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Vasarto wrote:Pretty sure I read it as when purifiers go into combat it was they all take armor saves...Maybe I read that +4 save part wrong.

Yes. Yes you did. You read it horribly, horribly wrong.

Anyway, Most of what I saw had WS 6+ That I know I did not read wrong.

Then you know incorrectly.

Trust me, That codex is OP'ed.

Judging by your horrid track record, trusting you is the last thing I'd do on this subject.

Sure a lot of the models were high cost but for how powered they are I think they are just right.

Then there's not much to complain about, now is there?

I went through six pages and everyone on each page had +6 WS accompanied by good states and higher BS as well.

See above, love.

Of course I may had exaggerated a little here and there but

Yes. You certainly did.

...dang man...why cannot I have a WS 8 character?!

Because judging by your Avatar, you play Space Wolves. And your characters should be hitting on threes anyway.

Vasarto wrote:
Anyway, Most of what I saw had WS 6+ That I know I did not read wrong. Trust me, That codex is OP'ed.

No, you did read it wrong. I've got it in front of me. The vast majority of the stuff is WS4, WS6+ is pretty much *only* on the GK HQ's and the Assassins. Paladins/Dreadknights/Venerable Dreads/Librarians/Arco Flagellants and Justicar Thawn are WS5, the Assassins and GK HQ's are WS6+. Everything else (e.g. Terminators, PAGK's, Purifiers, Henchmen, Dreads, etc) is WS3 or WS4.

I went through six pages and everyone on each page had +6 WS accompanied by good states and higher BS as well.

You might want to recheck that. All the vehicles are BS4 except the Venerable Dread, and every unit is BS4 except Henchmen, Assassins, and some of the HQ's. There are 8 WS6/7/8 units in the army, all of them Assassins or Grey Knight HQ's/SC's.

Of course I may had exaggerated a little here and there but...dang man...why cannot I have a WS 8 character?!

For which army? Space Wolves? They hardly need it, lets be honest they aren't exactly lacking for much with their current book in any way shape or form. Anyways, does it matter in most situations? It's irrelevant against 98% of units.

Also, you already have a wargear item that allows you to hit anything on 3's regardless don't you? If you've got that, the only time WS8 would matter over WS6 is if fighting WS1/2/3 stuff or WS7+ stuff hitting you back.

Also one of the psychic powers were pretty awesome too. It was...warp...something. Cant remember it exactly but it was pretty nice! Probably close to how good JOTWW is.

Yes it's good, and more of the same "init test or die" crap, but it also requires the Psyker to be *significantly* closer to their target than JOTWW and can't snipe models either.

Im not looking forward to the obvious lists people will make, but i am looking forward to rail gunning me some dread knights (: and maybe have my carnifex charge head long into one to see just what might happen :p

xVoid

I'm not looking forward to Purifier Squads at all, they have the answer for everything:

Purifiers x10: 5 Halberds, 4 Psycannons, Razorback, TL-Assault Cannon, Psybolt - 370

Combat squad this, and you've got 2.5 very effective scoring units. Purifiers with Halberds pretty much wreck my current Space Wolf build which relies on Grey Hunters with all the toys in Razorbacks. Their ability to swing @ I6 with halberds will just wreck my entire unit before I get a chance to swing. 4 Str 7 TL Rending shots is nasty, and the shooty side puts out 8 str 7 rending shots on the move. Yeeouch.

Because of this my tournament armies will probably have to be completely shooty. That's of course if they end up being a popular as Blood Angels, which I think they might be even more-so.

Having psychic defense in an absolute must have now as well. Rune Priests are now the first thing I put into my list.

ChaosxVoid wrote:Im not looking forward to the obvious lists people will make, but i am looking forward to rail gunning me some dread knights (: and maybe have my carnifex charge head long into one to see just what might happen :p

xVoid

carnifex? probably die before it can even retaliate... force weapon + str 10 at ini 4? Railgunning though....

Griever wrote:I'm not looking forward to Purifier Squads at all, they have the answer for everything:

Purifiers x10: 5 Halberds, 4 Psycannons, Razorback, TL-Assault Cannon, Psybolt - 370

Combat squad this, and you've got 2.5 very effective scoring units. Purifiers with Halberds pretty much wreck my current Space Wolf build which relies on Grey Hunters with all the toys in Razorbacks. Their ability to swing @ I6 with halberds will just wreck my entire unit before I get a chance to swing. 4 Str 7 TL Rending shots is nasty, and the shooty side puts out 8 str 7 rending shots on the move. Yeeouch.

Because of this my tournament armies will probably have to be completely shooty. That's of course if they end up being a popular as Blood Angels, which I think they might be even more-so.

Having psychic defense in an absolute must have now as well. Rune Priests are now the first thing I put into my list.

Such a Purifier unit isn't exactly cheap at 370pts. You can get a kitted mechanized IG platoon for that many points or two 6 man 5x ML Long Fang squads with HB Razorbacks for the same price.

That said, I don't think most people are going to see something that knocks Greyzorhunterback lists as a bad thing.

Purifiers units are such a bargain... I mean... Why one would ever pick a purgation unit?
For 4 more points you get very powerful psychic power, MUCH cheaper special weapons (psylencer for free and psycannons for half the cost), two attacks and better leadership...

Ok, you need a full unit to field 4 special weapons but... Since they're that good I really wonder why you wouldn't want one? I mean, they can even be made troops with a not to costly character...

I can see many usefull ways of kitting them out...
full psycannons + halberds for a flexible squad.
halberds and falchions + a couple inci for hordes
And then you have the transports... Probably some kind of razorback for the first setup, to deliver the CC component and a rhino for the second, to tackle hordes.

[Edit: now really... Have I missed something about purgation squads? beside the fact that they can take a teleport homer, they don't seem much useful... Though their power is cool, the fact that their weapon at most hit at 24" means that it's quite useless. Though it would be fun with incinerators... astral aim through a building and drop template... Astral aim grants you 4+ cover but incinerator ignores cover... Lulz ensue ]

GeckoOBac wrote:

ChaosxVoid wrote:Im not looking forward to the obvious lists people will make, but i am looking forward to rail gunning me some dread knights (: and maybe have my carnifex charge head long into one to see just what might happen :p

xVoid

carnifex? probably die before it can even retaliate... force weapon + str 10 at ini 4? Railgunning though....

I know i just wanted to see my carni run in like a crazy beast...and railgunning may do well 2 xv-88 plus hammerhead all at once has to be enough to take down optimus pri..i mean dreadknight

ChaosxVoid wrote:

GeckoOBac wrote:

ChaosxVoid wrote:Im not looking forward to the obvious lists people will make, but i am looking forward to rail gunning me some dread knights (: and maybe have my carnifex charge head long into one to see just what might happen :p

xVoid

carnifex? probably die before it can even retaliate... force weapon + str 10 at ini 4? Railgunning though....

I know i just wanted to see my carni run in like a crazy beast...and railgunning may do well 2 xv-88 plus hammerhead all at once has to be enough to take down optimus pri..i mean dreadknight

Yeah well dunno how many shots it's that but in truth it all depends on the luck on the invul roll. 5+ though isn't much

All luck of the roll i guess im not sure how many shots it is now as i have not played tau since last edition.