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 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Love the fact that the load out in the image of the Deathwatch marine is not actually possible

Boltgun (with sight) and power sword.

Totally possible.

Ah misread it I thought you had to swap out the boltgun

Here I was hoping that they would make marines better. Guess I'll need the box of 5 vets.

On the subject of more attacks being better or worse, the Fumble rule has a slightly higher affect than the Critical Hit rule; all 1s rolled give the enemy a benefit, while only second a nd subsequent 6s give you the +1 (although the first 6 does give you, well, a score of 6. )

The most important thing to be learned from those two cards? Orks get "shanks" as close combat weapons. Finally, a use for those Mekboyz and grotz equipped with screwdrivers.

More attacks are more better: We discussed it here: https://yaktribe.org/community/threads/necromunda-combat-stats.4403/

All I can say about Orks getting shanks is..

 BrookM wrote:
Wolf Scouts maybe, but a pack of Grey Hunters may be OP.

Could also have a Lone Wolf make an appearance.

Clearly we will have rules that allow us to field a full 10-man unit of Custodes in Terminator Armour.

Vorian wrote:
More attacks are more better: We discussed it here: https://yaktribe.org/community/threads/necromunda-combat-stats.4403/

Reading it but right away this popped up: Also, apart from the knife situation, all other curves have a peak around A4, before their expected combat score starts to reduce. That is, from an expected combat score perspective, taking your attacks beyond A4 makes you worse in combat. Fortunately such dilemmas are rare in the underhive (you can't say I didn't tell you this wisdom might be useless).

GW missed a chance for plastic arbites then. :/

Sure, but in Necromunda you're unlikely to be getting 30 attacks

Why would they have plastic Arbites in an Armageddon warzone??

Vorian wrote:
Sure, but in Necromunda you're unlikely to be getting 30 attacks

Why would they have plastic Arbites in an Armageddon warzone??

Because Necromunda and reasons or something.

 BrookM wrote:
Wolf Scouts maybe, but a pack of Grey Hunters may be OP.

Not sure why they'd include Deathwatch, but Grey Hunters would be too OP?

Seems about the same to me, plus the Wolves were at Armageddon.

The Death Watch operative appears to be fielded on his own though, unlike a squad of other power armoured monstrosities. But again, early days and all that, who knows how these carded models factor into the game?

Sadly no info from my FLGS on this yet, next week it is then. The current message only had Blood Bowl stuff and Citadel tools.

 BrookM wrote:
The Death Watch operative appears to be fielded on his own though, unlike a squad of other power armoured monstrosities. But again, early days and all that, who knows how these carded models factor into the game?

Sadly no info from my FLGS on this yet, next week it is then. The current message only had Blood Bowl stuff and Citadel tools.

Ah, I see, I assumed they were coming in squads.

If that's the case, it's odd that Chaos Marines get a mention in the unit entries, but Space Marines do not.

*insert comment about chaos always suffering here*

But who knows? Still early days. Maybe Space Wolves and the other colours of the rainbow will also get their own Kill Team lists with access to power armoured models, but at a steep price in points?

Wraithwing wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
The Death Watch operative appears to be fielded on his own though, unlike a squad of other power armoured monstrosities. But again, early days and all that, who knows how these carded models factor into the game?

Sadly no info from my FLGS on this yet, next week it is then. The current message only had Blood Bowl stuff and Citadel tools.

Ah, I see, I assumed they were coming in squads.

If that's the case, it's odd that Chaos Marines get a mention in the unit entries, but Space Marines do not.

To be fair the exact wording they used is ambiguous as to whether or not things actually come in units or not. They just say this:

Warhammer Community wrote:You’ll be able to expand your game with extra models for the two squads in the box, or even add whole new races. The Kill Teams are all designed to be built around squads in an army you might already have, or can pick-up in a single boxed set. Here are a few of the units that you will be able to use, in case you wanted to get started building and painting now:
<list here>

From what we saw of the roster for Neophytes, it could go either way.

Neophyte sheet, for reference.

Indeed. Maybe the CSM list only allows for a single power armour model, as the leader of the gang, whereas the rest of the group is made up of scrubs in rags.

Speculation on my part and all that.

You'll recruit everything in single model purchases. That's how Necromunda points/credits system of recruitment works. This also makes balancing everything possible - want Tyranid Warriors against Imperial Guard? No problem, have two vs twenty...

But you still want to have many more models, so GW selling boxes of units now is totally fine, because of WYSYWIG and customization options/evolution throughout the campaign. Your gang/kill team will most likely consist of different models to represent same members from mission to mission.

 BrookM wrote:
Indeed. Maybe the CSM list only allows for a single power armour model, as the leader of the gang, whereas the rest of the group is made up of scrubs in rags.

Speculation on my part and all that.

That's what I was thinking too.

Wasn't there a bit in one of the Eisenhorn novels where one chaos marine was overseeing work on a mining colony or something?

 alanmckenzie wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Indeed. Maybe the CSM list only allows for a single power armour model, as the leader of the gang, whereas the rest of the group is made up of scrubs in rags.

Speculation on my part and all that.

That's what I was thinking too.

Wasn't there a bit in one of the Eisenhorn novels where one chaos marine was overseeing work on a mining colony or something?

Indeed, one of the Emperor's Children.

This would be the perfect excuse to make an Alpha Legion warband, but that has probably been done to death by now.

Assuming because it's going to be necromunda based rules,there will be special equipment,rad grenades,promethium barrels for burna boys to use torrent special attack's so on,and should spawn a whole mess of random weapons upgrade and objective markers,piles of choppas! extra bosspole,frag krak and melta piles etc,looking forward to all aspects of this new boxset,even if it ends up unbalanced sure with some tweaking it will be playable with mixed rules new and old.

From what I've seen so far, most of it will be old rules. Even just looking at the Deathwatch marine's stuff, most of his equipment can be found under the old rules, with exception to the Hellfire rounds and storm shield, though I may be mistaken there, as Necromunda is something I'm not as familiar with.

I've got a feeling most of the equipment will be same across the board, but just with a different name to keep things fluffy for each faction. Shank sounds a whole lot orkier than dagger. The Gitfinda is probably their version of the red-dot laser sight and the cutlass is no doubt a sword.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Sure, but in Necromunda you're unlikely to be getting 30 attacks

Why would they have plastic Arbites in an Armageddon warzone??

Because Necromunda and reasons or something.

The idea of arbites are cool until you try to figure out what they represent in game are basic guardsmen w powermauls and boltpistol in carapace armour and then realize they are always going to be objectively worse than stormtroopers or even imperial guard veterans. They are just going to be horrible at shooting and horrible at melee. Even if gw gets creative with special wargear such as web guns and riot shields they will still be overpriced and awful. The only cool item item they could have is the robot dog and I don't even think that can save them being useful. They are judge dread style police (not even judge dread himself who was a genetically modified human) in a game of super soldiers and endless waves of basic soldiers with supped up weapons of war.

gungo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Sure, but in Necromunda you're unlikely to be getting 30 attacks

Why would they have plastic Arbites in an Armageddon warzone??

Because Necromunda and reasons or something.

The idea of arbites are cool until you try to figure out what they represent in game are basic guardsmen w powermauls and boltpistol in carapace armour and then realize they are always going to be objectively worse than stormtroopers or even imperial guard veterans. They are just going to be horrible at shooting and horrible at melee. Even if gw gets creative with special wargear such as web guns and riot shields they will still be overpriced and awful. The only cool item item they could have is the robot dog and I don't even think that can save them being useful. They are judge dread style police in a game of super soldiers and endless waves of basic soldiers with supped up weapons of war.

In this particular instance, the biggest reason it falls flat is that this isn't seeming like it is set up fluffwise to be "Necromunda with special guest appearances by <insert 40k armies here>". It's an active warzone.

Arbites could potentially work, but it would have to be the heavier strike teams or individual officers acting as 'pathfinders'/'guides' for the Imperial forces.

I think they've decided to phase out the cyber-mutts in favour of vat-grown crotch maulers.



Also, it's DREDD, not Dread.

 BrookM wrote:
I think they've decided to phase out the cyber-mutts in favour of vat-grown crotch maulers.



Also, it's DREDD, not Dread.

The Cyber Mastiff there is actually a cybernetic bit underneath of a flesh 'skin'.

Ah, also.. Arbites are a military force into their own. They operate their own fleets, have their own tanks and whatnot. They are not exactly what one would call "the police" as they do not supplant local law enforcement and delve into petty crimes like murder and theft, but instead deal with the serious stuff like sedition, rounding up of heretics and making sure Imperial Governors don't go rogue.

Execution Hour and one of the Ultramarine novels perfectly describes this task. Damn, the Shira trilogy is also a good insight into what these guys actually do.

 BrookM wrote:
Ah, also.. Arbites are a military force into their own. They operate their own fleets, have their own tanks and whatnot. They are not exactly what one would call "the police" as they do not supplant local law enforcement and delve into petty crimes like murder and theft, but instead deal with the serious stuff like sedition, rounding up of heretics and making sure Imperial Governors don't go rogue.

Execution Hour and one of the Ultramarine novels perfectly describes this task. Damn, the Shira trilogy is also a good insight into what these guys actually do.

They are federal police (for terra) at best they can go toe to toe with a small PDF force (which itself is usually not as geared up as imperial guard regiments.

Vorian wrote:
Sure, but in Necromunda you're unlikely to be getting 30 attacks

Why would they have plastic Arbites in an Armageddon warzone??

Why would they try to revive a small skirmish game in a setting more suited for upscaling games even further?

I have absolutely no idea if that's a serious statement or not :p