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Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:By new C'tan they mean that players would be able to take the Void Dragon or the Outsider. But this dosen't make much sense in that the Void Dragon is trapped on Mars and recent fluff (rulebook) has shifted away from the C'tan and more in favor of individual Necron Lords.

Tycho is dead, but the new Blood Angels book has rules for him again. Don't let things like trapped or dead get in the way of selling models.

-Matt

I would absolutely love to see a new Necron codex come out next and I don't think it would be too far of a stretch to think that they might come before Grey Knights...

Speaking from the owner at my FLGS, he also heard from a GW rep that Grey Knights were NOT going to be the next codex released.

The new Tomb Stalker looks absolutely beautiful.

GW doen't really have to give us a Marine codex next since the focus in Feb will be the 2nd phase of Blood Angels.

The latest White Dwarf features a Necron battle report and for the life of me I can't remember the last time I saw the Necrons featured in a White Dwarf battle report.

Other than Witch Hunters and Daemon Hunters it is the oldest codex out there.

Why not April-May for Necrons?

April-May would be cool My birthday

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Sorry to quote this so long after the fact....But new c'tan? How the feth is that even possible? I thought it was well established that there are only like four c'tan left Void dragon, nightbringer, deciever and the other one are basically it...

But it's possible that that old fluff was retconned. Idk.

When was the first time you heard of Sternguard Veterans? Or Vanguard Veterans?

Or marines riding giant wolves?

GW has zero problem with shoehorning anything and everything into the existing background - expect the unexpected!

Wolflord Patrick wrote:I would absolutely love to see a new Necron codex come out next and I don't think it would be too far of a stretch to think that they might come before Grey Knights...

Speaking from the owner at my FLGS, he also heard from a GW rep that Grey Knights were NOT going to be the next codex released.

The new Tomb Stalker looks absolutely beautiful.

GW doen't really have to give us a Marine codex next since the focus in Feb will be the 2nd phase of Blood Angels.

The latest White Dwarf features a Necron battle report and for the life of me I can't remember the last time I saw the Necrons featured in a White Dwarf battle report.

Other than Witch Hunters and Daemon Hunters it is the oldest codex out there.

Why not April-May for Necrons?

I'm afraid to ask who won.

I am not sure about necrons being next. But again rumors are just that.

CT GAMER wrote:

Ashryu wrote:Hardcore necron players have gotta be pretty frustrated at this point.

How long did Orks wait for the current dex?

Are the Necrons equalling that wait yet?

That the Ork's frustration was greater, does not lessen the Necron's.


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Automata wrote:Probably that it's a Heavy Support choice so no Monoliths for you. =P

Also, first post. =) (Actually from Finland, not Denmark. I'm just an exchange student right now.)

Welcome to DakkaDakka!.

HawaiiMatt wrote:Tycho is dead, but the new Blood Angels book has rules for him again. Don't let things like trapped or dead get in the way of selling models.

There's a distinct difference between "dead since the Third War for Armageddon" and "dead since the Cretaceous Period".

Plus, Tycho has fought in wars (as a Captain and as a Death Co. leader), and they are all about giving players the option of "historical" recreations. The Void Dragon has not in the history of the Imperium.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the fluff change.

They need to have the 'Great Grey Day's and release both the necrons and grey nights. It would have a catchy title and I'm sure they could come up with some battle fluff between the two of them. I think that everyone would be happy this way.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:By new C'tan they mean that players would be able to take the Void Dragon or the Outsider. But this dosen't make much sense in that the Void Dragon is trapped on Mars and recent fluff (rulebook) has shifted away from the C'tan and more in favor of individual Necron Lords.

BUT I think it would be possible to make a new C'tan unless the machinery used to make the originals was destroyed by the remaining 4.

Anyway I can't wait for the new Necron dex. I've slowly been collecting a Necron army on the side for the last few years in anticipation of the day that the new dex would come out. The only things I haven't bought are wraiths, flayed ones, pariahs and C'tan. Of course half of those can be converted from warriors.

But I hope the rumor is true, I've got so tired of waiting I've started making up my own units

Anyone else wanna bet that the Tomb Stalker will be in the new dex just like the Pirhana and Skyray was for Tau.

As cool as the Void Dragon fluff is, I really love the idea of the Lords being the ones calling the shots. Goes a long way to giving them some personality, something the Necrons desperately need. I am also looking forward to the new codex, minis, fluff, etc so I can continue my army.


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Azure wrote:They need to have the 'Great Grey Day's and release both the necrons and grey nights. It would have a catchy title and I'm sure they could come up with some battle fluff between the two of them. I think that everyone would be happy this way.

Not sure that would work...arent GK more aimed at daemons and chaos than stuff like Necrons?

Mad4Minis wrote:As cool as the Void Dragon fluff is, I really love the idea of the Lords being the ones calling the shots. Goes a long way to giving them some personality, something the Necrons desperately need. I am also looking forward to the new codex, minis, fluff, etc so I can continue my army.

Something I've suggested elsewhere is that they could have two sub-factions within the Necrons: those who are 100% under the thrall of the C'tan, and whose Lords can act as a conduit for their C'tan's powers, and those who survived with more of their personality intact, who don't get access to the Essence of the C'tan abilities but can take a Wolf Guard-type unit of lesser sapient Necrons. Retcon the fluff for the Gauss Flayer back to the 2nd edition version and you've got two groups, both harvesting life for the C'tan, but one also harvesting sentient life for their own experiments, to try to fully free themselves from the C'tan.

^ I hope that's the case. My necron army's bakground fluff is very much anti-C'tan, would be nice to see that view legitamized in a codex.

AlexHolker wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:As cool as the Void Dragon fluff is, I really love the idea of the Lords being the ones calling the shots. Goes a long way to giving them some personality, something the Necrons desperately need. I am also looking forward to the new codex, minis, fluff, etc so I can continue my army.

Something I've suggested elsewhere is that they could have two sub-factions within the Necrons: those who are 100% under the thrall of the C'tan, and whose Lords can act as a conduit for their C'tan's powers, and those who survived with more of their personality intact, who don't get access to the Essence of the C'tan abilities but can take a Wolf Guard-type unit of lesser sapient Necrons. Retcon the fluff for the Gauss Flayer back to the 2nd edition version and you've got two groups, both harvesting life for the C'tan, but one also harvesting sentient life for their own experiments, to try to fully free themselves from the C'tan.

Thats workable. I am hoping for something along the lines of finding the C'Tan control waning, they take the opportunity to establish their own empires. Of course, existing races empires make great sources of raw materials...

Any which way they go will have to be a step up from what we have now.

And it makes sense, there are multiple Tomb Worlds (an undisclosed number) and only 2 C'tan who are known to be active so how could the 2 control EVERY Necron Legion. So it just makes sense that the Necron Lords would be more individualised and more ambitious when on their own, especially if say the god they served was consumed by the Nightbringer and they're left to their own doings.

I imagine the latest Battlestar Galactica will help with the robots breaking away from the norm.

AlexHolker wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:As cool as the Void Dragon fluff is, I really love the idea of the Lords being the ones calling the shots. Goes a long way to giving them some personality, something the Necrons desperately need. I am also looking forward to the new codex, minis, fluff, etc so I can continue my army.

Something I've suggested elsewhere is that they could have two sub-factions within the Necrons: those who are 100% under the thrall of the C'tan, and whose Lords can act as a conduit for their C'tan's powers, and those who survived with more of their personality intact, who don't get access to the Essence of the C'tan abilities but can take a Wolf Guard-type unit of lesser sapient Necrons. Retcon the fluff for the Gauss Flayer back to the 2nd edition version and you've got two groups, both harvesting life for the C'tan, but one also harvesting sentient life for their own experiments, to try to fully free themselves from the C'tan.

That's not a bad idea. And, this way you could use the Void Dragon and Outsider by having their tabletop models be "Avatars" or lords that are channeling the power of these cthonic beings, regardless of their present location.

Prophecy07 wrote:That's not a bad idea. And, this way you could use the Void Dragon and Outsider by having their tabletop models be "Avatars" or lords that are channeling the power of these cthonic beings, regardless of their present location.

Having read more about the fluff for the Void Dragon, I'd say under no circumstances should its thralls be able to channel its power. If your setting has Prometheus make Zeus his and lock him in a box for humanity's benefit, this should be a game changer, and not in the gods' favour. If you're going to put something this awesome in the fluff, you should make damn good use of it.

Well, you guys have to remember, when made into robots, the C'tan Manipulated the Necrontyr's thoughts to their will. Then, the tomb words separated.

Ashryu wrote:Hardcore necron players have gotta be pretty frustrated at this point.

No more than Dark Eldar were before, or Sisters and Grey Knights are now.

Mewiththeface wrote:Well, you guys have to remember, when made into robots, the C'tan Manipulated the Necrontyr's thoughts to their will. Then, the tomb words separated.

I wouldnt be surprised to see a major overhaul of Necron fluff. One of the biggest things that has hurt them ever since the last update is the whole "slaves to the C'Tan" deal. Thats a major turnoff. It makes them very one dimensional with zero room for personalization or customization.

I would expect the C'Tan to become a very optional part of a Necron army, similar to chaos gods in CSM. You can play an army favored by a particular god, or you can do a chaos undivided army. It would make a lot of sense to redo Necrons the same way. Maybe give them gifts or favors from the 4 different C'Tan, again similar to chaos.

Perhaps even add in a couple special characters. There have been enough major Necron battles and uprisings that surely some have stood out and become noteable. Maybe a couple Lord SCs, perhaps a SC from immortals, pariahs, etc as well.

Necrons have the potential to be a very attractive army, all they need is the firepower they used to have, a bunch more flexibility, and a huge dose of personality...hopefully we will see all of that in the new codex. Along with some nice new models as well.

Kurgash wrote:

Wolflord Patrick wrote:

The latest White Dwarf features a Necron battle report and for the life of me I can't remember the last time I saw the Necrons featured in a White Dwarf battle report.

I'm afraid to ask who won.

It was a competitive event with the WD team against the design studio, so obviously both sides brought their A-game.

Mad4Minis wrote:Perhaps even add in a couple special characters. There have been enough major Necron battles and uprisings that surely some have stood out and become noteable. Maybe a couple Lord SCs, perhaps a SC from immortals, pariahs, etc as well.

I'm in favour of this. Give the Essence of C'tan X to the thralls, and give the special characters to the sapient Necrons.

I'd like to see a faction of Necrontyr who are moving against the C'tan. Oh, they still hate all life in the galaxy and hey're perfectly fine with galactic genocide, they just don't want to be slaves to the C'tan and want to free their race from the servitude..

I don't want GW to phase out the C'tan entirely, they should still be the leading factor of the Necrons; only have them in Apoc, with insane rules for swatting titans, and entire Guard regiments and such. They should be so good they're almost illegal, some cheese for Apoc would be nice, cause Necrons just don't have it down in that sector.

Codex-wise, I'm a big advocate for the Avatars of the C'tans, Lords who represent their god within the Necrons, perhaps make them MCs that move as Jump Infantry with a whole array of specialized wargear to that one god, that way each Avatar/Herald will be immensely unique. Only allowed to field one of the four in a game (0-1).

There should still be the bog standard Lords who choose from the regular Lord armoury for the smaller point games, and perhaps as being an almost Lieutenant like HQ to the Avatar Lords.

There's not much personality you can give Necrons, and I like that, I don't know why. Lords, Immortals and some Pariahs should retain some of their personalities however, however twisted they will have become.

This thread will be locked shortly for wishlisting.

Oh, I never said C'tan should be removed, I merely meant that there should be a faction within the Necrons opposing the C'tan.

Melissia wrote:Oh, I never said C'tan should be removed, I merely meant that there should be a faction within the Necrons opposing the C'tan.

He's talking about alot of other people who are advocating that move.

I'm sure he can speak for himself.

Melissia wrote:I'm sure he can speak for himself.

I can assure you, it wasn't aimed at you. It wasn't aimed at anyone, but an idea, I just decided to rapid fire my opinions over the thread.

samrtk wrote:

Melissia wrote:I'm sure he can speak for himself.

I can assure you, it wasn't aimed at you. It wasn't aimed at anyone, but an idea, I just decided to rapid fire my opinions over the thread.

And thus we come to an understanding, goodness.