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Alot of this game is list composition.

Darth wrote:Maybe its ignorant to claim that the armies are 100 percent equal, buts its fair enough to state that the armies are equal enough for the better player always to win the battle.

This thread originally started about a friend of mine whining about necrons being unbeatable, but soon switched to how terrible the necrons are.

I think we have found a happy medium.

It's really not that simple: while there is a good argument that Necrons were able to field a few middle tier, competitive lists in 4th edition, the advent of 5th edition and several of the newer, more competitive Codices have inarguably diminished the Necrons.

Several changes in 5th are severely detrimental to Necrons, most especially the run rule and the adjusted leadership when losing close combat. Simply put, Necrons have always been weak in CC, and 5th has made CC both easier to get into and more decisive. While the Monolith has indeed become frighteningly difficult to destroy, the fact also remains that the best way to defeat Necrons has been and remains to ignore it and focus on phase out.

As a long time Necron player I've gradually come to the conclusion that even the better builds are simply underpowered compared to lists made with more recent Codices, and by more recent I don't mean Orks and SM, I mean anything after Codex Eldar (and possibly Tyranids, not completely sure when that was last revised).