Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Rail= Str 10+AP1+D6=strong.

You would AVERAGE a glance/pen hit against a Monolith, the most heavily armoured unit in the game. AND it's TL. And XV88 team has three of the TL railgun. with targeting array they have 89% chance to hit, without, 75%.

Average of 10+D6 is 13,5 which means you're averaging a nothing/glance.

AP1

you. forgot. the. AP1.

AP1 means nothing until you have glanced/penetrated, so you're still getting 13.5 average.

Avatar 720 wrote:AP1 means nothing until you have glanced/penetrated, so you're still getting 13.5 average.

Makes it more killy.

Plus, three railgun hits per round. I mathhammered this to hell, not sure why we're still talking about it.

I MHammered it as well on the previous page (and also just looked over your calculations, could you explain how you got 16.02 hits per game (defining what 'game' is, as it can be anywhere from 5 to 7 turns) and 8.01 penetrating hits per game? The calculations below are what I got for each turn of the game), you get:

1 Turn - 0.888221889 Total Penetrating hits
2 Turns - 1.776443778 Total Penetrating hits
3 Turns - 2.664665667 Total Penetrating hits
4 Turns - 3.552887556 Total Penetrating hits
5 Turns - 4.441109445 Total Penetrating hits
6 Turns - 5.329331334 Total Penetrating hits
7 Turns - 6.217553223 Total Penetrating hits

From 3 Broadsides with Targetting Arrays, note that this requires the Monolith to have no cover and all 3 broadsides to be in range, have LoS, be able to shoot every phase and to take no casualties.

Avatar 720 wrote:I MHammered it as well on the previous page (and also just looked over your calculations, could you explain how you got 16.02 hits per game (defining what 'game' is, as it can be anywhere from 5 to 7 turns) and 8.01 penetrating hits per game? The calculations below are what I got for each turn of the game), you get:

1 Turn - 0.888221889 Total Penetrating hits
2 Turns - 1.776443778 Total Penetrating hits
3 Turns - 2.664665667 Total Penetrating hits
4 Turns - 3.552887556 Total Penetrating hits
5 Turns - 4.441109445 Total Penetrating hits
6 Turns - 5.329331334 Total Penetrating hits
7 Turns - 6.217553223 Total Penetrating hits

From 3 Broadsides with Targetting Arrays, note that this requires the Monolith to have no cover and all 3 broadsides to be in range, have LoS, be able to shoot every phase and to take no casualties.

Range is never a problem with 72" range.

I accidentally added AP1 to the first roll not the damage roll. That's where it went off.

I based on a six round game.

Same diff tho, since with the AP1 added, half then Pens are kills. And a six round game, that's your 5.329, half are kills, ~2.75. That's even better than the 2.67 I got.

5.329/2 = 2.6645, so essentially 2.67, but not quite (unless you rounded).

However, this does mean that your broadsides take no casualties whatsoever, just 1 casualty will knock that right down, as will any cover saves granted to the monolith and any turns where you cannot shoot.

Avatar 720 wrote:5.329/2 = 2.6645, so essentially 2.67, but not quite (unless you rounded).

However, this does mean that your broadsides take no casualties whatsoever, just 1 casualty will knock that right down, as will any cover saves granted to the monolith and any turns where you cannot shoot.

That's why you take 3 broadside teams. Enormous weight of fire.

Also 720pts, 825pts if you give each unit a team leader and 2 shield drones. All it takes is something deep-striking in with plasma to ruin your day, a drop pod carrying a rune priest with Jaws would be equally as bad, and outflanking tie-up troops can be annoying too.

Now I understand the cries of Space Wolves being broken - THEY HAS DA MONOLITHS!

Avatar 720 wrote:Also 720pts, 825pts if you give each unit a team leader and 2 shield drones. All it takes is something deep-striking in with plasma to ruin your day, a drop pod carrying a rune priest with Jaws would be equally as bad, and outflanking tie-up troops can be annoying too.

Yes but nine railguns that re-roll to hit can break just about any vehicle, or most regular squad, since 89% accuracy means ~8 hits per round, and str 10 AP1=instakilla to almost any infantry, w/ only inv. saves to protect them.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Also 720pts, 825pts if you give each unit a team leader and 2 shield drones. All it takes is something deep-striking in with plasma to ruin your day, a drop pod carrying a rune priest with Jaws would be equally as bad, and outflanking tie-up troops can be annoying too.

Yes but nine railguns that re-roll to hit can break just about any vehicle, or most regular squad, since 89% accuracy means ~8 hits per round, and str 10 AP1=instakilla to almost any infantry, w/ only inv. saves to protect them.

5th edition is all about the free-n-easy cover save. Assuming you're shooting them all into the same unit, you just spent 825 pts killing 3-4 models. You shouldn't brag about your anti-tank shots killing infantry unless it is something like a Vindicator/Manticore, as you're not wasting the shot.

Nine railguns SHOULD break just about any vehicle in a game, and often has a good chance, except for smoke launchers, cover saves because of the long distance/likelyhood of intervening terrain, and a damage table that doesn't really make things easy.

somerandomdude wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Also 720pts, 825pts if you give each unit a team leader and 2 shield drones. All it takes is something deep-striking in with plasma to ruin your day, a drop pod carrying a rune priest with Jaws would be equally as bad, and outflanking tie-up troops can be annoying too.

Yes but nine railguns that re-roll to hit can break just about any vehicle, or most regular squad, since 89% accuracy means ~8 hits per round, and str 10 AP1=instakilla to almost any infantry, w/ only inv. saves to protect them.

5th edition is all about the free-n-easy cover save. Assuming you're shooting them all into the same unit, you just spent 825 pts killing 3-4 models. You shouldn't brag about your anti-tank shots killing infantry unless it is something like a Vindicator/Manticore, as you're not wasting the shot.

Nine railguns SHOULD break just about any vehicle in a game, and often has a good chance, except for smoke launchers, cover saves because of the long distance/likelyhood of intervening terrain, and a damage table that doesn't really make things easy.

Railguns have PERFECT stats, especially with TL. If you fire them all at a vehicle. Don't bother rolling. Remove it.

Melta bombs are in the "weapons" for SM codex and the Codex says to look them up in the BRB. The BRB says that Melta Bombs have 8+2D6. It doesn't say strength 8, just 8 in the armor penetration. I think it would be a little unfair if it was assumed 0S+1D6 with a Melta bomb vs the Monolith. So, I would say you get 8+1D6 vs the Monolith.

Biotox wrote:Melta bombs are in the "weapons" for SM codex and the Codex says to look them up in the BRB. The BRB says that Melta Bombs have 8+2D6. It doesn't say strength 8, just 8 in the armor penetration. I think it would be a little unfair if it was assumed 0S+1D6 with a Melta bomb vs the Monolith. So, I would say you get 8+1D6 vs the Monolith.

Yeah, because AP 8 makes less than no sense. If anything, that would be giving an advantage to the target...

EMP grenades. Nuff said.

WHY IS THIS THREAD STILL GOING? LOL! I havent even bothered offering my comments as it is a silly argument to think you get the 2d6 on a monolith. I swear there is one argument a month on people trying to find holes in the 1 vehicle the necrons get. Give it up and play! It is Necrons just kill the warriors and make them phase out! Problem solved!

Tomb King wrote:WHY IS THIS THREAD STILL GOING? LOL! I havent even bothered offering my comments as it is a silly argument to think you get the 2d6 on a monolith. I swear there is one argument a month on people trying to find holes in the 1 vehicle the necrons get. Give it up and play! It is Necrons just kill the warriors and make them phase out! Problem solved!

Or you can just make a fandex with an uber cheap character who's every attack is more powerful that a vortex missile...look up its stats...models are automatically removed...wow...