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tarnish wrote:

Laodamia wrote:
There is a big difference between making a bike go faster because it is red and making said bike jump 45 meters high and smash through half a dozen layers of void shields and a ceramite armor plating the thickness of a wall.

Nonsense. Orks are nonsense.

To be fair, there was a cliff but yearh its... a bit much...
read the story and he catches fire from penetrating the void fields and then hits the cockpit, killing left and right. his bike is a monster i might add, easily 3 times the size of a normal one with anti tank guns. but still.... its a bit much.

Ork's, Tau, and Necrons will always be a bit much for me. However they all have their place in this universe. No matter how small (Tau)

ChrisWWII wrote:

Fury_00011 wrote:The tau making an alliance with the dark eldar ouch!

I thought that actually worked. Showed how horribly naive the Tau are.

It happens...

The Emperor destroyed an entire Legion because he thought they had turned on him. Only to find out later the warnings sent were true and Horus had really betrayed him.
Is he naive to a fault?

Even in real life we make mistakes, Adolf Hitler was time magazines man of the year at one point... Later we found out just how big a mistake that was.


When facing an unending horde of tyranids you look for allies! When the Dark Eldar emerged from the webway offering their help the Tau had every reason to trust them. They were a highly intelligent race that looked like humans and had weapons to help out. For obvious reasons they knew the Dark Eldar weren't helping the Nids so they gave em a shot. When the Dark Eldar asked for something as civilized as a cultural exchange the Tau readily agreed. Pretty honest mistake imo.

purplefood wrote:Because, he is a scary badass... sorry psychopath not badass.
Seriously though if you were under the command of a guy who could send millions to their death and still sleep well at night wouldn't you have second thoughts in taking him on?
Not only that but he would probably send twice the amount of people at you to take you down.

Since he leads from the front I wonder why on earth he isn't fragged.

Melissia wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:What's the most idiotic thing you have ever saw of heard in 40k?

The entirety for the fluff for the Sons of Malice.

Completely Agree.

I'll take it a step further though and say most if not all of the background material created for "Renegade Marines" is complete crap. Especially the blurbs in the Chaos Space Marine codex. (Huron and the Redcorsair's are the one renegade sect I like)

The worst one, to me, is The Purge
"They despise life in all its forms"
Really, Purge? The Necrons already exist and they are much better at hating all life than you, because they are not alive.
Also, their insignia:

This, as well as a little of their fluff, makes it seem as though they are linked to Nurgle. But Nurgle in no way shape or form hates all life. Nurgle loves life, death only serves him in the form of decay and that doesn't offer him nearly as much as all of the human emotion from misery, despair and sloth.
And the Purge are also supposed to be responsible for killing 14,000,000,000+ Imperial citizens... really?
Even in 40k terms that's alot of folks. These jerks would have been hunted down mercilessly by the Imperium and annihilated.

I will admit that I am incredibly biased though. I wish they never would have gone back to the proliferation of random "Renegade" Marines and would have just left Chaos Space Marines with the original 9 Traitor Legions and the only real force of renegade Marines being those that follow Huron Blackheart.

ShaiAhlude wrote:Matt Ward's fluff.



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I agree with is as a whole

The fact that a tau ethereal exposed himself in a warzone and was beaten by a single midget with a sniper rifle (ratling, described in the ig codex)

Henners91 wrote:

purplefood wrote:Because, he is a scary badass... sorry psychopath not badass.
Seriously though if you were under the command of a guy who could send millions to their death and still sleep well at night wouldn't you have second thoughts in taking him on?
Not only that but he would probably send twice the amount of people at you to take you down.

Since he leads from the front I wonder why on earth he isn't fragged.

His is reported to have a rather scary side arm... people whisper about it and everything...

Even in real life we make mistakes, Adolf Hitler was time magazines man of the year at one point... Later we found out just how big a mistake that was.

The "Man of the Year" vote from Time magazine does not base its review on the morality of the subject, but simply on the terms of "what one individual in the past year has caused the biggest effect on the world as a whole"... it would be very hard to argue that, in the years of WW2, there was no other man for that slot than Hitler. Every other major world character at the time rose in reaction to Hitler.

In short, Time magazine wasn't celebrating Hitler or even honoring him, simply pointing out that this one guy was responsible for turning the world on its head.

I would say the most idiotic thing I've seen in 40k was the so called Tyranid invasion that ate the Squats. It wasn't even storyline driven. It was anti-creativity driven.

It doesn't really work as an explanation of what happened to them because the Squat Homeworlds covered a very large part of the Galaxy. Any hive fleet that would have been able to eat that many worlds would have certainly drawn the attention of the Imperium and it would certainly have been enough Tyranids to eat a large portion of the Imperium too.

Of Necrons and man: Someone about a page ago thought that the Necrons were fighting alongside the BA/allowing them to defend pylons; that is, and purplefood pointed out, not this story. But it is, however a true bit of fluff on a different set of planets: Cadia. There is an abundance of Necron pylons/tech on Cadia and it's surrounding systems, that is what keeps the Cadian gate and eye of terror in place/in check; the Necrons know that their are humans on Cadia, and know that those humans are defending the pylons from Chaos; they allow it(and during the Eye of terror campaign/Abaddons 13th BC, actually helped to defend some despite being on the side of the "Forces of Choas/Disorder"). This whole bit makes sense, honestly; the necrons are free from having to fight the IOM on/around cadia to reclaim their tech as they know the IOM will defend it to the man: which is all the necrons need of it.

Very little of the fluff really irks me: BA/Necron Bromance is one of them, As is Space Wolf recruitment(They don't necessarily recruit young enough, and in fact most of them seem to have been recruited far too old). Finally is Alpharius-Omegon: most that have defended it to me cite the whole "1 soul in 2 bodies" which does not address my issue with their having been 21 Primarch bodies(I can buy the 1 soul, it is the 2 bodies I hold issue with).

Hang on...
What did i point out?

purplefood wrote:Hang on...
What did i point out?

It was actually Revenent Reiko that pointed it out

Oh well then...
That's much better.
Unless he was arguing against me, in which case he is totally wrong and all.

Brother Coa wrote:What's the most idiotic thing you have ever saw of heard in 40k?

To me it's the Taros campaign. The amount of disorganization between the Imperial troops was so great that mid-eval army could defeat them. And they even have Space Marines that they use completely wrong...

After that, I suppose Eldar in DoW II ( first one ). Instead of coming to Thule and asking for help - they do everything to doom Human worlds. In the end Imperial defeat Tyranids, Orks and Eldar... And they do that without using half of their chapter...

Actually the way the Eldar acted in DoW 2 makes sense from an Eldar PoV. Remember the Eldar would kill billions of humans to save a handful of Eldar. That's what they try to do in DoW 2. Their problem is they didn't bring enough fire power, and they brought out the Avatar too late.


Anyway, I think the whole idea of Grey Knight Purifiers is silly. They are GK's that are even more pure ad incorruptible than regular GK's. But all Grey Knights are supposed to be pure and incorruptible. Also, the whole Bloodtide bit annoys me. Killing SoB should never be part of the GK's plan.

Purple: I am just used to you pointing out that The necron/BA bromance was what it was.

Also I just assume it is you when someone points out that things are not what the false hype makes them out to be(when one actually reads the fluff).

Revnent Reiko: I am sorry for mis-attributing your contribution to another poster.

Right then...
Yeah alliance of convenience, got it.

Declaring the Knights of blood renegade.

Kanluwen wrote:
It's not "one man" who did it in a one on one fight with a Daemonic Primarch(and for the record: Mortarion? He was a pushover. The Primarchs had 'differing power levels' by all accounts, and Mortarion was pretty low on it).

You really don't like Mortarion do you Kan ?

Kanluwen wrote:
Mortarion was regularly beaten in the training cages by his own Marines.

Where did you get that from?

Mortarion might not have been the best combatant, but he certainly wasn't a push over.

Most idiotic thing? The Word Bearers and Night Lords being trusted to side with the loyalists on Istvaan V.

And the updated Grey Knights stuff

purplefood wrote:Oh well then...
That's much better.
Unless he was arguing against me, in which case he is totally wrong and all.

this made me laugh.

NUFF SAID

thankfully Matt didn't smoke that extra joint when he submitted the codex... 0_o

Kommissar Kel wrote:Purple: I am just used to you pointing out that The necron/BA bromance was what it was.

Also I just assume it is you when someone points out that things are not what the false hype makes them out to be(when one actually reads the fluff).

Revnent Reiko: I am sorry for mis-attributing your contribution to another poster.

No worries dude, easily done, easily forgiven

xXSir MontyXx wrote:

purplefood wrote:Oh well then...
That's much better.
Unless he was arguing against me, in which case he is totally wrong and all.

this made me laugh.

Me too!

physcosamatic wrote:

NUFF SAID

This literally had me LOLing.

On topicness: I have to add one to the 'GKs murdering SoBs' list.

The Space Puppies fighting the Dark Angels in Sons of Fenris. The Wolves are annoyed about their world being blockaded, but the Angels are not killing innocents, only those who fight back. Why did you fight them?

And, on the Puppy bashing, the Wolfven (sorry if I spelt that wrong)? Oh, come on. That's so ridiculously unoriginal, Space Marine Werewolves? It's rubbish!

Ok I'm done, my soapbox broke.

Unoriginal in what sense?
And in Sons of Fenris all the SW saw was the DA attacking one of the worlds under their protection, it's pretty stupid neither side tried to talk first but Da were more to blame there than anyone else.

Small, Far Away wrote:That's so ridiculously unoriginal, Space Marine Werewolves?

Um...
Please tell me about the Space Marine Werewolf Vikings that were around before the Space Wolves.

GW uses themes from all over Fantasy, Sci Fi and Pop Culture.
Thus we have Space Marine Viking Werewolves, Space Marine Angel Vampires, a Primarch who is Batman/Colonel Kurtz, a Gaurdsman who is Rambo -the One Man Army, an Imperial guard unit that is The Dirty Dozen and lots of other references and themes.

40k is rife with the stuff and it is in most cases used quite well. Viking werewolf space marines is an excellent and quite original mix of themes, it combines 3 things i love.
Now not all people love these things, but there are many other armies out there and there is sure to be a theme that suits everyone.

Tau getting close to winning. thats a laugh.

Pilau Rice wrote:
Most idiotic thing? The Word Bearers and Night Lords being trusted to side with the loyalists on Istvaan V.

The Word Bearers had been exemplary in service on the Crusade for the preceding 40 years. They had Imperial observers with them who found no faults even.

The Night Lords had already been declared renegades though, so no one's sure how that happened.

The Grey Knights little grey box that might save the Imperium or bring it to its knees. HERP DERP

DarknessEternal wrote:

Pilau Rice wrote:
Most idiotic thing? The Word Bearers and Night Lords being trusted to side with the loyalists on Istvaan V.

The Word Bearers had been exemplary in service on the Crusade for the preceding 40 years. They had Imperial observers with them who found no faults even.

The Night Lords had already been declared renegades though, so no one's sure how that happened.

But at a time when Primarchs are turning traitor your once best friend, who is now one of them, hands you a golden nugget you choose to ignore it. That's the stupid thing about it