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I'd say the picture indicates the starter set, considering that it's DA vs CSM in both artwork and the set.

Nothing from Gamesday today?

I was hoping there would be a slight chance of something/anything.

TalonZahn wrote:Nothing from Gamesday today?

I was hoping there would be a slight chance of something/anything.

Heh, they're all probably too tired Anyways, isn't Gamesday reputed for having Forgeworld and Black Library stuff being shown (FW announced Horus Heresy line coming), and Games Workshop being tight-lipped?

Haven't been keeping up with this thread so if this has been posted already then sorry guys!

But if you all go to page 387 of the new rulebook, I believe there are the new Khorne Bezerker models in that picture fighting Imperial Fists marines...

Iranna.

Nope, as far as I can see, those are regular zerkers.

Cerebrium wrote:Nope, as far as I can see, those are regular zerkers.

Apart from the big two-handed Chainaxes and lack of massive stubby pistols?

Iranna.

The 2-handed chainaxe is almost definetly a conversion, the pistols don't look any different, and their armour is exactly the same, down to the details.

Looks a bit too clean to be a coversion if you ask me, the pistols are much slimmer than the current ones are. Also, there's a guy with a completely bare arm in the middle and a guy at the front pointing at the enemy.

I would still say that these are the new models; a kit doesn't need a radical overhaul.

Iranna.

I doubt they'd get a new plastic kit regardless of how old the current one is, if any cult troops are likely to get a new kit, it's plague marines or thousand sons.

Iranna wrote:Looks a bit too clean to be a coversion if you ask me, the pistols are much slimmer than the current ones are. Also, there's a guy with a completely bare arm in the middle and a guy at the front pointing at the enemy.

I would still say that these are the new models; a kit doesn't need a radical overhaul.

Iranna.

The pistols are normal Chaos Space Marine bolt pistols + arms. They are kit bash models from the CSM and Berserkers boxes and include some conversions. You do realise that basically every Space Marine models can and even should be kit bashed with eachother to produce more interesting models and poses?

Their helmets look a bit different too; they might just be conversions, but a man can dream of a less derpy-looking World Eaters kit, can't he?

Therion wrote:Pathetic attempt at trolling.

You keep using that word...

English Assassin wrote:Their helmets look a bit different too; they might just be conversions, but a man can dream of a less derpy-looking World Eaters kit, can't he?

One can always dream It's not a really bad kit though considering it's age. Only the weapons are truly bad and that's about as easy a fix as they come.

"They can also upgrade to have chainfists in the form of 2 handed chain-axes."

From page 1 of this thread concerning Khorne Bezerkers.

Iranna.

Which is still rumours. Nothing in this thread is confirmed.

Cerebrium wrote:Which is still rumours. Nothing in this thread is confirmed.

Never for a minute did I suggest otherwise - I was merely pointing out that there may be some evidence for this rumour in the newest rulebook.

With the picture of a Khorne Bezerker....

Holding a........ Two-handed Chainaxe?

But you're right, it's obviously a conversion.

Iranna.

It's a chicken and egg scenario. It might be a new model, or someone might have made up that rumour after SEEING that picture in the rulebook.

Cerebrium wrote:I doubt they'd get a new plastic kit regardless of how old the current one is, if any cult troops are likely to get a new kit, it's plague marines or thousand sons.

Wasn't it mentioned that the idea was the basic chaos space marine kit was being redone with all kinds of extras and they were going to release upgrade kits to then turn them into thousand sons, berserkers, noise marines, etc? Or was that wishlisting/side conversation?

There's a lot of wishlisting being mashed into legit rumours at the moment. Basically, print off the first post of this thread, pin it to the wall, throw darts at it. The rumours the darts hit are the true ones.

Those are Wade Pryce's Khorne Berserkers and are most definitely conversions and are not even new conversions at that. This was covered in another thread already and in fact his army is also featured in this month's White Dwarf.

You can check out all of his awesome models on his website: http://www.freewebs.com/grandmasterwade/

If they start lowering the prices again, I'll probably start playing again.

Either way, think I need to pick up some books now....

And get my last couple of units built and painted up....

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Phragonist wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:

Phragonist wrote:

Neconilis wrote:

Phragonist wrote:
If the dark apostle is like a chaplain, I'll be putting one with 15 berzerkers in the new, higher capacity, land raider. Rerolling hits and wounds, hooooo.

Mr. Duggan, while I appreciate and understand the enthusiasm, chaplains only allow you to re-roll attacks on the charge, not wounds, excepting Death Company.

yes, well, the blood angels chaplain entry concerning death company states that "their RAGE makes them particularly susceptable to the Chaplain's fiery oratory". Considering that berzerkers may get the rage usr, it makes sense that they may also be equaly susceptable to fiery oratory, and hence be able to reroll wounds. Berzerkers are roughly the CSM equivalent to death company

That's still a hell of a stretch of logic. Hell, we don't even know if they allow rerolls to HIT, let alone hits AND wounds.

Especially considering Black Templars with Rage don't get rerolls to wound from Chaplains.

Their rules were written before the new blood angels codex. These new CSM codex is coming out after the blood angels codex

And we didn't have Rage until 6th edition. If that's what they intended they would've added the rule to Black Templars too, no?

maybe if all they get a new codex and all the black templars that have the rule are moved to the elite slot

Phragonist wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Phragonist wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:

Phragonist wrote:

Neconilis wrote:

Phragonist wrote:
If the dark apostle is like a chaplain, I'll be putting one with 15 berzerkers in the new, higher capacity, land raider. Rerolling hits and wounds, hooooo.

Mr. Duggan, while I appreciate and understand the enthusiasm, chaplains only allow you to re-roll attacks on the charge, not wounds, excepting Death Company.

yes, well, the blood angels chaplain entry concerning death company states that "their RAGE makes them particularly susceptable to the Chaplain's fiery oratory". Considering that berzerkers may get the rage usr, it makes sense that they may also be equaly susceptable to fiery oratory, and hence be able to reroll wounds. Berzerkers are roughly the CSM equivalent to death company

That's still a hell of a stretch of logic. Hell, we don't even know if they allow rerolls to HIT, let alone hits AND wounds.

Especially considering Black Templars with Rage don't get rerolls to wound from Chaplains.

Their rules were written before the new blood angels codex. These new CSM codex is coming out after the blood angels codex

And we didn't have Rage until 6th edition. If that's what they intended they would've added the rule to Black Templars too, no?

maybe if all they get a new codex and all the black templars that have the rule are moved to the elite slot

I'm looking down a tunnel in time.. woooooo!

Serious now... I don't think Black templars are getting anything so soon and we will have to wait a little to see, but Since black templars now must accept challenges, having rage will be super good. I can see it as some kind of sarg upgrade on any squad to boost cc capabilities for tac squads.

Na I don't know. Wishlisting = a waste of time. ignore me we should be talking Chaos.

I'm actually only peeved about two things of all these rumours..

Still no drop-pod, though this can be remedied by getting the FW one for chaos..

And my no.1 pet peeve: our flying daemon princes won't be flying, merely jumping.. i'll try to remedy that by allying my CSM with daemons, just to get a DP that can actually FLY...

Other than that, yes, I have nothing against paying points through my teeth to get the mark and icon to get "almost" cult terminators...

//Calle

Jag_Calle wrote:Still no drop-pod, though this can be remedied by getting the FW one for chaos..

You want a drop pod? That wouldn't be fair. Loyalists get drop pods. Chaos gets daemons. It's been like that for 2 editions.

Oh, wait.

Ha! I get it.

I'm not impressed with the new Chaos SM from what I've read and heard. Just going to have to stick to loyalists until Eldar get redone.

Frankly I don't believe a gott-damned word of it until I see it.

I am *excited* for Ahriman rules and other Tsons tidbits, but I am completely flabbergasted that we hear so many different things.

Then again, what's new?

I have been reading through this for the past week but have not hit every post. Is there any hints about any Fallen/Cypher in the Chaos Codex?? Is there anyone out there, other then me, that would like to see at least a tad of fallen get some love? There is so much awesomeness behind the fallen i.e. maybe they dont even belong in the Chaos codex (they are the Loyal half)

-Lando

I'm abit disappointed that their is no news on new transport options for CSM besides a new land raider variant. =/

A basic transport besides the METAL BAWKES would be nice.