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iproxtaco wrote: False Gods.

thanks loads iproxtaco

Orks.

How these green-skin idiots that couldn't even find their as*** with a map and a compass are able to build guns and space-ships will always amaze me.

Yeah, I know, genetic memory and all that. Well let me tell you it's the worst excuse for a scientific explanation I have ever heard.

zilegil wrote:Nurgle. The gods of chaos are meant to be based on an emotion, or thought. Illness is not an emotion.

-Apathy
-Despair
-Dread
-Fear
-Complacency
-Love (in a family sense)
-Companionship
-Humour

Need I go on?

It's been said before but I'll toss in my two pence worth.... The GK fluff is, frankly, insultingly bad. I mean, Birmingham! Really?!

I vote Tau in general. I don't understand how a galaxy-spanning game can consider a race occupying such a jokingly small part of space can be considered a valid enough force to be a 40K army. Sure, they have technology and tactics. But, seriously, how can you even consider making them part of epic, sweeping battles, or legitimate threats? How can you make them part of a campaign with multiple planets and stars when the book specifically states every solar system they occupy? And any one of these things can be individually forgiven, but the worst is seeing the writers writing themselves against a wall for no apparent reason. Why on earth would you decide to make them so puny?

Additionally, if they're supposed to be some "covenant" style conglomeration of races, why only have two others featured? As in, the bear minimum of what would be considered a valid use of "other races". Two more would be considered acceptable to me. And one of those two could very well be a human force. Or anything else. There are also veiled references in fluff of other races of "empires"... how about putting them in? Or getting rid of Tau and making a new race? Lizardmen in space?

The second aspect is the loyalist's Space Marines fighting each other over really dumb things, or the fact that a handful of featured chapters have their own codex and are notoriously hard to beat without an army custom made to do it. Like the White Scars, if I wanted a chapter to play I would paint and army list it appropriately. Use those funds you get from overcharging me to come up with new, effective races.

Sothas wrote:Draigo.

One man, I don't care who you are, should not have the ability to carve anything into a primarchs chest (unless you're a primarch of course). His story, while understood to show the sheer awesomeness of GKs, its stupidly over the top.

The silliest thing I've ever read in relation to 40k is forum comments. It goes to show that people either go off of second or thirdhand accounts and don't read the material themselves before getting in a tizzy about it.

It's not "one man" who did it in a one on one fight with a Daemonic Primarch(and for the record: Mortarion? He was a pushover. The Primarchs had 'differing power levels' by all accounts, and Mortarion was pretty low on it). This was done in the midst of a battle where the Grey Knights were winning.

IvanTih wrote:Almost every IA sucks.Even the Nid IA is known for downgrading Nids(the most pathetic Bio Titan ever seen)

What? The Hierophant was apparently pretty capable since it...y'know, was the key to the Tyranids destroying the facility on Anphelion.

and I always wonder why did the Eversor suddenly forgot to bring a spare clip.

Operation Deathblow and its targeted assassination of the Tau higher-ups, you mean?

The whole reason Shas'o R'myr was not killed is because he wasn't in the command post when the Eversor self-destructed.

I don't think you can bring a 'spare clip' for a self-destruct.

The whole Vraks thing is the worst piece of fluff(Vindicares have shield piercing rounds you FW idio** and that's from their codex).

Shield piercing rounds don't do anything when another steps in front of the target.

zilegil wrote:Nurgle. The gods of chaos are meant to be based on an emotion, or thought. Illness is not an emotion.

This is not true. You are meddeling with forces more powerful than you can possibly imagine .

InquisitorRoeth wrote:
Most idiotic thing in the 40k universe? I'll give you a two word answer:

Tau Empire

My brother....

This. Stupid Ward madness.
(although, its an awesome picture right? )

Nothing really.

I love Warhammer 40K. Every race no matter how silly it looks at times has a good fit in the universe created by GW and its fans. Even Matt Wards fluff has its place. Though I may not be a fan, I still enjoy the ongoing stories that give us all something to complain or boast about. Take Tau for example, you may hate them because they pants the IoM from time to time, but how boring would it be if you had one less enemy to fight? Game would lose a little bit of what makes it cool imo.

Why the ultrasmurks are so loved yet were the least successful legion adn act like pompus oduches yet are the 'heroes'

InquisitorRoeth wrote:

Sothas wrote:Draigo.

One man, I don't care who you are, should not have the ability to carve anything into a primarchs chest (unless you're a primarch of course). His story, while understood to show the sheer awesomeness of GKs, its stupidly over the top.

And in the old fluff, one Justicar by himself could slay a Greater Daemon. Why can't a GRAND MASTER carve a name into a Daemon Primarch's heart? Grey Knights are meant to be over the top. Personally, I like Draigo's fluff (please don't attempt to kill me for saying that. It's just my opinion). Yeah, Ward wrote some ridiculous fluff for the Knights, but besides the Sister slaying and covering their armor in their blood, I liked the fluff (again, please don't kill me for saying that).

Anyways, back on topic for me now.....

Most idiotic thing in the 40k universe? I'll give you a two word answer:

Tau Empire

I was about to inform you how your life was about to end, then I read the last two words and litterally ROFLed. So you're safe now.


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Kanluwen wrote:The silliest thing I've ever read in relation to 40k is forum comments. It goes to show that people either go off of second or thirdhand accounts and don't read the material themselves before getting in a tizzy about it.

It's not "one man" who did it in a one on one fight with a Daemonic Primarch(and for the record: Mortarion? He was a pushover. The Primarchs had 'differing power levels' by all accounts, and Mortarion was pretty low on it). This was done in the midst of a battle where the Grey Knights were winning.

Wait seriously? You're saying that a Primach is a pushover? Mortarion being less than other Primarchs? Yeah ok. But being a pushover compared to any other space marine? Using the basis that a justicar can slay a greater daemon as a footing for the idea than Draigo can carve his forbearers name into Mortie's heart is rediculous. Justicars being able to kill a greater daemon is rediculous too FYI. Also, I have read the fluff. I own the dex. I didn't get this info from following a forum. GJ on being an a**.

Sothas wrote:Wait seriously? You're saying that a Primach is a pushover? Mortarion being less than other Primarchs? Yeah ok. But being a pushover compared to any other space marine?

Mortarion was regularly beaten in the training cages by his own Marines. Very few members of the Death Guard were considered particularly skilled fighters by the rest of the Legions. Stubborn? God yes. Tough? Of course.

But skilled fighters? Not really. The fact that Mortarion was regularly beaten by his own Marines pretty much says it all in terms of how much of a pushover he was.

Using the basis that a justicar can slay a greater daemon as a footing for the idea than Draigo can carve his forbearers name into Mortie's heart is ridiculous. Justicars being able to kill a greater daemon is ridiculous too FYI.

So wait. Marines who've specialized and trained nonstop in fighting Daemons can't put the smackdown on a Daemon Primarch?

Also, I have read the fluff. I own the dex. I didn't get this info from following a forum. GJ on being an a**.

Then I'd suggest you go back and reread the fluff. Because you clearly missed something in reading it the first time. It really isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

Or you're just jumping on the Draigo hate train and ignoring the fact that in the Ork Codex by Phil Kelly, an Ork Warboss castrated a Bloodthirster.

Again, you're assuming. I'm not discounting the rediculousness of anything else. I'm just point out this rediculousness. There's lots of it in 40k. The GW writers don't quite understand the concept of TOO big. Take Commorragh for example. Draigo walking around the warp like he owns the place is pretty over the top.

Also, this is an opinion thread. You're free to stop being an a** hat at any time now.

I'm not actually assuming.

It's in "Flight of the Eisenstein". Garro talks about how Mortarion is considered to be a 'fair' fighter by Astartes standards. But...that's not going to put him on par with anyone else.

And Draigo walking around the Warp like he owns the place is because the Chaos Gods are letting him. They find him amusing.

Kanluwen wrote:I'm not actually assuming.

It's in "Flight of the Eisenstein". Garro talks about how Mortarion is considered to be a 'fair' fighter by Astartes standards. But...that's not going to put him on par with anyone else.

And Draigo walking around the Warp like he owns the place is because the Chaos Gods are letting him. They find him amusing.

To be honest the thing that made me rage most about it was why Mortarion is OUT WALKING AROUND OUTSIDE THE EYE in the first place.

I mean, it's canon that Angron is the only Daemon Primarch who does the whole 'attack realspace' thing. Wouldn't it be a much bigger deal if Mortarion decided to join in too?

Sothas wrote:Also, this is an opinion thread. You're free to stop being an a** hat at any time now.

Rule No.1
its not difficult, stop being inflammatory because someone has a different opinion to you please.

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Sothas wrote:Also, this is an opinion thread. You're free to stop being an a** hat at any time now.

Rule No.1
its not difficult, stop being inflammatory because someone has a different opinion to you please.

I'm not. He basically called me an idiot for my opinion. Read further up.

ChrisWWII wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I'm not actually assuming.

It's in "Flight of the Eisenstein". Garro talks about how Mortarion is considered to be a 'fair' fighter by Astartes standards. But...that's not going to put him on par with anyone else.

And Draigo walking around the Warp like he owns the place is because the Chaos Gods are letting him. They find him amusing.

To be honest the thing that made me rage most about it was why Mortarion is OUT WALKING AROUND OUTSIDE THE EYE in the first place.

I mean, it's canon that Angron is the only Daemon Primarch who does the whole 'attack realspace' thing. Wouldn't it be a much bigger deal if Mortarion decided to join in too?

Magnus is constantly attacking Fenris or coming up with shenanigans for it.
The others probably orchestrate some attacks at the very least. The only ones we know definately don't do anything are Lorgar and possibly the primacrh of the emperor's Childern whose name i forget for some strange reason.

@Sothas:I have read the whole thing, its you continuing it, be the bigger man(/woman, stupid internet i cant tell either way sorry) and let it go.


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purplefood wrote:

ChrisWWII wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I'm not actually assuming.

It's in "Flight of the Eisenstein". Garro talks about how Mortarion is considered to be a 'fair' fighter by Astartes standards. But...that's not going to put him on par with anyone else.

And Draigo walking around the Warp like he owns the place is because the Chaos Gods are letting him. They find him amusing.

To be honest the thing that made me rage most about it was why Mortarion is OUT WALKING AROUND OUTSIDE THE EYE in the first place.

I mean, it's canon that Angron is the only Daemon Primarch who does the whole 'attack realspace' thing. Wouldn't it be a much bigger deal if Mortarion decided to join in too?

Magnus is constantly attacking Fenris or coming up with shenanigans for it.
The others probably orchestrate some attacks at the very least. The only ones we know definately don't do anything are Lorgar and possibly the primacrh of the emperor's Childern whose name i forget for some strange reason.

Fulgrim

purplefood wrote:
Magnus is constantly attacking Fenris or coming up with shenanigans for it.
The others probably orchestrate some attacks at the very least. The only ones we know definately don't do anything are Lorgar and possibly the primacrh of the emperor's Childern whose name i forget for some strange reason.

Well yes, but coordination and orchestration are very different from being on the front lines where the Grey Knights can come punch you in the face.

The second part of Draigo's fluff that pisses me off the most is the 'daemons fear him' part. You can justify him beating Mortarion, and his continual wandering of the Warp, but how do you justify that 'daemons fear him' part?

Sothas wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Sothas wrote:Also, this is an opinion thread. You're free to stop being an a** hat at any time now.

Rule No.1
its not difficult, stop being inflammatory because someone has a different opinion to you please.

I'm not. He basically called me an idiot for my opinion. Read further up.

I said "silly", actually. I find the idea of this thread being "the most idiotic thing" ridiculous.

It should be "the silliest thing".

And honestly your post was used as an example because it's a perfect example of a situation blown out of proportion. A huge amount of people whining about Mat Ward's fluff haven't even read the relevant piece in the Grey Knights codex.

ChrisWWII wrote:To be honest the thing that made me rage most about it was why Mortarion is OUT WALKING AROUND OUTSIDE THE EYE in the first place.

I mean, it's canon that Angron is the only Daemon Primarch who does the whole 'attack realspace' thing. Wouldn't it be a much bigger deal if Mortarion decided to join in too?

From what I can tell, they're making it so that Angron is the only Daemon Primarch who 'does the whole attack realspace thing' with no actual Daemonic infestation on the planet to work with.

The fact that Mortarion was there made it seem like it was part of a huge daemonic incursion orchestrated by the Death Guard.

purplefood wrote:The reason the Soul Drinkers went renegade...

Spoiler:

Some Imperial Navy captains conspired with a less than forthcoming Mechanicus Magos to steal an artifact that belonged to the Soul Drinkers from under their very noses.
Then after the Soul Drinkers had struck back an Inquisitor who was bent on making them an example more than finding the truth and punishing the guilty parties over-reacts and declares them rogue.
Bloody stupid reason to lose an entire chapter.

UselessSage wrote:

purplefood wrote:The reason the Soul Drinkers went renegade...

Spoiler:

Some Imperial Navy captains conspired with a less than forthcoming Mechanicus Magos to steal an artifact that belonged to the Soul Drinkers from under their very noses.
Then after the Soul Drinkers had struck back an Inquisitor who was bent on making them an example more than finding the truth and punishing the guilty parties over-reacts and declares them rogue.
Bloody stupid reason to lose an entire chapter.

Spoiler:

I don't think any of the non-AdMech forces had a clue what that AdMech had planned until after the AdMech absconded with the Soul Spear. What was idiotic was they way the Soul Drinkers reacted. If they had just calmed the f*** down and formally complained to everyone and anyone up and down the entire IoM command structure it would have most likely ended in a multi-Chapter (many (all?) Imperial Fists successor Chapters), Inq and Imperial Navy asking in increasingly unfriendly ways for the AdMech to return the bauble to the Soul Drinkers.

What i dont get about the Draigo fluff is that hes actually wandering the warp. since when is that even remotely possible? he doggy-paddles around the endless ocean looking for things to kill? i can stomach the whole badass routine but it seems noone even bothered explaining the warp to matt in the first place. That flaw is so basic it baffles my mind.

tarnish wrote:What i dont get about the Draigo fluff is that hes actually wandering the warp. since when is that even remotely possible? he doggy-paddles around the endless ocean looking for things to kill? i can stomach the whole badass routine but it seems noone even bothered explaining the warp to matt in the first place. That flaw is so basic it baffles my mind.

The Warp isn't just the Sea of Souls, within the Eye of Terror there are worlds which are daemon-infested or twisted to the whim of daemons, but still very much real.

Some of the stuff about the Void Dragon.

I mean, emperor duffs over a huge necrodermis dragon that can eat planets, then stuffs the non-physical form into a cave on Mars, which starts leaking out uber-tech-things and is worshipped by the mechanicus as the machine spirit, but the dragon cannot leave the cave, but at the same time has no body so becomes part of the cave itself, so the void dragon is imprisoned in a cave, and the cave is now the void dragon so the void dragon is imprisoned in a cave that is now the void dragon but it cannot break out of itself because it is part of the cave....

wha...?

UselessSage wrote:

purplefood wrote:The reason the Soul Drinkers went renegade...

Spoiler:

Some Imperial Navy captains conspired with a less than forthcoming Mechanicus Magos to steal an artifact that belonged to the Soul Drinkers from under their very noses.
Then after the Soul Drinkers had struck back an Inquisitor who was bent on making them an example more than finding the truth and punishing the guilty parties over-reacts and declares them rogue.
Bloody stupid reason to lose an entire chapter.

Spoiler:

I don't think any of the non-AdMech forces had a clue what that AdMech had planned until after the AdMech absconded with the Soul Spear. What was idiotic was they way the Soul Drinkers reacted. If they had just calmed the f*** down and formally complained to everyone and anyone up and down the entire IoM command structure it would have most likely ended in a multi-Chapter (many (all?) Imperial Fists successor Chapters), Inq and Imperial Navy asking in increasingly unfriendly ways for the AdMech to return the bauble to the Soul Drinkers.

That's not actually why the Soul Drinkers went renegade at all I'm afraid.

See http://www.blacklibrary.com/Exclusive-Products/Collectors-Editions/Daenyathos.html ( if you ever can) for full details.

Even if it was i don't really see or why the hubris of a mortal is a "stupid" reason for a chapter to be declared rogue.

Some of the Imperial Armour whines are pretty silly. Oh noes, the Imperium loses a badly planned, underequiped crusade against a well prepared foe on Taros ( and no, bad luck played only a small part in this campaign, the lack of avaiable regiments and resources was more important)! Oh noes! The Siege of Vraks is so unrealistic because...erm...the Emprah's forces there need more than a bunch of Spessmehreens to win! /o\

But to answer the op's question, there are many things within the current fluff which i find idiotic.
- Shadowsun defeating an entire splinterfleet without the loss of a single vessel...
- M'Kar's punching bag status, seriously, never has a daemonprince been less threatening ( at least until the Chapter's Due, i liked him there. But the novel has several discrepancies with other sources, which is sad )
- The Soul Drinkers novels, the adventures of Captain Mutant and his merry band of X-men wannabes...
- and my absolute favourite: "Let no good deed go unpunished, let no evil deed go unrewared"...*shudder*, poor Chaos players :(

The tau making an alliance with the dark eldar ouch!