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 Galas wrote:
Is just me or the skeleton character is... extremely small in that comparison? Compared with the witch hunter for example. Like, the top of his skulls reachs the witchhunter eyes and hes on TOP of a rock.

Looks ok to me. Feet are close to same height on both. Looks like the Skeleton is almost same height obverall. And if not, witch hunter could just be a tall guy.

Not to mention that Radukar is perched on rubble as well, and considerably shorter than the actual ogor used for comparison.

Maybe they'll reveal he's a half-ogor? Get's the brawns of an ogor, but with the brain and cunning of a man?

I'm just curious to known if vampirism can cure ogor-lish (ogor speak), or he was never one in the fist place.

Dread Master wrote:
Not to mention that Radukar is perched on rubble as well, and considerably shorter than the actual ogor used for comparison.

And yet, if you actually watch the trailer that shows things on the gameboard...he's actually a bit taller even discounting the fairly small piece of rubble he's on.

Yes, the way he's drawn in the trailer at 0:33 makes it seems like he's much bigger than the ogors. But when looking at 0:49 in that same trailer he suddenly looks tiny (wonky angles and all, though he is closer).

I wonder if WHC will pick up on the speculation and give a final answer one way or another in an upcoming article?

I'm not even talking about the drawings. There's a bit with him, the Kurnothi, and another.

I dunno, to me it just looks like both him and the (other?) ogors are on 40mm bases. Looking at 0:48 and 0:49 and comparing the base size to the heroes' (which I'm assuming is 32's).

If they're on the same size base then the wolf looks stockier but the ogors significantly taller IMO. I could be wrong but that's the impression I got.

Yeah, all my eggs are in the not an ogor basket. Especially after the comparison pic. No mention of it being the case in any of the fluff, or articles. And sorry, but even in the mortal realms, humanity is the default race, so they wouldn’t mention that he had been human. It’s only worth noting when a character isn’t human.

PiñaColada wrote:
I dunno, to me it just looks like both him and the (other?) ogors are on 40mm bases. Looking at 0:48 and 0:49 and comparing the base size to the heroes' (which I'm assuming is 32's).

If they're on the same size base then the wolf looks stockier but the ogors significantly taller IMO. I could be wrong but that's the impression I got.

This is, IMO, the problem with just trying to guesstimate based off bases.

Remember that 50mm and 28mm bases do exist.


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Dread Master wrote:
Yeah, all my eggs are in the not an ogor basket. Especially after the comparison pic. No mention of it being the case in any of the fluff, or articles. And sorry, but even in the mortal realms, humanity is the default race, so they wouldn’t mention that he had been human. It’s only worth noting when a character isn’t human.

What comparison pic? The one that just took a bunch of images and stuck them next to each other with zero actual reference points?

This kind of thing is less helpful than most people who post them think they're being. It makes the big vargthingy look like it's maybe Ogor sized compared to everyone else being roughly the same size. We know the Kurnothi is fairly tall from the actual shots of her with models...and Radukar is taller/on par with her.

Really crappy pic... but if you look at the everything picture on the Warhammer community site... the bad ogors look significantly taller than the hero ogor too.

 Smokestack wrote:
Really crappy pic... but if you look at the everything picture on the Warhammer community site... the bad ogors look significantly taller than the hero ogor too.

Well, not really taller. They're just standing straight while he's crouched.

If the boss of a Warhammer game is an ogor he's going to be a bigger ogor, not smaller. It's pretty clear that the hosts got it wrong. They were given an unusual piece of info (a human vampire leading ogors) which was awkward because they were busy talking about 40k at the time.

I'm still fairly certain they're both on 40mm bases as I really don't see how it could be any other base size, place a 50mm next to a 32 (or 28) and it absolutely dwarfs it.

There's just no way that Holdenstock is on a 40mm base so looking at 0:49 that means that Radukar is. The difference isn't stark enough to be a 50mm base. Same thing at 0:48, the Ogor is on a noticeably larger base than Qulathis. A bigger difference than 28->32 so it can't really be anything else IMO.

It just means they're built really different though, one's pretty tall and lanky whereas the other one is solid as a brick

JSG wrote:
If the boss of a Warhammer game is an ogor he's going to be a bigger ogor, not smaller. It's pretty clear that the hosts got it wrong. They were given an unusual piece of info (a human vampire leading ogors) which was awkward because they were busy talking about 40k at the time.

Wut? The preview on Saturday was AoS only. They dropped the info at 1hr28min in. They get info directly from the design team/lore team.

 Galas wrote:
Is just me or the skeleton character is... extremely small in that comparison? Compared with the witch hunter for example. Like, the top of his skulls reachs the witchhunter eyes and hes on TOP of a rock.

Humans are taller than their skeletons (by a small bit) so i guess in 28mm scale it makes sense.

Alongside a horde of ogors bound to his service

This is such a strange statement for me if he happens to be an Ogor himself, wouldn't he just lead the Ogors if he was one himself, rather than 'bounding them to his service' which lets face it, is a bit of a nicer way of saying enslaved to him.

Cronch wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Is just me or the skeleton character is... extremely small in that comparison? Compared with the witch hunter for example. Like, the top of his skulls reachs the witchhunter eyes and hes on TOP of a rock.

Humans are taller than their skeletons (by a small bit) so i guess in 28mm scale it makes sense.

The skeletons legs are spaced far apart which lowers their height. Looks just about right to me, even taking in the size of the stones he is on.

 Kanluwen wrote:

JSG wrote:
If the boss of a Warhammer game is an ogor he's going to be a bigger ogor, not smaller. It's pretty clear that the hosts got it wrong. They were given an unusual piece of info (a human vampire leading ogors) which was awkward because they were busy talking about 40k at the time.

Wut? The preview on Saturday was AoS only. They dropped the info at 1hr28min in. They get info directly from the design team/lore team.

Pre AoS stream was "Here's my DA army and Eddies been working on his Orks!". Every reveal was "This would look great as a <insert 40k unit here>". Adam briefly mentioned a Stormcast army in between waxing lyrical about Dark Angels. AoS clearly isn't their bag and they made a mistake.

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Alongside a horde of ogors bound to his service

This is such a strange statement for me if he happens to be an Ogor himself, wouldn't he just lead the Ogors if he was one himself, rather than 'bounding them to his service' which lets face it, is a bit of a nicer way of saying enslaved to him.

So, I am in the camp who believes he is an ogor... but this is a compelling argument.

 Smokestack wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Alongside a horde of ogors bound to his service

This is such a strange statement for me if he happens to be an Ogor himself, wouldn't he just lead the Ogors if he was one himself, rather than 'bounding them to his service' which lets face it, is a bit of a nicer way of saying enslaved to him.

So, I am in the camp who believes he is an ogor... but this is a compelling argument.

I really liked the idea of him being an Ogor too but I guess he is not

JSG wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

JSG wrote:
If the boss of a Warhammer game is an ogor he's going to be a bigger ogor, not smaller. It's pretty clear that the hosts got it wrong. They were given an unusual piece of info (a human vampire leading ogors) which was awkward because they were busy talking about 40k at the time.

Wut? The preview on Saturday was AoS only. They dropped the info at 1hr28min in. They get info directly from the design team/lore team.

Pre AoS stream was "Here's my DA army and Eddies been working on his Orks!". Every reveal was "This would look great as a <insert 40k unit here>". Adam briefly mentioned a Stormcast army in between waxing lyrical about Dark Angels. AoS clearly isn't their bag and they made a mistake.

Because they were talking about what they're currently working on...? Dark Angels just came out not long ago, and Troke's a well-known Dark Angels fan. Eddie Eccles is well-known for his love of Orks.

They've been the hosts of basically all of these online previews. They known their stuff, but when we're talking about these previews...they have "scripts" effectively that they read off of. The notes are from the design studio and the lore writers.


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 straken619 wrote:

 Smokestack wrote:

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Alongside a horde of ogors bound to his service

This is such a strange statement for me if he happens to be an Ogor himself, wouldn't he just lead the Ogors if he was one himself, rather than 'bounding them to his service' which lets face it, is a bit of a nicer way of saying enslaved to him.

So, I am in the camp who believes he is an ogor... but this is a compelling argument.

I really liked the idea of him being an Ogor too but I guess he is not

Note again that the Facebook page is run by the Customer Service team, not the Warhammer Community team.

As for the statement of Ogors "bound to his service"...vampires aren't known for having Ogors in their service.
We'll have to wait and see for the final note.

Nice sidestep of the *see an AoS minis*... "That'd make a great X in 40k!" that happened with literally every reveal. I don't know why you want to die on this hill, their own social media has said they were wrong twice now.

I guess you could interpret the "bounding" part to refer to them as already having died. He could have raised the corpses of ogors and bound them to his service, compared to just enslaving living ones. Except for trying to appear less-hostile, I don't see why he wouldn't have already had zombies ogors before the Necroquake.

I am leaning away from him being an ogor now, but the Hero Ogor wanting to kill him to be "da strongest ogor in Shyish" would have been a good story hook for him.

I honestly can't wait for this to drop. I'm slowly losing the manic desire to purchase it, but I want to buy a lot of the models second-hand. Fingers crossed that the Death Wizard isn't highly sought after and I can pick a dozen of him up super cheap

Yeah, and "their own social media" has repeatedly said that there are no shields in the Wild Rider kit hence why the Cities of Sigmar book didn't have rules for them. (Spoiler: they're on the sprue. they're not part of the Sisters of the Thorn either, it's literally just for the Wild Riders)

Customer service runs the FB pages, last time I inquired about it. Community team runs the community page.

Nice sidestep of the whole "they opened the show talking about DA and Orks" bit you started with. Troke's known more for his ties to the LOTR thing than 40k at this point, and Eccles is a relatively new staffer to be a 'face'. He used to work on the Regimental Standard and the tech side of things.

As a note: You understand though that you're only seeing the video side of things right? They respond to comments from the chat--of which huge chunks are always talking about how to use things in different games.

I can't sidestep my own bit. You're just coping now.

This has been resolved to my satisfaction. The whole “looks like a duck, quacks like a duck”thing. The customer service post just confirms what my eyes already told me.

 Kanluwen wrote:

As for the statement of Ogors "bound to his service"...vampires aren't known for having Ogors in their service.
We'll have to wait and see for the final note.

Nothing in his lore on the website states he's an ogor. His looks and proportions aren't particularly orgish (he's basically a space-marine body-wise), he's shorter than the ogors in the box it seems, and the FB community team said he's not an ogor.
Vs
Presenter on livestream saying he's an ogor once.


but I suppose it is possible he's a short, lean ogor with un-ogor facial features, and him being the first non-human vampire in the lore (that I know of?) isn't big enough deal to mention it anywhere in writing...

I was kind of hoping for a half-ogor explanation... personally. I dont know why, but liked the idea that he was.

Kanluwen is bizarrely invested in this.

The dwarf and wolf guy are on nearly the exact same plane in this picture. Wolf guy is about a dwarf and 1/2 or 3/4 tall. His hands and head are only slightly larger than the dwarfs. If he's an Ogre, he's the smallest one ever made in plastic.