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Black Blow Fly wrote:Some people are saying Tasty Taste pulled this stunt solely to increase traffic at his blog spot with no real concern for true justice.

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Would this be the Fox News version of "some people" in which (the colloquial) you are the "some people" or the "some people" that a reasonable person would infer to be a variety of non-biased individuals from whom you have received correspondence or witnessed an expression of this sentiment?
   
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fullybakedbear wrote:
Black Blow Fly wrote:Some people are saying Tasty Taste pulled this stunt solely to increase traffic at his blog spot with no real concern for true justice.

G


Would this be the Fox News version of "some people" in which (the colloquial) you are the "some people" or the "some people" that a reasonable person would infer to be a variety of non-biased individuals from whom you have received correspondence or witnessed an expression of this sentiment?


Hah, I had the same thought when I read his post.

 
   
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Brother Ramses wrote:I am covered from any privacy issues by blurring you out. Any other issue you want to cite about me taping you is moot since I am just taping the game, not you.

I would even edit the video so your face is replaced with angry Leonatos from 300.


And how are you going to pay your lawyer?

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Brother Ramses wrote:I am covered from any privacy issues by blurring you out. Any other issue you want to cite about me taping you is moot since I am just taping the game, not you.

I would even edit the video so your face is replaced with angry Leonatos from 300.


And how are you going to pay your lawyer?

50 to 100 thousand pieces of paper with Frazonidas on them. I'd accept that as currency

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And this, friends & neighbors, is why I don't play in tourneys anymore. After spending countless hours assembling, converting, painting, brainstorming and playtesting in preparation for said tourney, not to mention time & expense neccesary to actually get there, only to be placed against someone who is, at best, just plain sloppy at playing and, at worst, cheating, I'm afraid I'd lose my cool on him and he'd get to have his army removed from his rear! Cheater or not, it's still disrespectful, as well as uncalled for.

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Can't someone just refuse to sign the scoring sheet afterwards if the other player constantly cheated the whole time? I don't think its enough to just knock the guy on sportsmanship. If the entire game, your opponent was trying to cheat (and you called him out for everything that you saw, but wasn't able to catch everything) is it legit to not sign the scoring sheet and bring up the problem with the TO? (This is regardless if you won/lost/drew)
   
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bluedevil27 wrote:Can't someone just refuse to sign the scoring sheet afterwards if the other player constantly cheated the whole time? I don't think its enough to just knock the guy on sportsmanship. If the entire game, your opponent was trying to cheat (and you called him out for everything that you saw, but wasn't able to catch everything) is it legit to not sign the scoring sheet and bring up the problem with the TO? (This is regardless if you won/lost/drew)


Stop the game and get a judge immediately. Complaining afterwards is almost useless - there really is no good way to intervene if the game is over.
   
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Some good guidelines for cheating or other bad behavior:

If it involves movement, measurement, dice rolling, or other questionable behavior try and bring it up. some examples:

"I thought that transport couldn't fire if it moved over 6 inches"

"I'm sorry, I'm not sure I heard you, what unit are you shooting at?"

"Wouldn't that unit need to take a difficult terrain test?"

Lots of time they are honest mistakes, or I am reminded of a special rule. If you have the issues keep comming up then you need to be a little more forceful. But you can even do it yourself:

"I'm going to mark how far each of your transports moved so I'll remember if I'll need a 4 or 6 to hit it in close combat."

"Please make sure you roll your dice where I can see them."

If the bad behavior keeps up then excuse yourself and grab a judge and ask them if they wouldn't mind looking in on your game for a little bit because of the issues.

Also, when someone is deploying thier army I usually make them walk me through each unit to compare it with the army list. This generally eliminates someone putting in a power fist that he didn't pay points for.

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Frazzled wrote:

And how are you going to pay your lawyer?


Could a MOD post a warning about continuing to derail this thread with some pointless banter about video cameras...

Oh wait, it is a MOD continuing to derail this thread with pointless banter about video cameras...

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Black Blow Fly wrote:There was some teenager beside my table during the TT with a camera. I pulled his hat way down over his eyes, spun him round and pushed away from the table. He didn't come back for more.

G


Awesome!

Of course it wasn't very ambassadorial of you. If you're trying to build the hobby and attract new players, it is downright counter productive. I agree when people give advice to the opponent, especially when it is the tournament organizer I usually say something like "hey I'm playing him, not you" but random spectators especially if they don't know the game and are just at the con, I tell them what is happening and why things are being done.

But I guess I'm more ambassadorial than you.

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methoderik wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

And how are you going to pay your lawyer?


Could a MOD post a warning about continuing to derail this thread with some pointless banter about video cameras...

Oh wait, it is a MOD continuing to derail this thread with pointless banter about video cameras...


It is a digression, but a minor and organic one. The moderator in question posted as a member of the forum who actually is versed in the relevant laws, and who personally objects to being videotaped, as do many people. The main reason it got dragged out is that people decided to argue the point, out of ignorance a) of the relevant laws, and b) of the fact that many perfectly reasonable people prefer not to be videotaped.

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Would people object to a mounted camera. Focused downwards recording the game,
and it been projected on a screen for people to watch.
It might curb cheating and make for less milling around tables



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loki old fart wrote:Would people object to a mounted camera. Focused downwards recording the game,
and it been projected on a screen for people to watch.
It might curb cheating and make for less milling around tables


That would be permitted only if it had really cool or really corney sound effects.

Or was moderated by the guy who does the Iron Chef play by play.
"oh and now it looks like Iron Chef Frazzled is preparing a simple demon combo assault with lemon zest."

Or Howard Kossel.
"And now the cha-Amp is doing a little rope a dope on the challenger. Look at the footwork, thats the haaaallmaark of a true Cham-P-ion."

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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loki old fart wrote:Would people object to a mounted camera. Focused downwards recording the game,
and it been projected on a screen for people to watch.
It might curb cheating and make for less milling around tables


We could get some cameras, a play by play man, and a color commentator or two and sell this to ESPN, Fox, or Verses to run like the poker tournaments.

"Wow Jim! Did you just see that thunderfire shot? He nailed 3 of the 4 blasts! This might be the Battlefoam "Pack em away" moment of the game, brought to you by Battlefoam, who can help you pack away all your minatures for easy storage and handeling."

"Yeah Ron. Not being able to take out that thunderfire first turn is really comming back to haunt this warboss. Back when I started playing in 4th edition we didn't have to worry about those babies."

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asugradinwa wrote:
loki old fart wrote:Would people object to a mounted camera. Focused downwards recording the game,
and it been projected on a screen for people to watch.
It might curb cheating and make for less milling around tables


We could get some cameras, a play by play man, and a color commentator or two and sell this to ESPN, Fox, or Verses to run like the poker tournaments.

"Wow Jim! Did you just see that thunderfire shot? He nailed 3 of the 4 blasts! This might be the Battlefoam "Pack em away" moment of the game, brought to you by Battlefoam, who can help you pack away all your minatures for easy storage and handeling."

"Yeah Ron. Not being able to take out that thunderfire first turn is really comming back to haunt this warboss. Back when I started playing in 4th edition we didn't have to worry about those babies."


Is their a point to this post of yours ?. Because I missed it.



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asugradinwa wrote:
loki old fart wrote:Would people object to a mounted camera. Focused downwards recording the game,
and it been projected on a screen for people to watch.
It might curb cheating and make for less milling around tables


We could get some cameras, a play by play man, and a color commentator or two and sell this to ESPN, Fox, or Verses to run like the poker tournaments.

"Wow Jim! Did you just see that thunderfire shot? He nailed 3 of the 4 blasts! This might be the Battlefoam "Pack em away" moment of the game, brought to you by Battlefoam, who can help you pack away all your minatures for easy storage and handeling."

"Yeah Ron. Not being able to take out that thunderfire first turn is really comming back to haunt this warboss. Back when I started playing in 4th edition we didn't have to worry about those babies."


Now you're on my wavelength. Thats not a good sign for you though, being on my wavelength. I'd advise consulting with mental health professionals immediately. There's still hope for you. There's still hope!

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That sounds like fun, actually. We just need someone decent. Most of the poker commentators are lame. Gabe Kaplan's pretty decent, though.

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Frazzled wrote:

That would be permitted only if it had really cool or really corney sound effects.

Or was moderated by the guy who does the Iron Chef play by play.
"oh and now it looks like Iron Chef Frazzled is preparing a simple demon combo assault with lemon zest."

Or Howard Kossel.
"And now the cha-Amp is doing a little rope a dope on the challenger. Look at the footwork, thats the haaaallmaark of a true Cham-P-ion."


I prefer Golf play by play whispering.

Frazz moves his landraider...will it be 6 inches? No what a spectactular move....he moved it 8".......and wait is he going to deploy? yes!!! he is deploying.

Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!"

The camera man is down.....the dog is all over him....it's an incredible spectacle ladies and gentlemen.....one that I've never seen before....
GG

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This whole issue just seems suddenly contrived. Nick knew the game was being taped.

1) Did the person playing Nick who is accused of cheating also know it was being taped?
2) Was the video camera openly displayed during the game or was the taping covertly conducted?

It just seems really very ignorant to knowingly cheat if you know a game is being taped. Now I am not saying this was staged but it just doesn't all add up.

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Black Blow Fly wrote:This whole issue just seems suddenly contrived. Nick knew the game was being taped.

1) Did the person playing Nick who is accused of cheating also know it was being taped?
2) Was the video camera openly displayed during the game or was the taping covertly conducted?

It just seems really very ignorant to knowingly cheat if you know a game is being taped. Now I am not saying this was staged but it just doesn't all add up.

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someone had a Ipod camera on the table to the left of us where everyone could see it and I know we had our camera to a right, other then that there were a bunch of other people having hand hoed cameras.
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generalgrog wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

That would be permitted only if it had really cool or really corney sound effects.

Or was moderated by the guy who does the Iron Chef play by play.
"oh and now it looks like Iron Chef Frazzled is preparing a simple demon combo assault with lemon zest."

Or Howard Kossel.
"And now the cha-Amp is doing a little rope a dope on the challenger. Look at the footwork, thats the haaaallmaark of a true Cham-P-ion."


I prefer Golf play by play whispering.

Frazz moves his landraider...will it be 6 inches? No what a spectactular move....he moved it 8".......and wait is he going to deploy? yes!!! he is deploying.

Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!"

The camera man is down.....the dog is all over him....it's an incredible spectacle ladies and gentlemen.....one that I've never seen before....
GG


Hah! Good stuff. This would definitely draw attention to a game. I'd like to see the final done that way.
But anything is better than pushing spectators AWAY from the game.

All I'm seeing here is people who either looooove their "public" privacy or are in the witness protection program.

Maybe they should turn down the lights and decorate it like a basement... add alittle musty smell and let your mom yell at you intermittently. Ahhh, privacy.

Just sayin'.

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methoderik wrote:
Frazzled wrote:

And how are you going to pay your lawyer?


Could a MOD post a warning about continuing to derail this thread with some pointless banter about video cameras...

Oh wait, it is a MOD continuing to derail this thread with pointless banter about video cameras...


Mod Hat On.

I'm going to jump in here and say that the primary issue of the gameplay being discussed should be the primary focus of the thread. If people want to discuss the ettiquite, legality and pros and cons of filming at tourneys them please start a new thread and link to it from here so that discussion can have the attention it deserves, rather than having parallel topics in this thread.

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Like I said I find it hard to believe anyone would knowingly cheat if they knew their game was being taped.

Thanks for your answers Nick. : )

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loki old fart wrote:
asugradinwa wrote:
loki old fart wrote:Would people object to a mounted camera. Focused downwards recording the game,
and it been projected on a screen for people to watch.
It might curb cheating and make for less milling around tables


We could get some cameras, a play by play man, and a color commentator or two and sell this to ESPN, Fox, or Verses to run like the poker tournaments.

"Wow Jim! Did you just see that thunderfire shot? He nailed 3 of the 4 blasts! This might be the Battlefoam "Pack em away" moment of the game, brought to you by Battlefoam, who can help you pack away all your minatures for easy storage and handeling."

"Yeah Ron. Not being able to take out that thunderfire first turn is really comming back to haunt this warboss. Back when I started playing in 4th edition we didn't have to worry about those babies."


Is their a point to this post of yours ?. Because I missed it.


I thought their was. Quite funny actually. You probably missed the references do to culture or age. (And by that I mean you needed to be watching american sports, particularly football, during a certain decade.)

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mikhaila wrote:
loki old fart wrote:
asugradinwa wrote:
loki old fart wrote:Would people object to a mounted camera. Focused downwards recording the game,
and it been projected on a screen for people to watch.
It might curb cheating and make for less milling around tables


We could get some cameras, a play by play man, and a color commentator or two and sell this to ESPN, Fox, or Verses to run like the poker tournaments.

"Wow Jim! Did you just see that thunderfire shot? He nailed 3 of the 4 blasts! This might be the Battlefoam "Pack em away" moment of the game, brought to you by Battlefoam, who can help you pack away all your minatures for easy storage and handeling."

"Yeah Ron. Not being able to take out that thunderfire first turn is really comming back to haunt this warboss. Back when I started playing in 4th edition we didn't have to worry about those babies."


Is their a point to this post of yours ?. Because I missed it.


I thought their was. Quite funny actually. You probably missed the references do to culture or age. (And by that I mean you needed to be watching american sports, particularly football, during a certain decade.)


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Matthias wrote:
Things go uncalled in professional sports all the time...bad calls are made in professional sports all the time...these things are bound to happen in 40K too, if you view it as a sport...


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After much work I finally finished my report on cheating during a top table match at Adepticon. I want to let you the community decide on does this behavior rise to the level of cheating or is it just a case of sour apples? Check out my blog for everything you need to know.

http://bloodofkittens.com/?p=3088

PS: Blackmoor was standing on table away so I want to know what his perspective is on this whole thing.


1. Your camera angle was craptastic, you have no right putting a guy out on front street with that bullgak film with only YOUR supposed side of it.

2. The fallback was gaked to begin with, the guy on the red side of the table looked like a total tool bag measuring his inches in 3 inch intervals. WTF was that about? Along side the gak camera angle, we see a guy running the wrong way in fallback.

3. YOU put it out that they are cheating, then put it up on a website. SO.... What did the judges say about it AT THE TIME OF THE GAME?

4. Missle launchers... hmmm so was it 3 or 4? Who called him on it the first time it happened? WHY then would it have to happen a second time without calling him out and calling a judge?

5. Adepticon STILL brings the pogues out to play. THAT film you showed was an example of a no bull CHERRY argument. Anyone worth thier salt already KNOWS that that was a BS argument, and that it went on for more then a minute tells me that someone or TWO needs to go back and read thier rule books and codex's.

6. The fact that you would bring this to Dakka, instead of leaving it on your own site, where you have alrady crucified this guy in public record doesn't say much for you, either.

From what we see here, YOU have the guy already pegged, and are egging on a nonsituation that should have been dealt with IN HOUSE AT THE GAME.

Instead of calling someone out for cheating and "Letting you decide", why don't you come to the table with facts, instead of accusations?


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bluedevil27 wrote:Can't someone just refuse to sign the scoring sheet afterwards if the other player constantly cheated the whole time? I don't think its enough to just knock the guy on sportsmanship. If the entire game, your opponent was trying to cheat (and you called him out for everything that you saw, but wasn't able to catch everything) is it legit to not sign the scoring sheet and bring up the problem with the TO? (This is regardless if you won/lost/drew)


Yes. and then you take the issue up with the judges, officiating the tourney. It's not hard.

If you want to cheat in a tourny of thie caliber, you quickly get the picture that you seriously messed your trousers.

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