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Ok, so the elongated torso and stubby legs was at least a direct match for the concept art... it's just a bad concept, rather than bad execution, then

insaniak wrote:Ok, so the elongated torso and stubby legs was at least a direct match for the concept art... it's just a bad concept, rather than bad execution, then

Look at the armor again, that groin plate is whats giving the impression he's got tiny legs. If you look where his belt is, it's at about the right level. I think it's supposed to be an elongated plate to guard the groin area. Reminds me almost of a catcher's chest plate or the heavy vest bomb defusal teams wear.

Also, don't modern bulletproof vests that the US marine corps wear have a long groin plate that comes down similar to this one?

That said, I could be completely wrong, but that's what it looks like to me. But I love the panzer grenadiers, so take everything I say with a shakerfull of salt

MrMoustaffa wrote:
Also, don't modern bulletproof vests that the US marine corps wear have a long groin plate that comes down similar to this one?

The US Military does indeed have long groin plates that are commonly used by both the Army and Marines

In response to the long neck and sloping shoulders comment here's a quick photoshop job that dropped the head and raised the arms. it is rather poorly done but i think it slightly improves the heft of the model. A larger pack like the concept art would be nice but i think these models have promise. (please please please ignore the waste area. rather than try to rebuild the lost armour and belt details i just smudged the grey about to fill.)

wana10 wrote:In response to the long neck and sloping shoulders comment here's a quick photoshop job that dropped the head and raised the arms. it is rather poorly done but i think it slightly improves the heft of the model. A larger pack like the concept art would be nice but i think these models have promise. (please please please ignore the waste area. rather than try to rebuild the lost armour and belt details i just smudged the grey about to fill.)

That should be easy for a modeler to do, at least to raise the arms. As for the added bulk around the collar, that's what Greenstuff is for I guess.

Of course, one thing to think about, these guys are not "heroic" scale. They are meant to be more "realistic" in scale, which makes for much more slender models. Granted, if they were gonna go chunky on any model, it should have been this one. I would have loved bulkier grenadiers to give them a more imposing stance compared to the marines

It looks like you wont even need the green stuff. just shave the bottom of them neck so it sits a little deeper in the socket.

I thinking of using the marines as my Imperial Guardsmen, and to keep the aesthetics the same, use the Hardsuits as Marine Allies, if their mounted on 25mm bases, if their mounted larger then no go,

The only thing I don't like is that pointing arm on the Panzergrenadier.

MrMoustaffa wrote:Look at the armor again, that groin plate is whats giving the impression he's got tiny legs. If you look where his belt is, it's at about the right level. I think it's supposed to be an elongated plate to guard the groin area. Reminds me almost of a catcher's chest plate or the heavy vest bomb defusal teams wear.

Wht makes it look wrong is that the pants go into the bottom of that groin plate. If it's supposed to be an elongated plate that protrudes below his actual groin (which introduces whole levels of impracticality as a combat uniform) the pants would still be following his legs. As it is, he's either got very short legs, or he's wearing hip-hop pants.

Also, don't modern bulletproof vests that the US marine corps wear have a long groin plate that comes down similar to this one?

Some do, yes. But it's a flap hanging down the front, rather than something incorporated into their pants that pushes them halfway down their thighs.

insaniak wrote:

MrMoustaffa wrote:Look at the armor again, that groin plate is whats giving the impression he's got tiny legs. If you look where his belt is, it's at about the right level. I think it's supposed to be an elongated plate to guard the groin area. Reminds me almost of a catcher's chest plate or the heavy vest bomb defusal teams wear.

Wht makes it look wrong is that the pants go into the bottom of that groin plate. If it's supposed to be an elongated plate that protrudes below his actual groin (which introduces whole levels of impracticality as a combat uniform) the pants would still be following his legs. As it is, he's either got very short legs, or he's wearing hip-hop pants.

Also, don't modern bulletproof vests that the US marine corps wear have a long groin plate that comes down similar to this one?

Some do, yes. But it's a flap hanging down the front, rather than something incorporated into their pants that pushes them halfway down their thighs.

Ah, good catch, didn't notice that

And yeah brother SRM, I don't think they've ever been able to figure out how to do a pointing arm. The greatcoat troopers back when they had WGF had arms just like these and I hated them just as much as the pointing arm on the germans Oh well, at least everything else looks good.

I am likely to put mine together like Wana10 has shown. Shouldn't be too difficult.

Really want some of their rifles and carbines separately though, so I can get a uniformity of look across my army.

Fenriswulf wrote:I am likely to put mine together like Wana10 has shown. Shouldn't be too difficult.

Really want some of their rifles and carbines separately though, so I can get a uniformity of look across my army.

You might be in luck, I think one of the owners mentioned there would be seperate spare rifles and weapons. Can't remember where I saw that though

If they come in at the same price per model as the marines, I think they're good in terms of quality for the money.

frozenwastes wrote:If they come in at the same price per model as the marines, I think they're good in terms of quality for the money.

They're slightly more since they're not hard plastic

I think you get 18 instead of 24

The Germans will be $29.99 for 20. Also, the hardsuits are mounted on 40mm bases; they should be a bit bigger than a Space Marine, based on a size comparison between a Defiance marine and Space Marine. The hardsuits should be properly scaled with the marines.

The arm that is pointing is far, far too long.

Saxon wrote:The arm that is pointing is far, far too long.

I'm not sure if it's too long or not, but why oh why did they have to go with the stupid looking thumbs up pointing pose. It looked awkward and terrible on WF Greatcoats and it looks terrible here.

I really want to like these guys and I kind of do, but I think alot of folks are going to be wanting to see the final sprues on these.

And since Tony got a tripod, those pictures will look better and be very informative.

The avalanche of news coming from them makes me very hopeful. If they do have female heads in the hardsuit sprues, this will make me very happy.

It's not like Cadians look great in comparison.

Xeno wrote:The Germans will be $29.99 for 20. Also, the hardsuits are mounted on 40mm bases; they should be a bit bigger than a Space Marine, based on a size comparison between a Defiance marine and Space Marine. The hardsuits should be properly scaled with the marines.

I think I'm going to have the local store bring me in a box-- they were able to bring in the marines, so they'll probably be able to bring these in as well.

For $1.50 a miniature, they are really, really solid. Current local retail for Cadians come out to about $3.50 a miniature. So less than half the price, and a way, way less cartoony aesthetic.

And if I end up not liking the groin plate being so long, that's an easy conversion to remove it.

frozenwastes wrote:
And if I end up not liking the groin plate being so long, that's an easy conversion to remove it.

L'Chaim!

But I thought this conversion was now illegal in Germany?

Question: Why do the rules keep freezing when I try to download them?

Their site is not, I think, the most optimized. I keep waiting a long time for images to load or to bounce from page to page. I think you just have to be patient. Or PM me your email so I can send them to you,

frozenwastes wrote:For $1.50 a miniature, they are really, really solid. Current local retail for Cadians come out to about $3.50 a miniature. So less than half the price, and a way, way less cartoony aesthetic.

And if I end up not liking the groin plate being so long, that's an easy conversion to remove it.

The marines were too much work to salvage regardless of price but these guys will look decent once the Fedayeen helmets and hipster crotches are fixed, so they're a decent proposition. The hardsuits similarly will need their torsos de-bloated and armholes de-distended at minimum but seem fair value in spite of that.

Mathieu Raymond wrote:Their site is not, I think, the most optimized. I keep waiting a long time for images to load or to bounce from page to page. I think you just have to be patient. Or PM me your email so I can send them to you,

Having looked at their site code, that is, I think, a gross understatement. But they're hardly unique in having problems with PDFs not loading properly directly into web browsers. When it happens, just right-click and choose "Save link as..." then open that once it downloads.

I was trying to be polite, I'm sure they have bigger fish to fry than make the most exquisite site in existence.

Maybe they listened to some of the criticism that said the pants looked too tight to allow for ease of movement.

Concerning the hardsuit, they look pretty much like the concept art, it is the first time I hear someone looking for a way to slim them down. Wouldn't they look like terminators at this point?

That guy on the ground clearly looks like he has the top part of a Darth Vader helmet on...

Well good old Sadam liked the look of the Empire so much he ordered uniforms for his Fedayeen to match (I kid you not)

Film kit inspiring the real thing

I did not believe it, I actually had to research it. I'm... shocked...

Welcome to the world of mad dictators, what whimsy would you like to indulge today?

I'm still sad he didn't fall in love with the Ewoks

Just imagine having to wear an Ewok suit while in combat

priceless

Mathieu Raymond wrote:Concerning the hardsuit, they look pretty much like the concept art, it is the first time I hear someone looking for a way to slim them down. Wouldn't they look like terminators at this point?

The original concept art was nice and sleek. The reference orthographics made concessions to realism by adding some bulk and separating the wearer's upper arms from the suit's. The renders make it positively obese, with a gigantic fat roll around its waist, and the wearer's arms have been dislocated to shove them back fully inside the suit arms - but the enlarged armholes remain. There are a bunch of lesser issues such as the height of the head ridge and the electric breadknives of doom but those are my major complaints.

It looked to me that it is more driven than worn.