which makes it pretty darn dark. I know I'd hesitate to shoot if I might hit my dad.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Lighting conditions are irrelevant. It's a story.

**Hulksmash**

Got it, so you're just upset it didn't happen just like the book even though the set-up and story have changed significantly. It doesn't matter if what happened in the show makes sense form the perspective of that story, you're mad because it doesn't happen like in the other story that we haven't been following since pretty much episode 2-3 of season 1.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Hulksmash wrote:Got it, so you're just upset it didn't happen just like the book even though the set-up and story have changed significantly. It doesn't matter if what happened in the show makes sense form the perspective of that story, you're mad because it doesn't happen like in the other story that we haven't been following since pretty much episode 2-3 of season 1.

As I said, it makes more sense in the TV show. A little irony goes a long way. I'm not mad, just disapointed. The moment where Carl kills Shane is really the only thing I want from the show. They can change everything else as far as I'm concerned. Go ahead and kill Rick at this point. Just think the one scene was a seminal moment in the story that they changed for no particular reason.

**KingCracker**

Getting upset that the show doesnt mesh perfectly with the comic, is like getting upset that the StarWars movies are as different as they are from their fan fics.

And yes, finally fething moving, this show is picking up steam again. I hate to say it, but Im thinking Im glad they canned Frank Darabont, the guy was writing this show into a corner that I wasnt enjoying at all

**KamikazeCanuck**

KingCracker wrote:Getting upset that the show doesnt mesh perfectly with the comic, is like getting upset that the StarWars movies are as different as they are from their fan fics.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

The moment where Carl kills Shane is really the only thing I want from the show. They can change everything else as far as I'm concerned. Go ahead and kill Rick at this point. Just think the one scene was a seminal moment in the story that they changed for no particular reason.

**KingCracker**

Hey I can quote random bits to!

That's the thing. This show has gone off the rails for me. This has become the anti-comic.

So weird, its creepy inddit?

**Ahtman**

Inside a writers meeting:

Writer A: We need X to wonder off alone so he can get attacked. Just have him go off by himself far from everyone.

Writer B: Ok. What reason are we going to come up with to get him out there? X hasn't been shown to be so stupid as to wonder off alone in the dark.

Writer A: Eh, no one will notice, just write it.

**KamikazeCanuck**

KingCracker wrote:Hey I can quote random bits to!

That's the thing. This show has gone off the rails for me. This has become the anti-comic.

So weird, its creepy inddit?

Yes those are thematic changes I didn't care for. Event-wise everything is different anyway since episode one. I just think this last change also has a big change to the theme too. I don't care what happens as long as it still feels like the walking dead.

**KingCracker**

Ahtman wrote:Inside a writers meeting:

Writer A: We need X to wonder off alone so he can get attacked. Just have him go off by himself far from everyone.

Writer B: Ok. What reason are we going to come up with to get him out there? X hasn't been shown to be so stupid as to wonder off alone in the dark.

Writer A: Eh, no one will notice, just write it.

Thats pretty much the truth of it all

Writer A: Ok how will we get X to run into a giant mass of zombies?
Writer B: Hmmm, thats tricky....he is a clever one
Writer A: yea he is.....
Writer C: OH! Lets have a helicopter fly over head, this way X gets distracted chasing it down, and doesnt see or hear the ocean of zombies!
Writer A: Oh I like that!
Writer B: I dunno.....how could X chase down a helicopter?
Janitor : He could attempt it on a horse
Writers ABC: YES!