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imweasel wrote:

Brother Dvorn wrote:Yes, no?

I recommended dumping 2 pf's, upgrading the redeemer to a crusader and adding another th/ss termie.

I second this. I used to run power fists in my Tac Squads---until I realized they still lost against pretty much anything. If you combat squad due to mission----it becomes very easy to lose that PF as well.

I might take the fists out, but would removing a landspeeder, and then using the points for a terminator librarian, with null zone and another power, and it could mean I could split them off and use them a a second tag team out of the crusader.

If you went with a libby---my advise would be to keep him in PA---and keep him the LR. When you cast Null Zone from a Raider---it gives you even more coverage---and Libbys just suck in HTH---even Term variants.

However, if you really want to go with a Term Libby---buy him a SS. It's cheap, makes him a bit more durable---and gives you a decent save against Perils.

Yeah I was going to give him a storm shield, if I take him, but was considered having a thunderfire cannon/ master of the forge instead, as he can fix the landarider from the inside, and lend a couple of bs 5 plasma pistol shots, or even a combi melta.

Brother Dvorn wrote:Yeah I was going to give him a storm shield, if I take him, but was considered having a thunderfire cannon/ master of the forge instead, as he can fix the landarider from the inside, and lend a couple of bs 5 plasma pistol shots, or even a combi melta.

*Shrug*, could be fun. Normally I trash Thunderfires as the artillery rules are weak sauce----but some dude at Adepticon ran 3 of them and did ok---so who am I to say anything?

Hah, it was more for the model I made and painted more than anything, but would the libby be worth the loss of a landspeeder?

Brother Dvorn wrote:Hah, it was more for the model I made and painted more than anything, but would the libby be worth the loss of a landspeeder?

Well, a MM/HF Speeders = 70 IIRC----while a Term Libby w/ SS = 145 (?). So you should ask yourself if he's worth two speeders---in a Vulkan lists that force multiplies them. I don't think there is an answer for that---just up to you. Null Zone can just utterly wreck some armies----but in the end play with what you want. It will always work better for you if you enjoy playing it .

Well 2 fists from the tacticals would cover his costs along with the speeder.

I might just do as imweasal suggested, but the plasma cannon or autocannon on the dreads are still bugging me with indecision

There is nothing wrong with dumping all 3 power fists and a speeder (total of 145pts), especially if you could come up with another 5 pts.

If you could come up with the 5 points, that means a libby in power armor (100pts) with null zone and avenger, upgrade the redemmer to a crusader (now 110pts) and adding another th/ss termie (150pts total).

Well worth it imo.

The 5pts could come from the plasma cannon squad. It could be a good idea, and means I don't have to paint another landspeeder
I was also thinking gate of infinity could be a better power than avenger, as in gives me redundacy if the land raider dies. No termie armour would give me more attacks if neccessary too

Brother Dvorn wrote:The 5pts could come from the plasma cannon squad. It could be a good idea, and means I don't have to paint another landspeeder
I was also thinking gate of infinity could be a better power than avenger, as in gives me redundacy if the land raider dies. No termie armour would give me more attacks if neccessary too

Gate will be useful in very limited situations. Avenger will almost always be useful.

It's a no brainer to take avenger.