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@Gwar
That is an unsubstantiated and incorrect statement.
The normal Deep Strike rules do not permit you to place on top of models or in impassable terrain.

I am not going to repeat myself as I have proven it with RAW at the bottom of page 2 and above on page 3.

Before you even suggest that it's covered under Mishap, you will notice you still do not place the models.
"If any of the models in a DS unit cannot be deployed because they would land off the table, in impassable terrain..."

You can't place a model on top of another model, because that model counts as impassable terrain, and a model may not be placed in impassable terrain unless it has a special rule that permits it. The Deep Strike rule itself does not permit a unit to be placed in impassable terrain.

It instead causes a mishap.

@kirsanth
What? Did you say something?

I'm waiting for the quote that says the Mawloc can either be placed in impassable terrain, on enemy models or follows a different Deep Strike process than normal.

Do you have it yet?

Yep.

@kirsanth
Excellent. I'm sure we're all excited to see what you have found. What is the quote?

incarna wrote:
is there anyone out there who really believes a Mawlock can not deep strike on top of your opponents units?

Only the people that keep quoting deep strike rules when in fact the mawlok does not deep strike.

Just a side note: If friendly/enemy models are considered "Impassable terrain", then why is it that they need to be mentioned in the deepstrike rule, instead of it just saying "Oh, hey, if one of the models land in impassable terrain, do this..."?


Maybe not the largest of points, but enemy models, by the deepstrike rules, are different than normal impassable terrain, even if they are potentially treated the same way.

The within 1" issue. You can be within an inch of impassable terrain.

@dronze
That is because in 3rd & 4th edition friendly models didn't effect DS.

To DS in those editions you would place the LBT roll for scatter and then place the anywhere models on or touching the template(LBT).

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@kirsanth
But not within 1" of an enemy model. If the impassable terrain and the enemy model are one and the same, then you cannot be within 1" of the impassable terrain... the enemy model.


@Everyone
Nobody can provide a quote for Subterranean Assault yet?

Here's the rule:
Terror From the Deep : if the Mawloc deep strikes into an enemy model, do not roll on the mishap table. Instead, place a Large Blast Marker at the point where the Mawloc is entering play. Each model under the template takes a S6 Ap2 hit. Vehicles are hit on rear armor. Surviving models are moved the minimum distance to the side of the template while retaining coherency. Units that were locked in combat must try to stay in B2B with enemy models, if not possible, place at least 1" apart. Any models that cannot be moved off the template are destroyed. Vehicles (even if immobillized) retain orientation when moved. After everything has been moved, replace the template with the Mawloc.

Notice the terms Deep Strike and no exceptions other than what happens in the case of a mishap. No mention that the Mawloc is immune to deep strike rules which means it CAN NOT deep strike into impassable terrain per RAW but if it scatters onto impassable terrain it gets its cheesy power.

This also means that the template affects friendly models as it says "model" and not "enemy".

The exception is not needed.

To Deepstrike into an enemy model is letting you know this is normal. It is not saying "if it scatters into".

Thread temp closed pending some investigation.

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Man, this is all I wanted, which was to look at how this whole thing came about. Thank you.

If you are playing RAW clearly you are not able to place a model on top of another model to begin your Deep Strike move. This means that placing the Mawloc ON an enemy unit then rolling the scatter die is not RAW.
So this means it is not like a free blast marker where if you roll a hit you will get your S6 AP2 hits. Considering you have a higher chance of scattering, 66%, this makes much more sense.

Sorry, Reds8n, I've been looking at this thread too, and... let me know if you need help. It almost seems like some posters are being purposefully obtuse, and arguing just to argue.

Grrr.