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Armorum Ferrum wrote:I personally don't see the Badab war as uninteresting, given it's probably one of the coolest rebellions since the Horus heresy in 40K lore. The kits are amazing and it will be cool when the participating chapters will get more fleshed out with the release of the IA book. This is the coolest release FW made since the 1st Titans

Plus, you know, there's about a page and a half of total fluff on the Badab War collected over twenty years, so the IA books are going to be filling out 90% of the details.

The only bad thing about this is that it's going to make me hesitant to start my Lamenters in case they release anything for them. I'd imagine we might just see a few combined transfer sheets for most of the peripheral chapters though.

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:What's that?

They ARE RED SCORPIONS marines?

And they ARE Honor Guard?

(Awaiting apology from Kanluwen!)

For what? Presenting an alternate explanation for a series of letters found in an image link?

You sir, are mad!

Also:

*rabble rabble rabble, Marine hate*

Why the feth does The Badab War need a book? It's always been a garbage piece of lore, and they're interrupting/canceling the Kastorel-Novem arc for this?

How asinine.

I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you refused to admit you were wrong!

It is so... unlike you!

Pft! You asked for an alternative explanation for that series of letters, and I gave you one! I didn't say it was the only explanation.

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:The Badab War is crap. Seriously. It's a joke.

If you wanted to do something from a historical angle with Renegade Marines(NOT Chaos) v. Marine--then pick something other than the Badab War. It's a terrible piece of fluff, completely uninteresting and incredibly boring.

OK, again - you've made your opinion known.

Note that this is the IA9: Badab War thread, so further ranting and ravings will be.... frowned upon.

Feel free to start threads about all that stuff that is bothering you, but please do it somewhere else.

Pretty sure that expressing disbelief and disappointment about the Badab War is still on topic though...

I'll give them a pass, however, if they do something with the Guard regiments involved with the Badab War.

Because it was most certainly not an Astartes only affair. It'll be a good birthday present for my dad though, considering he loves his Red Corsairs and his Huron model.

plastictrees wrote:

Armorum Ferrum wrote:I personally don't see the Badab war as uninteresting, given it's probably one of the coolest rebellions since the Horus heresy in 40K lore. The kits are amazing and it will be cool when the participating chapters will get more fleshed out with the release of the IA book. This is the coolest release FW made since the 1st Titans

Plus, you know, there's about a page and a half of total fluff on the Badab War collected over twenty years, so the IA books are going to be filling out 90% of the details.

The only bad thing about this is that it's going to make me hesitant to start my Lamenters in case they release anything for them. I'd imagine we might just see a few combined transfer sheets for most of the peripheral chapters though.

There’s meant to be transfer sheets for all chapters involved. With the possibility of extra characters for other chapters if the first book sells well.

i'm totally stoked about the new minis that this book is bringing us...
such cool sculpts!!!

to bad the ridiculous arguments, and pointless hate, have made it an unenjoyable read...

cheers
jah

Alright, I attended the seminar about it today, so this is what was said about the Badab books, and FW's other stuff.

Badab is two books (IA 9 and 10), and is pretty close to finished.
Also working on IA 11 - more on that in a bit.
Re-releasing IA 1.

Badab War book 1 will have lots of background and color schemes for the various chapers, rules for boarding actions, a list for Huron's traitors, and lots of special characters for the normal marine 'dex. Book 2 will have more background, schemes, and special characters, as well as a Siege list for Marines, and information on SM sieges. Also (I believe) some BSG rules. Red Scorpions are getting more upgrade packs (Honor Guard upgrade for the command squad kit and a librarian), and Huron is getting a new model. Also, to my great joy, and much amusement when I asked, Space Sharks will be showing up in the second book.

IA 11 will be Eldar and Space Wolves, set on an ice world. Pictures of some in progress stuff for Eldar was shown, including the Phantom Titan which was ridiculously huge - the base was taking up a good portion of a 2x2 Realm of Battle board, and the Falcon shown for scale was in the same size area as its feet, and an unnamed eldar light tank which looked sorta like a cross between a falcon and some of their fliers (one of the few things my phone could get a decent picture of, so that might be up in a while).

Unrelated to the above, also shown was the mother of all Grot Tanks, and a Necron model (unrelated to any book) being in production was mentioned.

plastictrees wrote:

Armorum Ferrum wrote:I personally don't see the Badab war as uninteresting, given it's probably one of the coolest rebellions since the Horus heresy in 40K lore. The kits are amazing and it will be cool when the participating chapters will get more fleshed out with the release of the IA book. This is the coolest release FW made since the 1st Titans

Plus, you know, there's about a page and a half of total fluff on the Badab War collected over twenty years, so the IA books are going to be filling out 90% of the details.

The only bad thing about this is that it's going to make me hesitant to start my Lamenters in case they release anything for them. I'd imagine we might just see a few combined transfer sheets for most of the peripheral chapters though.

Holy moly! Plastictrees! Yeah, they specifically mentioned every BW chapter getting a transfer release, probably grouped together on a few sheets. But FW sheets have TONS of transfers, so that is good. I did see brass etch for the Salamanders in a notebook.

Space Shark kits...Space Shark kits...please, kits not just transfers...

Woot!

Also, the Lufgt Huron (AKA Huron Blackheart before he became a baddie) is an amazing model. Like...gorgeous.

Oh and the Space Sharks were said to have "a different name and a new color scheme".

wow... i commented a few pages back that i'm glad forge world felt comfortable breaking up the kastorel storyline for a one off book but i'll have to reverse my decision on that one now. i was thinking that they would throw *ONE* book inbetween the story parts but i'm not for it if they're throwing in apparently 3 books and pretty much abandoning it.

as for the models, i'm intrigued by the huron model and the rest but frankly they don't have the "holy gak!" factor that others like the vraks inquisitor or the vraks khorne lord did.

Maybe IA 8 and the associated models didnt do as well as they had hoped? Cant say Ive seen much in the ways of the models in the PM Blogs

Short summary of what the Warseer thread said:

IA 9+10 confirmed being about Badab Wars, IA9 costing 74$ on pre-order. Release 27 September, IA10 probably Nov/dec.



Red Scorpions Librarian Sevrin Loth and Honour Guard




Space Marine character conversion set:


Huron model:

dienekes96 wrote:The books will have 17 Chapters in all. Space Sharks, called Space Sharks in the table of contents, will be in the second book. They have tweaked quite a few of the paint schemes, but they look real good. (...)

Boarding actions are in the book, along with several missions and an Apocalypse section. The boarding design seems similar to Planetstrike, with attacker and defender stratagems. The second book might have a campaign. Additional releases, all Marines for now, include Huron, an unseen dread, Sevrin Loth (librarian) with Honor Guard (and they are gorgeous as well), a weapon kit with bolt and a plasma pistol, and a Marine conversion kit (rh power fist, sword, knife, and some nice bionic bits - including some legs and a head). The Caestus rules will be in the second book.(...)

As for IA1, it is out of print. Paul Rudge mentioned creating an updated version of it next year. Not a rerelease, but rather a redo, with new art, newer stuff, and updated. Nothing solid, but that is what they'd like to do.(...)

For certain, the Howling Griffons, which looked great. FW is also looking at doing a transfer sheet for each of the FF chapters as well as a few sheets to cover all of the Badab chapters. And Paul mentioned the symbol for the Space Sharks was a shark eating it's own tail.

5 rebel SM chapters.
More Reaver Weapons in the long run, after Eldar Titan, Vulcano cannon priority.


Brass Etch- Salamanders, Flesh Tearers. Salamander also shoulder pads.

dienekes96 wrote:

For certain, the Howling Griffons, which looked great. FW is also looking at doing a transfer sheet for each of the FF chapters as well as a few sheets to cover all of the Badab chapters. And Paul mentioned the symbol for the Space Sharks was a shark eating it's own tail.

Lost it here a little...for certain HG transfers or for certain something else HG related?

Transfers for all first founding chapters and all chapters covered in the IA9/10. Some will get their own huge sheet, and some Chapters will have to share a sheet. Hope that helps.

whalemusic360 wrote:Maybe IA 8 and the associated models didnt do as well as they had hoped? Cant say Ive seen much in the ways of the models in the PM Blogs

There wasn't really that much released to begin with. A new Valkyrie kit, the Tauros/Tauros Venators, Grot Tanks, the Ork Kommando upgrade kit(which came out towards the end of last month), the Chinork Helicoptah, some upgrade stuff for Stompas and some assorted upgrade kits for Raven Guard.

Out of those, maybe two or three things will really see play outside of people making dioramas.

I wish that one day a "Marine Character Conversion Kit" will come out, and it will let you make either a Chaplain or a Librarian...

And Space Sharks?

Always a bit silly, but that is mostly due to their chapter badge, because if Wolves can be in Space, so can Sharks!

Of course, their new Chapter badge will help, even if it is a bit Genestealer/Tyranid-esque...

Space Sharks though have always been a joke. And not really mentioned in any 'serious' fluff since 2nd-3rd edition.

The Badab War campaign that GW did a few years back, they got completely glossed over for some Relictors instead, when it came to them building up the 'mixed renegade' squads.

Kanluwen wrote:Space Sharks though have always been a joke. And not really mentioned in any 'serious' fluff since 2nd-3rd edition.

The Badab War campaign that GW did a few years back, they got completely glossed over for some Relictors instead, when it came to them building up the 'mixed renegade' squads.

I should hope they were, seeing as they fought on the loyalist side, not the renegade.

Kanluwen wrote:Space Sharks though have always been a joke.

Tell that to the people who play them.

Tell that to the people who made some really nice Space Shark models for the Taco Bell campaign book. Hell, even Shuma plays them (but whether he does it ironically or not is another question).

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Space Sharks though have always been a joke.

Tell that to the people who play them.

Tell that to the people who made some really nice Space Shark models for the Taco Bell campaign book. Hell, even Shuma plays them (but whether he does it ironically or not is another question).

I sure would tell that to the people who play them.

If I ever saw them.

Kanluwen wrote:I sure would tell that to the people who play them.

If I ever saw them.

My point is, Kan, don't talk in absolutes. Space Sharks aren't a joke. Space Sharks are a joke too you. Don't be so quick to dismiss an entire concept or army just because you don't like it.

I mean, next you'll be telling people they can't have Deathwatch armies.

Oh wait.

Fluff says you can't have Deathwatch armies.

Because the Deathwatch isn't an army. It's a collection of specialists that are put in an organization where they will then be fielded in support of an army.

That's an absolute that has pretty much always existed.


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Also, what the hell is so special about the "Space Sharks"?
There's nothing that makes them unique enough for me to really care. It's another Codex Marines army.

What does taco bell have anything to do with this?

Kanluwen wrote:Also, what the hell is so special about the "Space Sharks"?
There's nothing that makes them unique enough for me to really care. It's another Codex Marines army.

Which makes them different from everyone else who fought in the Badab War.... how? Yeah, they've been regarded as a joke for almost as long as they've been around (which, by the way, I find kinda sad. Space Wolves is just as absurd a name as Space Sharks), but this book is the perfect time to change that. (Un?)Fortunately it means my army of them is on hold until the book comes out, as I want to see how they've messed with the color scheme.

*prays for Lamenters characters/conversion kits/transfers*

At the very least, you'll get transfers.

The "character conversion kit" looks like it'll be generic and not any one Chapter so you'll get that too.

Sarrazon wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Also, what the hell is so special about the "Space Sharks"?
There's nothing that makes them unique enough for me to really care. It's another Codex Marines army.

Which makes them different from everyone else who fought in the Badab War.... how? Yeah, they've been regarded as a joke for almost as long as they've been around (which, by the way, I find kinda sad. Space Wolves is just as absurd a name as Space Sharks), but this book is the perfect time to change that. (Un?)Fortunately it means my army of them is on hold until the book comes out, as I want to see how they've messed with the color scheme.

I do sort of agre and I am a Mangy Rabid Spacve Wolf Player that has never taken them seriosly, untill taken to seroisly by someone else.

I wonder if boarding action rules and enhanced BFG rules means......Space Hulk terrain.....

I am posting on the internet while I piece together "possessed chaos space marines marked by Nurgle" on a Saturday night.

Yep, that's about as silly as "Space Sharks".

Those models look pretty awesome and the alternate powerfists....

woo i was right about badab war, take that haters! but in all seriousness go go space sharks i like them... if only they'd do a book on the rainbow warriors....

Badab war would be awesome as a campaign!