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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Well. We don’t know what new units they might be getting. Or what variants might be added to existing units.
Their ‘Holy Trinity’ is largely down to their original 2nd Ed release. And the range has barely been touched since then,
Indeed, if memory serves, they lost the Fraetaris Militia
They got them back in WD, only to lose them again later. GW giveith... GW taketh away... (After you spend $$ and hours converting the unit!)
As for 'unseen' even rereleasing the existing range will be a significant number of kits, 2-3 infantry, 2-3 rhino kits, penitent walker, 2-3 blister characters. I can't imagine them skipping Exorsists or whatever in favor of a new sisters flier or other new toy.
I could be wrong of course...
2019/06/10 21:47:58
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] Heavy Weapons pg 23
Thanks for posting the good news. Anyone got a guess in the price? Since it's coming in the fancy box and not a clamshell, my guess would be around $35 like t he Commissar Raine mini.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Well. We don’t know what new units they might be getting. Or what variants might be added to existing units.
Their ‘Holy Trinity’ is largely down to their original 2nd Ed release. And the range has barely been touched since then,
Indeed, if memory serves, they lost the Fraetaris Militia
They got them back in WD, only to lose them again later. GW giveith... GW taketh away... (After you spend $$ and hours converting the unit!)
As for 'unseen' even rereleasing the existing range will be a significant number of kits, 2-3 infantry, 2-3 rhino kits, penitent walker, 2-3 blister characters. I can't imagine them skipping Exorsists or whatever in favor of a new sisters flier or other new toy.
I could be wrong of course...
Why would they need 2-3 rhino kits? 1 kit makes all 3 of our vehicles now.
You have 1 kit for foot infantry, 1 kit for for rhino vehicles, 1 kit for Jump infantry 1 kit for repentia and 1 kit for penitent engines. That's less than DG got and they didn't even need an entire refresh. Not to mention that making some of them dual kits would be new option right off the bat.
Not really. You could do the entire army in 4 kits and some clampacks. A deathguard size release would be enough for a half dozen new characters and a handful of new vehicles.
They will ABSOLUTELY have new units because they pretty much have to. If they come out with nothing new there will be no reason for new players to start the army (it certainly won't be for rules) and there will be no reason for grognards to replace their metals unless they just desperately want new plastics. Not to mention that buying more than about 2500pts total EVER would be largely pointless as every playable/collectable model is covered by that range.
They'll be left with collectors, allied detachments, and older players slowly replacing their stuff. With all the hype and investment they're putting in this releasr, that would be massively disappointing.
Random overpriced characters struck me as a given. Don't care.
As to the rest, I really disagree. New players have always started new armies when new kits come out, and GW makes loads of cash from grognards replacing metals (or, say, paints) with shiny new ones.
I foresee another 'stock issue' sales run, even if they do the bare minimum + characters.
They've been doing rather well with it for the last couple years.
1 infantry kit is absolutely not going to cover all the weapon options, signifiers and assorted gubbins.
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For Rhino kits (I should have said Rhino-sized kits) I figure a Rhino, an Exorcist and an Incinerator. Maybe 2 of them will be combined. Maybe the Supprossor will be thrown in with one of them.
Yodhrin wrote: ... they see it as excuses for ... objectification.
The thing is, there not wrong on this point, they just don't get the reasons why and assume it's either A). inherently bad and B). somehow only directed at women. The design of lots of medieval armour types were meant to enhance the areas of the male body that were seen as desirable (again, codpiece!).
You can bet that had women entered into combat in any significant number that we would have seen similar aesthetic emphasis on their armour.
Why do you and Yodhrin keep mistaking Dakka for 4chan? You know the "they" you speak of are here--in this thread right. <- Note the lack of question mark.
I have long maintained that all the minis are in universe fictional representations of their actual units as viewed through the lens of the Imperium, much like the Codexes and such. You're not playing Space Marices but the Imperium Cinematic Universe version of Marines, Guard and Sisters.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: For Rhino kits (I should have said Rhino-sized kits) I figure a Rhino, an Exorcist and an Incinerator. Maybe 2 of them will be combined. Maybe the Supprossor will be thrown in with one of them.
The exorcist and immolator are basically the same kit at the moment. It'd be a half a sprue difference between them in plastic (just the organ). The Repressor is forgeworld and unlikely to be reproduced here.
If they were just making a normal army release they could split them into 3 kits. For the new SoB line, they're most likely looking to pack as much content in as they can. That means it's likely they'll put all 3 vehicles into the same kit.
Plus, it's very GW to make you buy and exorcist kit to build a rhino.
2019/06/11 09:12:29
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] Heavy Weapons pg 23
With three vehicles to remake, let's not forget the option to make two dual kits (Rhino/Immolator and Exorcist/whatever) and get a new unit that way. That way the vehicles without significant extra parts are in one box and GW avoids doing the GW thing and just does the other GW thing and asks for a stupid high price for no extra benefit, while asking an extra stupid high price for the organ tank and shrine tank dual kit.
The way I think of it is that GW doesn't consider kit allocation their highest priority, so I don't find the idea that a redone Sisters range is already big enough to rule out new units all that realistic. I don't think GW can actually resist making new stuff for Sisters, because they want to add novelty appeal to the range while they're at it to get as much out of the investment as possible. I don't know if it will be much, or good, or strictly Sisters and not just Ecclesiarchy at large, but the idea that GW makes Sisters one of their biggest and certainly longest running marketing campaigns just to then show up with minimum effort (on the models, the rules will of course be trash ) strikes me as unlikely.
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Why is the rum always gone?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: For Rhino kits (I should have said Rhino-sized kits) I figure a Rhino, an Exorcist and an Incinerator. Maybe 2 of them will be combined. Maybe the Supprossor will be thrown in with one of them.
The exorcist and immolator are basically the same kit at the moment. It'd be a half a sprue difference between them in plastic (just the organ). The Repressor is forgeworld and unlikely to be reproduced here.
If fw would still make the repressor I would agree with this, but fw stopped making it
Yodhrin wrote: ... they see it as excuses for ... objectification.
The thing is, there not wrong on this point, they just don't get the reasons why and assume it's either A). inherently bad and B). somehow only directed at women. The design of lots of medieval armour types were meant to enhance the areas of the male body that were seen as desirable (again, codpiece!).
You can bet that had women entered into combat in any significant number that we would have seen similar aesthetic emphasis on their armour.
Why do you and Yodhrin keep mistaking Dakka for 4chan? You know the "they" you speak of are here--in this thread right. <- Note the lack of question mark.
I have long maintained that all the minis are in universe fictional representations of their actual units as viewed through the lens of the Imperium, much like the Codexes and such. You're not playing Space Marices but the Imperium Cinematic Universe version of Marines, Guard and Sisters.
I think realistically from a PR standpoint the perfect opportunity for GW to score free Attention Points is to do something to piss off the 4chan react-o-sphere.
I'm guessing that'll be redesigned repentia from a model that's basically a "naughty nuns" joke to a super badass strong independent repentia that dont need no man. All they need to do is mention a Drastic Redesign and they'll get plenty of free publicity, and that unit is the obvious choice.
Though I am amused that the effects of living in the harsh wilderness of the imperium as a hermit if you're a man is this: https://i.redd.it/f5nlqah0da511.jpg
(You can tell she's been starving in the wilderness for weeks because there's a scratch on her thigh!
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2019/06/11 11:49:54
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] Heavy Weapons pg 23
OK, I think I'm not following this discussion anymore. Are you saying a lone shotgun preacher and a penitent mob should have the same visual design even though there is no functional overlap between the two? I'm confused as to the point you're trying to make.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
For me Repentia are like old dark BDSM eldar Mandrakes.
Yeah, maybe the concept can be improved, but is it worth it?
Dark ronin elf demons are just phenomenal, and I trust GW to do something amazing with Repentia wathever they chose to do.
If they end up like a bunch of Pious Vorne-like cultist Ill love them.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
Geifer wrote: OK, I think I'm not following this discussion anymore. Are you saying a lone shotgun preacher and a penitent mob should have the same visual design even though there is no functional overlap between the two? I'm confused as to the point you're trying to make.
Yep, definitely. That is 100% my point - all lone shotgun preachers should have the same visual design as all penitent mobs! I'm certainly not noting that the way companies have been purposefully poking the people who make a living reacting publicly to redesigns that reduce the bewbage for free publicity, and saying they'll probably pick Repentia as the unit to do that with. Because their current design is exactly as lazy as the 3rd ed DE mandrakes.
Galas wrote: Dark ronin elf demons are just phenomenal, and I trust GW to do something amazing with Repentia wathever they chose to do.
I don't.
They'll feth it up.
Not even a question.
Psst. The fact that you've already formed an opinion on how Bad the Thing will be before you even know what it is or even if it actually exists is probably why companies have gone from marketing to your demographic to just mining your outrage for free publicity.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
2019/06/11 12:48:58
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] Heavy Weapons pg 23
I see. I think. Well, I'm not paying attention to the marketing strategies of the wider business world so I don't have a clue why this kind of thing is supposed to be a good idea, but is that something GW actually does?
They seem to rely on overwhelming positivity on the corporate side and only point towards community reactions when these align with their own messages, such as citing well known painters speaking well of Contrast to go with a recent example. Calculated stirring of community outrage is not something I associate with GW.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
What I can say about GW and 8chan edgelords and reactionaries is this: during the Slaanesh release, someone posted a picture of a flamboyant drag queen. A bunch of people made disparaging comment under it. All those comments were quietly removed, almost sure it was by GW staff.
So GW certainly don't want to cater to those people, but don't really want to talk to or about them either, in my opinion.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: What I can say about GW and 8chan edgelords and reactionaries is this: during the Slaanesh release, someone posted a picture of a flamboyant drag queen. A bunch of people made disparaging comment under it. All those comments were quietly removed, almost sure it was by GW staff.
So GW certainly don't want to cater to those people, but don't really want to talk to or about them either, in my opinion.
which is proably the best way to approuch it. geek communities seem to have a fairly vocal toxic minority who you're best off not feeding
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
GW confirmed on Facebook that no special rules for Amalia Novena, just a copy of the Beta codex rules.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2019/06/24 16:19:12
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] Heavy Weapons pg 23
Love the model and I don't even play SOB. I don't have a 3d printer either but I was playing around this weekend with a 3d model available for free that mimics that pose converting her to various RPG character levels. Bring on the nuns with guns!
We Munch for Macragge! FOR THE EMPRUH! Cheesesticks and Humus!
2019/06/25 07:12:03
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] Heavy Weapons pg 23
Took the girls to an event this weekend gone and liked using them. Tbh new figures are nice, but we need some new long range firepower which is less random than the Exorcist, fingers crossed for new units.
the_scotsman wrote: I think realistically from a PR standpoint the perfect opportunity for GW to score free Attention Points is to do something to piss off the 4chan react-o-sphere.
I mean, they've already got them at the moralistic hand wringing over potential moralistic hand wringing stage. I'm not sure what other than releasing a model they're going to have to do. Either it'll look too manly, or too revealing, or someone will take issue with how it's anything other than a copy of the old designs. GW doesn't really have to do anything to get free attention.
I'm hoping they'll look either serene or psychotic, if they manage both I'm in for double.Beyond that... they're penitents there's a wide variety of weirdness you can easily run with.
Thargrim wrote: As much as I like that model, GW still somehow managed to make me tired of seeing and hearing about it.
I was about to post “same here” because I totally agree with the second part of your sentence but then it occurred to me that I don't even like the model, really. I like the aesthetics of the model’s design — i.e., I like that a Sister of Battle looks like a Sister of Battle. but I don't want a diorama or a statue, I want a gaming miniatures. Why Sisters cant have normal release is really a puzzle.
Thargrim wrote: As much as I like that model, GW still somehow managed to make me tired of seeing and hearing about it.
I was about to post “same here” because I totally agree with the second part of your sentence but then it occurred to me that I don't even like the model, really. I like the aesthetics of the model’s design — i.e., I like that a Sister of Battle looks like a Sister of Battle. but I don't want a diorama or a statue, I want a gaming miniatures. Why Sisters cant have normal release is really a puzzle.
This is just extra to the normal release that’s coming. Seems an odd thing to gripe about an optional early extra model.
Thargrim wrote: As much as I like that model, GW still somehow managed to make me tired of seeing and hearing about it.
I was about to post “same here” because I totally agree with the second part of your sentence but then it occurred to me that I don't even like the model, really. I like the aesthetics of the model’s design — i.e., I like that a Sister of Battle looks like a Sister of Battle. but I don't want a diorama or a statue, I want a gaming miniatures. Why Sisters cant have normal release is really a puzzle.
This is just extra to the normal release that’s coming. Seems an odd thing to gripe about an optional early extra model.
You have to see that Sister Iveseenyoubefore has the same problem as Celestine and Veridyan. Special edition models of all descriptions are fine if they actually have an army to go with, but the longstanding Sisters problem is the complete lack of an up to date model range for the shiny special model to go with.
I'll buy her (I've had my local store reserve one for me already), not the least because she's based on my favorite Sisters artwork, and I have no problem waiting for the army release that GW has officially announced and is therefore sure to happen, but no amount of positivity about this model will make that one glaring problem go away that Sisters have had for the past fifteen years. Sisters need a model range to allow you to build an army. Nothing that happens until then is of much consequence, no matter how pretty or hyped up.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Thargrim wrote: As much as I like that model, GW still somehow managed to make me tired of seeing and hearing about it.
I was about to post “same here” because I totally agree with the second part of your sentence but then it occurred to me that I don't even like the model, really. I like the aesthetics of the model’s design — i.e., I like that a Sister of Battle looks like a Sister of Battle. but I don't want a diorama or a statue, I want a gaming miniatures. Why Sisters cant have normal release is really a puzzle.
This is just extra to the normal release that’s coming. Seems an odd thing to gripe about an optional early extra model.
You have to see that Sister Iveseenyoubefore has the same problem as Celestine and Veridyan. Special edition models of all descriptions are fine if they actually have an army to go with, but the longstanding Sisters problem is the complete lack of an up to date model range for the shiny special model to go with.
I'll buy her (I've had my local store reserve one for me already), not the least because she's based on my favorite Sisters artwork, and I have no problem waiting for the army release that GW has officially announced and is therefore sure to happen, but no amount of positivity about this model will make that one glaring problem go away that Sisters have had for the past fifteen years. Sisters need a model range to allow you to build an army. Nothing that happens until then is of much consequence, no matter how pretty or hyped up.
Sisters do have a model range it's had one for years and it's available right now at GW.com
2019/06/25 20:22:02
Subject: Re:[Adepta Sororitas] Heavy Weapons pg 23
) strikes me as unlikely.
