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Regardless, I don't believe a GW rep's statement. Necrons might be close, but there's little reason to believe they'll be before Grey Knights, whom we have heard much more about.

Melissia wrote:And all of it while making both of your posts completely and utterly in every way unnecessary. Much fun times are had.

I'm still trying to figure out why you thought this would be an acceptable thing to say. The discussion in this thread seemed nice and polite until you started posting rude and unnecessarily contrary posts.

Anyway moving on

I don't think there will be a faction that is moving against the C'tan simply because the C'tan are responsible for the survival of the Necrontyr race both in leading them against the Old Ones and in convincing/tricking them into their current forms. There is just isn't any reason for them to when they owe so much to the C'tan.

As far as characters go I can see them doing something like what was done with the Tyranid codex where the ICs aren't exactly ICs they're just differant or special biomorphs. So maybe it will be like what someone said earlier where certain units will have a character that will just be a more advanced model, like a wraith character that enhances the abilities of wraiths and such and probably a Lord that's slowly been carving his way across the galaxy etc.

As far as the Avatars of the Gods go I'm not really sure about that. I can see Necron Lords maybe taking on aspects of their C'tan as I've always thought that the Necrons would be organised into legions with each legion being devoted to a specific C'tan instead of all of them together. Either way I think it's pretty safe to say that the Necrons will have some list of special abilities they can choose from.

You know, I had always thought a platinum lord in the manner GW explained the swarmlord. Code that code be sent to a variety of bodies that take its lively hood and once the body is crushed, the code is sent back to the tomb network or moved to its next needed appearance.

I would hesitate to see the necrons as grateful to the C'Tan for making them as they are now. Although they gain greatly, much was also lost. They wanted the power to dominate the Old Ones and the galaxy, instead they became slaves to a race with entirely different plans. IIRC from the codex this was/is displeasing to many Necrontyr. Id say its very possible to see in the new codex an aspect of the Necrons that have little or nothing to do with the C'Tan.

As mentioned already recent fluff (which the codex will likely be similar to) has many Necron forces operating under the motivations of their particular Lord and not any C'Tan. Who knows, maybe we will see a higher level Lord in the new codex, something more on the level of a Lord leading an entire tomb world or fleet, as opposed to the current Lord which is more like a battlefield commander.

Sorry but I don't see it. Especially with the Necrons losing apart of who they are every time they're transfered into a new body. And the Necron Lords are the favored servants of the C'tan. They woulden't have become the favored if they where hatefull and rebelous of them.

Except for the time that the C'tan were asleep for tens of thousands of years after the enslaver plagues, leaving MORE than enough time for the Necron Lords to potentially develop individual personalities, including personalities which are rebellious.

Except the Necron Lords where also asleep during that time period. Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons. Fighting against eachother for power sure, but not outright rebeling against the C'tan that's just me though

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Except the Necron Lords where also asleep during that time period. Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons. Fighting against eachother for power sure, but not outright rebeling against the C'tan that's just me though

Then GW might as well just kill the army now, because the best part of the Necrons relies on at least some of them trying to worm their way out from under the C'tans' collective thumb.

AlexHolker wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Except the Necron Lords where also asleep during that time period. Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons. Fighting against eachother for power sure, but not outright rebeling against the C'tan that's just me though

Then GW might as well just kill the army now, because the best part of the Necrons relies on at least some of them trying to worm their way out from under the C'tans' collective thumb.

Where do you get That from? It's not been in Any of the previous army fluff. I think it would be a cool concept if they put it into a new book, but the army by no means will fail if they don't.

I'd also like to know where you are getting that because it seems to me like this non existant rebelion being the coolest part is simply your opinion? and GW isn't going to can a perfetly fine (though out of date) army simply because you want a rebel faction. I've never seen anything that says that any Necrons have tried to rebel or ever would.

There is a differance between opperating independantly with a Necron Lord having some personailty and outright rebelion. And the Necrons have alot going for them without having to have a rebelous faction.

Heres an idea, regardless of how they would do it fluff wise what if they made it so that you could make your own C'tan? Say they had base stats and rules for them and then have a list of abilities as options and the C'tan could take one or two of them that would have some effect on the C'tan itself as well as its army.

Aduro wrote:Where do you get That from? It's not been in Any of the previous army fluff.

I get it from what in my opinion was the Golden Age of Necron fluff: back in 2nd edition when the Necrons were an unknown adversary that used weaponised teleporters, seemingly to collect specimens for some diabolical purpose. Then in 3rd they replaced that with thralldom to hungry C'tan. You can keep that, but I'd want the more sapient Necrons to be doing some extra collecting on the side for their own goal of breaking free of C'tan control.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:I've never seen anything that says that any Necrons have tried to rebel or ever would.

There is a differance between opperating independantly with a Necron Lord having some personailty and outright rebelion. And the Necrons have alot going for them without having to have a rebelous faction.

Because of what the Necrontyr lost when they were transferred to their metal bodies, there are two options: they did so willingly and knowing the cost, or they were tricked. The first is boring and quite frankly ridiculous, the second allows for Necrons wanting to free themselves from C'tan control.

Heres an idea, regardless of how they would do it fluff wise what if they made it so that you could make your own C'tan? Say they had base stats and rules for them and then have a list of abilities as options and the C'tan could take one or two of them that would have some effect on the C'tan itself as well as its army.

No. Of all the creatures in the 40k universe, the C'tan are least deserving of such rules. There are only four of them in existence, and only three still active. Creating "Build your own C'tan" rules while Daemon Princes get the awe-inspiring choice of Mark/Wings/Power would be a slap in the face to everyone who has to put up with the 4th-5th edition "Less is more" nonsense.

Like I said REGARDLESS of how it would be done fluff wise considering GW always has a way of changing their fluff.

And please do tell what they lost? considering their short lives where turned into the equivlant of immortality, they gained leaders who are masters of the material realm and they defeated their ancient enemies the Old Ones. Now yes by entering into their current bodies they lost all semblances of a normal life but there is almost no referance as to what normal life was in Necrontyr culture other then they where highly advanced and lived short lives.

So all I see is someone who dosen't like the fact that the Necrons aren't tailored to what he wants and so he has set about complaining and saying "It shoulden't be made anymore if I don't get what I want". The Necrons will be perfectly fine in a plot sense even without having a rebelous faction that has never existed in their fluff and dosen't need to exist. And if you don't like the fact that GW dosen't tailor to your whim there is absolutly nothing forcing you to buy the new codex when it comes out or playing the army.

That being said, just because there isn't a rebel faction in the Necron fluff (and not likely to be one) dosen't mean that a person coulden't have a rebel faction of Necrons. Especially given the new take that the fluff indicates some Necron Lords believe themselves to be gods, it would make sense that one Lord (believing himself a god) would set out to try and destroy the other C'tan. It isn't really a instance of rebelion but instead of insanity/dillusion.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Like I said REGARDLESS of how it would be done fluff wise considering GW always has a way of changing their fluff.

And I told you anyway because trying to ignore the elephant in the room renders the whole question useless.

And please do tell what they lost?

Their right to self-determination. Their existence as more than slaves to the will of the C'tan.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons.

Yeah because GW never changes/rewrites/forgets what it has put forth for fluff already...

Never say never with GW, otherwise you get hit on the head by a Deepstriking Land Raider...

CT GAMER wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons.

Yeah because GW never changes/rewrites/forgets what it has put forth for fluff already...

Never say never with GW, otherwise you get hit on the head by a Deepstriking Land Raider...

Or a Monolith that can go :gasp: 7!!!!! inches

I dont agree with the "Chaos Necrons" idea at all. You guys play way to much Space Marines if you ask me. The Necrons are all about their all powerful C'Tan, and I very much doubt they would change that huge of an advantage.




I really hope they are next, or damn close anyways. Ive been a pretty big fan of the Necrons for years, and I feel bad for them at present, they really need some umph. Any why nerf the Warscythe exactly? Its the only power weapon type weapon they can take isnt it? (not counting the Ctan or tomb spyders) And its not as if the Necron Lord gets a million attacks. So big deal youll loose 2ish guys a turn WHOA!!!!! STOP THE KILLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CT GAMER wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons.

Yeah because GW never changes/rewrites/forgets what it has put forth for fluff already...

Never say never with GW, otherwise you get hit on the head by a Deepstriking Land Raider...

Good thing I didn't say never then isn't it

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

And please do tell what they lost?

The Lords are the only ones who retain any semblance of their former self. The warriors are mindless automatons, the immortals are pretty much the same. Instead of masters of the galaxy they became slaves. Sounds like a big loss to me...

First thing people need to realize and accept is GW doesnt care for past history & fluff, and they WILL rewrite it to suit their current whim. They have done it before, they will do it again. Deal with it, its gonna happen. Period.

The biggest reason I see the C'Tan getting some big changes in roll is because players overall dont like them. Sure, they have great stats and get used in games, but overall they have been poorly received. People just dont care for them. Necrons lost a lot of fun and cool factor when the C'Tan got added. I remember loving Necrons when they were new, then when the codex with the C'Tan came out my first thought was "WTF is this bull...".

GW needs to add more dimension to the Necrons besides just being C'Tan slaves in order to broaden their appeal. If they dont the only market they will have is current Necron players updating their army, and the venture of the new releases will be a huge financial loss.

Necrons being stuck as nothing more than C'Tan slaves would be like making all SM Ultramarines, all Orks Goffs, all CSM Khorne Beserkers, etc. All the other races have many aspects to them, even the Tau.

As they sit now Necrons are almost pointless. They are nerfed almost beyond use. The "theme" of the race is one dimensional and frankly a bit weak. The only things currently going for them is cool models that are easy to paint.

However, they have huge potential.

Heres what Im thinking we will see, could be right or wrong, only time will tell.

1) New/retconned fluff

2) They get their firepower back, at least most of it.

3) C'Tan get a less prominent role in general, esp on the 40K level.

4) C'Tan possibly moved to Apoc level, possibly with at least the Void Dragon being added. Which is where they deserve to be, after all they are semi-gods and 40K cant really capture the power they should have.

5) More personality and independence from at least the Lords.

6) Last but not least...new models with plastics replacing many or all of the metals. Likely new units as well.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Sorry but personally I don't think there will ever be a rebelous faction of the Necrons.

Yeah because GW never changes/rewrites/forgets what it has put forth for fluff already...

Never say never with GW, otherwise you get hit on the head by a Deepstriking Land Raider...

Good thing I didn't say never then isn't it

Acually:

"don't think there will ever be"= never

You just said in six what could be said with one.

CT GAMER wrote:Never say never with GW, otherwise you get hit on the head by a Deepstriking Land Raider...

QFT and sigged

I'm having serious doubts any of this is true. I'm taking this with a bag of sodium chloride

Hmmm funny I thought me saying that "don't think there will ever be" ment "don't think there will ever be" not Never. Thank you for telling me what I said when in fact I didn't say it.

As far as the Necrons losing out so much you forget that they where servants to the C'tan prior to being turned into the Necrons. So saying that they became slaves instead of masters dosen't really work because 1. They where already slaves, 2.They gained immortality and 3. It is better to sit at the right hand of the devil then in his path. While they may be slaves to the C'tan they where still masters of the galaxy at one point and given enough time could do it again.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Hmmm funny I thought me saying that "don't think there will ever be" ment "don't think there will ever be" not Never. Thank you for telling me what I said when in fact I didn't say it.

Just wow...

Ok, fine. Since you don't seem to get it I will explain so its nice a clear for you.

If I had said "It will never happen" that is speaking in terms of an absolution. That is saying something as if my word is law and as soon as I say something it automatically becomes the way things are. It's speaking as if I had said something wouldn't happen there is no possible way it could.

But saying "Sorry but personally I don't ever think that there will be a rebelious faction of the Necrons" Is stating my opinion, beings as my opinion is not an absolution that means that it is possible it could happen I just don't think it ever will. And in case you can't see it there is a differance.

One is saying there is no chance it could ever happen. The other is saying it could but I don't think it ever will.

Now since we've had this little lesson in understanding what's been said I suggest that you get over the fact that I didn't say it would never happen. Stop making faces and comments as if I was a complete idiot. And let the thread continue on as normal.

Even if a Necron Lord does rebel, the C'tan would merely need to lift a finger and crush whats left of him, recycle him and retrive the rogue army.

But gauss weapons always wound on a 6! The C'tan doesn't stand a chance!

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:Ok, fine. Since you don't seem to get it I will explain so its nice a clear for you.

If I had said "It will never happen" that is speaking in terms of an absolution. That is saying something as if my word is law and as soon as I say something it automatically becomes the way things are. It's speaking as if I had said something wouldn't happen there is no possible way it could.

But saying "Sorry but personally I don't ever think that there will be a rebelious faction of the Necrons" Is stating my opinion, beings as my opinion is not an absolution that means that it is possible it could happen I just don't think it ever will. And in case you can't see it there is a differance.

One is saying there is no chance it could ever happen. The other is saying it could but I don't think it ever will.

Now since we've had this little lesson in understanding what's been said I suggest that you get over the fact that I didn't say it would never happen. Stop making faces and comments as if I was a complete idiot. And let the thread continue on as normal.

Feel better?

Good, now we can get back to discussing Necrons...

Of all things, Tyranids might actually be something closer in terms of personality to the Necrons. Individual Hive Tyrants have degrees of freedom from the Hive Mind, but still cannot outright rebel against it. Lords are the same to the C'tan. Giving individuality to the Necrons might cause backlash to the fluff people, since they are suppose to be soulless killing machines. However like everyone's already pointed out, GW does things on a whim.

I heard the C'tan was going to be written out of the book, since rule-wise they couldnt be properly represented (without people calling shenanigans at how "weak" they seem in-game).

samrtk wrote:Even if a Necron Lord does rebel, the C'tan would merely need to lift a finger and crush whats left of him, recycle him and retrive the rogue army.

I'm not sure it would be as easy as that but exactly

If the Necrons coulden't rebel against the C'tan when they where alive how would they be able to when they are for the most part machines.