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AgeOfEgos wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

And, you know, the thing about a Pikachu... he's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes. Like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be living... until he bites ya, and those black eyes roll over white and then... ah then you hear that terrible high-pitched screamin'.

I don't know which of you deserves bigger kudos, the one that posted the pic, or the one with the awesome Jaws quote. I'm feeling generous, so cookies all around! *throws cookies up into the air*

Jaws, keeping fat pasty guys out of the water for 30 years...

Just kick him hard in the nads and he will run away. He is a blowhard... Pikachu ya know.

G

Black Blow Fly wrote:Just kick him hard in the nads and he will run away. He is a blowhard... Pikachu ya know.

G

Then he will call his Dad:

Kroothawk wrote:
Then he will call his Dad:

.................*loses 2D6 Sanity points. .Goes dangerously close to indefinite insanity.*

Defiler wrote:More than anything, this thread just highlights the amount of people out there that aren't ADMITTING TO pirating the original codex, that has been online and in .pdf form for the last six years.

fixed your post. i really don't see what the issue is. if you want to use allies, spend $5 on ebay and buy the codex. if not, then spend NOTHING!!!

Temujin wrote:Just go buy it on ebay before the rush of frenzied mystics reliant IG players drive the price through the roof.

How exactly would they drive the price through the roof? If they're reliant on Mystics, they'll already own the book.


It's NEW players wanting Mystics, GK's, and SoB's that will drive the price up.

Hulksmash wrote:So are you gonna allow allies in guard/marine armies or not? I'm a vote for no

You dont get much of a vote. Its pretty clear that if one shows up with a codex, its not invalidated.

carmachu wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:So are you gonna allow allies in guard/marine armies or not? I'm a vote for no

You dont get much of a vote. Its pretty clear that if one shows up with a codex, its not invalidated.

It does sort of seem to me that some of the people railing against this ruling are doing so with the ulterior motive of getting allies banned for tourney play.

Whatever1 wrote:
It does sort of seem to me that some of the people railing against this ruling are doing so with the ulterior motive of getting allies banned for tourney play.

My local blackshirt told me this straight out - that this was being done because people were abusing the rules at tournaments. Repentia in Valkyries, that sort of thing - or so he said to me.

This is very frustrating for me, of course, having just bought a block of sisters to augment my Guard force as heavy infantry. Well, I could always go for that fourth army, right?

Then he is allowing people to cheat. Repentia are never allowed to be in any vehicle (C:WH p29).

So people are pissed off that they can't powergame now unless they spend $5 or so on the original codex on Ebay?

Boo-fething-hoo. NOBODY taking Inquis. with Mystics is doing it for fluff so good riddance to bad rubbish/cheaters.

Fateweaver wrote:
Boo-fething-hoo. NOBODY taking Inquis. with Mystics is doing it for fluff so good riddance to bad rubbish/cheaters.

Are you seriously equating people using legal units to fill holes in their army/shore up weaknesses (intentionally designed or not) with cheating? Is this where I bring out the doll and ask where the bad mystic touched you?

Is this still going on?

derek wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:
Boo-fething-hoo. NOBODY taking Inquis. with Mystics is doing it for fluff so good riddance to bad rubbish/cheaters.

Are you seriously equating people using legal units to fill holes in their army/shore up weaknesses (intentionally designed or not) with cheating? Is this where I bring out the doll and ask where the bad mystic touched you?

Yeah, I have to admit, that was a bit much.

It may be beardy/cheesy/pants, but it ISN'T cheating.

This is so FUBAR I'm just going to ask the Space Emporer for a ruling.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/450/115025.page#top

Fateweaver wrote:So people are pissed off that they can't powergame now unless they spend $5 or so on the original codex on Ebay?

Boo-fething-hoo. NOBODY taking Inquis. with Mystics is doing it for fluff so good riddance to bad rubbish/cheaters.

Let's see, saying that people using legal allies options are cheaters? Check.
Making unsubstantiated sweeping assumptions about the entirety of 40k players' army fluff? Check.
Ignoring the fact that there are other units than mystics that people take as allies? Check.

You're nuts.

Fateweaver wrote:So people are pissed off that they can't powergame now unless they spend $5 or so on the original codex on Ebay?

Boo-fething-hoo. NOBODY taking Inquis. with Mystics is doing it for fluff so good riddance to bad rubbish/cheaters.

I'm going to back up Fateweaver here.

I've seen plenty of WH/DH armies, and the ones that tend to take allies do it to shore up weakness in their army list. No problem there.

However, I know the difference between a few units of sisters in an IG army versus MYSTICS in an IG army, covered in squadroned up units of ridiculous fire power, meant to turn off the deep strike phase.

Let's not play coy here, I think we know all the people who are in arms are the ones running mystics.

Everyone else playing those books either owns the original, doesn't miss use the ally system (which come next year will be obliterated as per 5th edition trends) or plays casual with friends who don't mind allies.

Defiler wrote:Let's not play coy here, I think we know all the people who are in arms are the ones running mystics.

Is that so? I run a WH Inquisitor lord and Eversor. I guess I'm just as bad as those dirty users-of-units-to-try-to-win, and must be thrown out with them, eh?

So running GKnight termis as a counter charge or running a Callidus in an IG army is WAAC now?

Well, you got me, how could I ever doubt your superior understanding of us mere doll collectors and our flawed outlooks.

insaniak wrote:
Again, because the Allies rules will be removed from the next versions of these codexes... so they have removed them from the PDF's, for the sake of anyone starting an army now to try them out, while leaving them as legal for now for the sake of those with the actual codex and an existing army.

Ding Ding Ding!

I really don't get why this is so hard to grasp for people.

Because when GW invalidate a rule in an army that many people have built their army on it has not been invalidated till the next codex.

This is the first time GW has retroactively deleted a rule from a current codex. Especially two codices that won't have an update for three more months at the soonest, most likely five or more and a second one that won't come for another 2 or so years.

And really? Now that Sisters and Grey Knights are all but removed from circulation and are the most expensive armies to collect bare none I would be shocked to find the number of collectors doesn't drop sharply to the point where they could justify them being squatted.

Kettu wrote:This is the first time GW has retroactively deleted a rule from a current codex. Especially two codices that won't have an update for three more months at the soonest, most likely five or more and a second one that won't come for another 2 or so years.

Did you hear about that whole business where Hordes of Chaos was split into Daemons of Chaos, and GW invalidated the allies rule in the Beastmen army book? The obvious difference being that the Beastmen book wasn't two editions out of date, just one.

Kettu wrote:This is the first time GW has retroactively deleted a rule from a current codex.

Except they haven't...

Temujin wrote:

Kettu wrote:This is the first time GW has retroactively deleted a rule from a current codex.

Except they haven't...

So, publishing a codex, identical to the current print version, but with rules removed, isn't a deletion from a current codex?

YES, I KNOW I CAN STILL USE ALLIES (some guy on the internets told me so!), but it just seems silly to put out a partial codex in the first place to raise the questions at all.

If the concern was for future customers (who decide to get a non-print codex and start the most expensive armies in 40k... for some reason), why not leave the codexes unaltered and attach an editors' note.

This would a) clear up any rules concerns [mostly by not raising them in the first place]
b) allow existing players to play around with allies for the next few months if they hadn't wanted to drop 20$ on a codex they weren't going to use (a tactic that might spark interest when the real codexes do come out)
c) give new collectors and current players alike the tiniest of peeks into what GW has planned for Grey Knights and Witch Hunters.

Sadly, I think c) is the only thing that even concerned them- a) and b) probably never occurred to them at all.

Now I want Demolishers and Predators in my Tyranid army .... as allies .... to compensate for the weaknesses of the Tyranid Codex
Or how about a Rhino rush Genestealer army
Oh, and Terminator Squads for the Tau, Boss mobs in deepstriking Land Raiders, and the Dark Angels jet bike for everyone, and WBB for Kroot, and and wait...

BTW scanning a part of the Codex and distributing it for free is not a different Codex, not even a Codex, as noone can seriously play the army without having the full Codex, including background and the modelling pages.

ph34r wrote:

Defiler wrote:Let's not play coy here, I think we know all the people who are in arms are the ones running mystics.

Is that so? I run a WH Inquisitor lord and Eversor. I guess I'm just as bad as those dirty users-of-units-to-try-to-win, and must be thrown out with them, eh?

Kettu wrote:So running GKnight termis as a counter charge or running a Callidus in an IG army is WAAC now?

Well, you got me, how could I ever doubt your superior understanding of us mere doll collectors and our flawed outlooks.

Way to not actually read my post.

Bottom line is : GWS arbitrarily and sometimes purposefully removes options with no real warning. If you don't want to face that, then you're just naive. Or extremely new to the game.

I haven't read every post in the thread, so this already may have been brought up, but the way they've done this appears to me to be a situation where they don't want to print another run of books due to an upcoming revision, but they still want to make the rules available for the base army, and not completely screw their retailers at the same time by sticking them with books that nobody will buy since they can just download them for free. To achieve all goals they release a PDF of the rules omitting the allies rule so there is still at least one reason for people to buy out the remaining copies on retail shelves. It may not cause a large increase in sales over just releasing a 100% complete PDF but it may pacify both sides a bit (retailers and players) during the changeover as opposed to completely giving the finger to one or the other.

Remember that until GW makes an actual official statement you have to use the most current codex they have published. Sorry.

G

I don't consider posting an incomplete PDF online "publishing" an update, though.