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Mr. Balloon Hands wrote:I have been reading through this for the past week but have not hit every post. Is there any hints about any Fallen/Cypher in the Chaos Codex?? Is there anyone out there, other then me, that would like to see at least a tad of fallen get some love? There is so much awesomeness behind the fallen i.e. maybe they dont even belong in the Chaos codex (they are the Loyal half)

-Lando

No new special characters over the current book, sorry. The Fallen are rare enough that even a unit of them would be out of place.

Jag_Calle wrote:

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And my no.1 pet peeve: our flying daemon princes won't be flying, merely jumping.. i'll try to remedy that by allying my CSM with daemons, just to get a DP that can actually FLY...

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hold up. Our daemon princes CURRENTLY are merely jumping, not flying. There is NO indication that this is how it will be in the new codex. Actually, daemon princes are rumored to have a points increase to be equal to the ones from the daemon codex, which leads me to believe they will get the benefits of the ones from the daemons codex, like being flying monstrous creatures.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Mr. Balloon Hands wrote:I have been reading through this for the past week but have not hit every post. Is there any hints about any Fallen/Cypher in the Chaos Codex?? Is there anyone out there, other then me, that would like to see at least a tad of fallen get some love? There is so much awesomeness behind the fallen i.e. maybe they dont even belong in the Chaos codex (they are the Loyal half)

-Lando

No new special characters over the current book, sorry. The Fallen are rare enough that even a unit of them would be out of place.

Yes, the fallen are rare. But they are still apart of the 40k universe. I mean they are a pretty big deal to the Dark Angels. And dont you think that a couple elite Fallen would want to roll around with some Night Lords to drop some heavy beats on the Dark Angels.

So in terms of rumors about Fallen. I am going to go with no news is good news.

A few companies are now reporting that AOBR is no longer available from GW trade...

Mr. Balloon Hands wrote:

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Mr. Balloon Hands wrote:I have been reading through this for the past week but have not hit every post. Is there any hints about any Fallen/Cypher in the Chaos Codex?? Is there anyone out there, other then me, that would like to see at least a tad of fallen get some love? There is so much awesomeness behind the fallen i.e. maybe they dont even belong in the Chaos codex (they are the Loyal half)

-Lando

No new special characters over the current book, sorry. The Fallen are rare enough that even a unit of them would be out of place.

Yes, the fallen are rare. But they are still apart of the 40k universe. I mean they are a pretty big deal to the Dark Angels. And dont you think that a couple elite Fallen would want to roll around with some Night Lords to drop some heavy beats on the Dark Angels.

So in terms of rumors about Fallen. I am going to go with no news is good news.

They may be rare, but are they more common than GK Dreds, or than a chapter master? I would say they are. I don't think a single fallen as a HQ, or a unit of up to 10 as a unique choice would be that impossible. The question is though, is Cypher new? Depends on what you call new.

They said no new special characters, but that doesn't mean old ones can't come back. Doom Rider and Cypher are both old, and may come back-we won't know until somebody has the book.

I doubt old special characters are returning. Their models are usually lame, and there's tons of finecast GW can elease before resorting to them.

Regarding Cypher and Fallen Angels, either could be made as upgrades for a Chosen squad, like Telion for SM scouts. It's the solution JustDave found in his codex and I think it's really smart...meaning it likely won't ever happen in an official book.

I seriously hope Doom Rider doesn't come back.. Don't need a ghost rider rip off that doesn't have much of a place. Same with Cypher really, he's not part of any of the legions nor does he have his own legion.

Rather have new characters

Well no new characters is all the rumors say so looks like you're out of luck.

I personally liked the Doomrider he's the only chaos special character who wasnt just footslogging infantry or a terminator. Loyalists have special characters that take all kinds of forms while the only thing distinguishing chaos' characters is really their god. That's ok and all I just think variety is more interesting.

Many of the chaos special characters have left their legion... So in a sense its not something that distinguishes him in an exclussionary way. The fact that he truly is on his own and the fact that he's been depicted as someone with the keen ability to turn the masses against the imperium is what makes him unique. I really think he should be a unit buff special character that replaces a champion. Add him to a CSM squad to make fallen, or add him to cultists to give them a sm with leadership and more punch.

Demiurg wrote:
One would hope it'll stay the same (it won't go down), but knowing GW.. it'll probably see a price increase.
The "RRP" I've seen is 75 pounds

Thats about 118 dollars

Harry on Warseer wrote:
There IS a limited edition starter set. Limited run of 5,000 copies I think is what I heard.
I do not know how it differs from the standard starter set ..... but I suspect not that much?
Any notion of split starter sets or multiple starter sets for different armies is. in my opinion, total bobbins.

Stickmonkey today on Warseer says:

"I am still hearing October"

I am so confused. People are saying Sept for the starter + codex.

Someone is yanking chains.

Added to OP

Thanks for all your rumor tracking updates pretre.

Unfortunately, it seems that with Stickmonkey stating "Starter set up for preorder August 25th, release Sept 1st" October is certainly looking like the month for CSM. Of course I want it sooner, but I seriously doubt they would throw a codex with the starter set now as people have said... We will see.

Also, for anyone interested (without going too off-topic from CSM), here is the digital release stuff posted today by Stickmonkey: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?348570-40k-Digital-release-schedule-rumors

Oh wait, you meant Chaos in October? Okay, let me fix that.

I'm sorry pal, I should have clarified. I get confused because this thread has gone on for so long and it has both the book and the starter in the title.

Yes, he meant October for Chaos.

yeah, I fixed the title and added a Digital release thread in N&R for his other post.

Cool, nice change.

It is not a good idea to post every release rumour for the second half of 2012 in this thread and ninja change the thread title every time.

Just started a new thread on that topic:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/467008.page#4603771

Yeah, I'm trying to keep it to Chaos. The Chaos and Starter set ones have been mushing all over each other, so I left them together.

I popped a new thread for your daemons last week and the digital stuff today though.

Grunt. OCTOBER
Thats so not cool. So not cool.
I guess that means that i will have to continue to kick butt with my antiquated codex a bit longer.

Or we can split them up. I pulled the starter stuff from the OP.

I dub this codex the Phail-Thorpe Abomination, or Gavdex The Next Edition.

I think this actually sounds like a codex that appears lik an attempt to produce something balanced. If its a failure, its only because you want A) something gimmicky with a side of cheese to win, or B) you want something like legions which is arguably difficult to fit in a single book alongside renegades.

For me this thing gives chaos distinctively chaos vehicles and shows the greater importance of Chaos cultists and daemon engines that should be there... two things severly needed in the current codex. While "Legions" aren't formally written up, I think its fairly obvious that the new units were produced with atleast informally representing the Legions in mind... that's better than nothing, ie right now.

October? What a shame if correct.

However, just in time for some lucky kids to get some cultist bits in their trick or treat bags! (Not reccomended for children under 12 years of age.)

reiner wrote:October? What a shame if correct.

However, just in time for some lucky kids to get some cultist bits in their trick or treat bags! (Not reccomended for children under 12 years of age.)

Considering the number of spikes we can guess they'll have, they'll probably tear right through those bags!

aka_mythos wrote:I think this actually sounds like a codex that appears lik an attempt to produce something balanced. If its a failure, its only because you want A) something gimmicky with a side of cheese to win, or B) you want something like legions which is arguably difficult to fit in a single book alongside renegades.

For me this thing gives chaos distinctively chaos vehicles and shows the greater importance of Chaos cultists and daemon engines that should be there... two things severly needed in the current codex. While "Legions" aren't formally written up, I think its fairly obvious that the new units were produced with atleast informally representing the Legions in mind... that's better than nothing, ie right now.

Having to accept all challenges, rolling on Eye of the Gods table...I'm reserving final judgement but from here, but I've stopped painting, and assembling and won't do anything hobby related until I get the book in my hands to discern the grim truth of how fethed and ally dependent we will be. I'm hoping for the best...but I'm girding myself for the worst.

I don't use daemons, and I don't really want cultists. Chosen are rumored to be pretty much copy-pasted from Gavdex 1 to Gavdex TNE. All in all, some things sound interesting, but I get the feeling it's "scaled back" in power. So, while I'm not really wanting a Super Quiche book, I'm getting tired of always being at a disadvantage against every army. If I wanted that kind of challenge, or LOL random tables, I'd play Tyranids or Orks (respectively).

I don't play in tournaments, but the people I play with pretty much play tournament style so I face the Nastiest stuff, and I'm tired of being the punching bag. If my chosen army isn't going to get some Cheese-or at least some crunch for all the "lol random " tables and the fluff and I got to experience another bout of "If you wanted a good codex you shouldn't have turned from the Emperor" I'll drop flags and make Space Wolves (since my base troops are dropping to Space Wolf leadership, and Space Wolves don't have to roll on LOL random tables and such) turning my Terminators into Greyknight allies and not give one Infinitesimal of a feth about what anybody says about it.

Hell, I'll come right out and say it: I wish Matt Ward wrote this book. Because he'd mess up the background, but it'd play dirty and wreck the crap out of everything and it'd be awesome.

Trevak Dal wrote:
Having to accept all challenges

Seems to fit most of the named chaos IC's, but as a blanket rule I am not happy about it as we can no longer throw a chump champion at the challenger while our IC goes to town on his squad.

@Trevak Dal: I'm gonna assume you're not trolling because I did see a good deal of fealing behind that soap box of yours. I have to say this though. Praying to the dark god matt ward is not the answer. We can still get a competitive codex without resorting to the swiss and gouda. I'm reserved about the codex too but one doesn't have to resort to power creap and bull**** to win games.

Without trying to be that guy that always says this, but you could just wait for the Codex before complaining too much.
This 'far' out, rumours are often fairly inaccurate; it's still about 2 months away by current expectations and things only really get accurate within a month before release IMHO...

Hmmm, GW and Spawns.... You know the better the models look the worse their usefulness to point value they become. Look at Special Heroes, Spawns, Possessed.

They pushed using spawns in Apocalypse, with the Gift of Chaos spell, and in this addition it sounds like possession.

They really need to give Spawns, feel no pain, an invulnerable save.

As for Possessed, if they pay for their abilities then they will over shadow raptors, and CC Terminators, unless, raptors can DS on Icons like Termies can.