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"Whether the tyranids made this perilous journey because they had already consumed everything of worth in their home galaxy or in flight of another, even more fearsome race, is unknown"

Tyranid Codex 5th Edition pg. 6

and its in the previous edition of the codex to but I have yet to find the exact quote.

Jimsolo wrote:I think they aren't linked within the universe of 40k itself. However, I think that they share a role as balancing story elements.

The Necrons are the very embodiment of death: they seek to kill all sentient life in the universe. The already succeeded once. They aren't even living creatures.

The Tyranids, on the other hand, represent the concept of life taken to it's logical extreme: a life form so virulent, so driven to survive, that it kills and consumes everything in its path, transforming it into raw living matter to reproduce itself.

I am sure no one intended for it to be so, but I see the tyranids and the necrons as a metaphor: in the grim darkness of the future, both life and death are your enemy. There is no mercy in life, and death is no escape. It adds to the feeling of humanity being hemmed in from all sides, even from the forces of reality themselves.

Just my take on it, I could be wrong.

+999999999999999

You would make a great Adeptus Mechanicus Techpriest what with that applied logic. Good job friend.

The Unending wrote:Well I don't think that the Necrons are controlling the tyranids directly but tyranid fluff has repeatedly stated that one of the reasons the tyranids may have come to our galaxy is that they are running from a race even more terrible. I always thought that, that race was the Necrons.

Think about it if the necrons are preparing for their gods to return they don't want any resistance organized toward them. So they present the galaxy with a much more pressing threat to distract them from their awakening. Go out into the great unknown and either create or find the tyranids and proceed to herd them towards our galaxy. Biggest distraction they could have asked for.

Only a few problems with that...
-Why would the Necrons be such a threat to the Tyranids? The Imperium can barely beat them in our galaxy, and this would be on their own turf.
-Wouldn't the Tyranids just eat everything, preventing the Necrons from harvesting?
-Just a little nitpick, but I don't believe the Necrons have ever been interested in creating life; they're metal heads, they love building stuff that's non-living.

IvanTih wrote:They aren't linked as far as I know and the Outsider thing isn't feasible to me.
Necrons could easly wipe out the Tyranids with those World Engines.They just do hit and run tactics until Tyranids are dead.

You mean, until that hive fleet is dead? Goodluck finding where the majority of the nids are.

I think saying the necrons hold dominion over nids is like saying the inquisition and chaos had a baby, and that baby was chuck norris.

I think the hive mind to be more mother-brainish

Grey Templar wrote:probably no one.

Thisssssssssssssssssss.

Sasori wrote:

Isn't there an incident in the new BA codex that says both the Crons and BA's were attacked by 'Nids?

Dante, and some Blood Angels, were fighting the Necrons lead by the "Silent King" when they were attacked by Tyranids, and...teamed up... To beat them. Then they parted ways peacefully.

You're joking, right? Space Marines + Necrons = buddies? Nuh-uh. Now THAT'S WAY too far. I mean, I thought Tau and Marneus Calgar's Ultramarines temporary alliance to fight off Necrons was bad enough, but then again, they are both rational thinkers with high values, but neither are mindless killing machines..

Necroman wrote:

The Unending wrote:Well I don't think that the Necrons are controlling the tyranids directly but tyranid fluff has repeatedly stated that one of the reasons the tyranids may have come to our galaxy is that they are running from a race even more terrible. I always thought that, that race was the Necrons.

Think about it if the necrons are preparing for their gods to return they don't want any resistance organized toward them. So they present the galaxy with a much more pressing threat to distract them from their awakening. Go out into the great unknown and either create or find the tyranids and proceed to herd them towards our galaxy. Biggest distraction they could have asked for.

Only a few problems with that...
-Why would the Necrons be such a threat to the Tyranids? The Imperium can barely beat them in our galaxy, and this would be on their own turf.
-Wouldn't the Tyranids just eat everything, preventing the Necrons from harvesting?
-Just a little nitpick, but I don't believe the Necrons have ever been interested in creating life; they're metal heads, they love building stuff that's non-living.

-I think that may have something to do with guns that literally peel things apart atom by atom, nigh indestructible ships, and gods that have the power to swallow stars.
-I'll answer this question with a question. Why not just harvest the tyranids?
-They could have easily found the tyranids crossing the void. Realized that they would make excellent livestock and weaken the organized resistance in the galaxy. Proceed to herd them towards the galaxy. A good analogy is that the Necrons are farmers. They have a grass field. They have to plow the field (destroying the grass) to plant wheat (a much more edible and prolific crop).

ExarchCain wrote:

Sasori wrote:

Isn't there an incident in the new BA codex that says both the Crons and BA's were attacked by 'Nids?

Dante, and some Blood Angels, were fighting the Necrons lead by the "Silent King" when they were attacked by Tyranids, and...teamed up... To beat them. Then they parted ways peacefully.

You're joking, right? Space Marines + Necrons = buddies? Nuh-uh. Now THAT'S WAY too far. I mean, I thought Tau and Marneus Calgar's Ultramarines temporary alliance to fight off Necrons was bad enough, but then again, they are both rational thinkers with high values, but neither are mindless killing machines..

The Sanguinor is the form the Deceiver takes to deceive the Blood Angels into fufilling it's goals.

The Unending wrote:
-I'll answer this question with a question. Why not just harvest the tyranids?
-They could have easily found the tyranids crossing the void. Realized that they would make excellent livestock and weaken the organized resistance in the galaxy. Proceed to herd them towards the galaxy. A good analogy is that the Necrons are farmers. They have a grass field. They have to plow the field (destroying the grass) to plant wheat (a much more edible and prolific crop).

Tyranids would be pretty tasteless as far as the C'tan are concerned. The average Tyranid has a half-developed sentience designed to perform certain tasks and nothing else. There are no emotions, so to speak - none of the fear, none of the awe that the C'tan so crave. The C'tan wouldn't "farm" Tyranids for the same reason that they don't farm cows - it's just not good eating, as far as "exciting bio-electric energy" is concerned. We know that "taste" really matters to the C'tan as well - it was more or less the point of the War in Heaven. As far as they were concerned, stars just weren't up to scratch when compared with a humanoid race you'd bred to fear and worship you.

As for the Necron military might versus Tyranid Hive Fleets issue... there's no way to compare this, really. There's too much we don't know, and far, far too much which could be true but might not (and if true would re-draw the scales of the conflict dramatically). The Necrons were/are able to cross the galaxy with unholy speed, harvest stars, engineer new life and manipulate space/time. On the other hand, they failed to dominate this galaxy entirely, and ultimately elected to hibernate until times were better. The Tyranids on the other hand, *might* have consumed untold galaxies before our own (which really ramps up their credibility as a threat), or they *might* be running from something nastier than they are - we simply don't know, and because we don't know any of those for certain we cannot make any sort of call.

what if the tyranids are becoming out of control of the outsider? maaby the outsider realeased them but like genestealers tyranids are becoming independent.

You know, as much as its incredibaly unlikey, i really love the idea- just the thought of both forces co-operating, seems awesome. I mean, if they were all controlled by the same thing, think of the mind boggoling conversion oppertunities... makes me want to collect a necron army...

Oh bolloks.



I dont want to start another army :( got too much on my plate already.

yea would be even more funny if the Emporer was controlled by the out sider. and hes just screwin with everyone,

Its rumored that the C'tan created the Orks, is that true?

Nope. The Old Ones created the Orks, along with the Eldar.

what about the tau?

well, what about tau?

old ones also made humans but it seems the crons messed around with the human genetic code a bit and added in the pariah gene