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Panic wrote:yeah...
Couple of questions?
Why's he called a soul grinder? i see no grinding apparatus on him...
No tracks to grind you under etc... just lots of spiky stuff... Soul Stabby half deamon machine thing..?

Wha...?!?

Did you just ask for a LOGICAL reason why:

1) A Daemon machine thingy could exist without the presence of Chaos Marines and
2) GW would put something out there that potentially might not make much sense?

Panic wrote:
Has anyone comfirmed if this codex stands alone... as in not compatable with the CSM codex...
Because with out marines about to have bound him to a defiler , and then he breaks out, I really don't see where all the machinery bits are coming from?

yeah...

I don't think there's been 100% confirmation that CSM CANNOT ally with Codex: Daemon forces, but I think we're at something like 95% confirmation that they can't...???

stonefox wrote:Chaos. It's custard falling from the sky. It's a- an arm that turns into a sword. It's the ability to cut open your arm and mice pour out rather than blood.

It's not taking a heavy weapon unless you have at least 10 men in your squad lest you violate the Chaos Codex Astartes (which is just like the regular Codex Astartes except it is renegade and stuff so it has horns but it doesn't have rending).

Panic wrote:Because with out marines about to have bound him to a defiler , and then he breaks out, I really don't see where all the machinery bits are coming from?

Me neither. I can think of a few explanations though.

One possibility is that GW plans to release an entire line of Possessed Vehicles Gone Wild. In future editions we may see new sprues for use with the Predator, Vindicator, Land Raider, and Rhino kits to create the entire menagerie of daemonic vehicles. By 7th edition you will be able to transport your titless daemonettes around the battlefield in style with unbound possessed Rhinos (a.k.a. Soul Guzzlers)!

Another possibility is that Codex: Chaos Daemons will include some new fluff to explain what the hell a Soul Grinder is doing in a daemon army. Like maybe, in the waning days of the 13th Black Crusade, Sarth Didious, King of the Defilers, betrays Abaddon and executes Order 666 which causes all the Defilers on Cadia to go apeshit and join the Chaos Daemons (which are a separate army from the Chaos Space Marines). Which ties in to...

...the last possibility - that they're releasing the Soul Grinder to test the waters in anticipation of Codex: Defiler Kingdoms (tentative 6th edition release). Much like how daemons were taken out of C:CSM and made into their own army, Defilers and Soul Grinders would be spun off to create Defiler Kingdoms. GW would then release more sprues for use with the Defiler kit, allowing us to create all the myriad types of Defiler. Expect sprues to make Khorne Defilers, Slaanesh Defilers, Nurgle Command Defilers on Palanquin, Fat Defilers, Female Defilers, Ninja Defilers (direct only), Pirate Defilers, Out-of-Gas Defilers, and Pegasus Defilers (Defilers riding Pegasuses). The LatD will also be re-imagined and will appear in altered form as the Gnob Gobblers, the diminutive mutant helpers of the Defiler Kingdom army. Sarth Didious will appear as a special character.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:It's not taking a heavy weapon unless you have at least 10 men in your squad lest you violate the Chaos Codex Astartes (which is just like the regular Codex Astartes except it is renegade and stuff so it has horns but it doesn't have rending).

Not so!

Chaos allows for the heretical numbers of 6, 7, 8, and even *9* marines to form a unit. Not just 5 or 10. Truly, this is amazing stuff!

Yeesh. They're Chaos Space Marines, not Munchkin Space Marines.

Well at least the Deomnette claws seem nice conversion material for Nids.

Thank you Abadabadoobuddy, you gave me a good laugh!

Kotrin wrote:Thank you Abadabadoobuddy, you gave me a good laugh!

Agreed!

I see the Soulgrinder, and while I think it's cool, I see the defiler legs and it makes me want to buy a deflier kit and make my own custom Soulgrinder.

Alpharius wrote:Did you just ask for a LOGICAL reason why:

1) A Daemon machine thingy could exist without the presence of Chaos Marines and

Back in the Good Old Days, the Chaos Squats made all of the Daemon Engines.