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snurl wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:yeah, the new trend seems to be 8 unique magic items for each army book.


we probably should have seen it coming after they added the massive common magic item section in the BRB. it actually makes sense now why they expanded it so much.

If they do this to the Dwarf Runes there will be an outright revolt.

Oh they will, also hope you're ready to enjoy the Lore of Runes...

My issue with the magic items isn't necessarily the number of them, it's the cost of each of them. The cheapest one is 25pts (all others are 50pts+ IIRC) which makes them prohibitively expensive for lower points value games. Not everbody plays 2.5k games. For me, wanting to play 1000-1500pts, I'm basicially stuck with the vanilla BRB items.

HoverBoy wrote:

Oh they will, also hope you're ready to enjoy the Lore of Runes...

<<Red Zeke suffers aneurysm.>>

Now now.

all you stunty players,


remember what happened to your cousins the Squats. they got a little uppity and you know what happened to them. Hive Fleet Retconn showed up.

you wouldn't want them Gobbos and Skaven to all of a sudden be given awsome 1+ plot armor saves and invade all your precious mountain strongholds would you???

snurl wrote:Just read the new book and I gotta say dissapointed.
The magic items are gutted from before, down to 8. Why?
The wonderful magic system is out the window, replaced by the standard fare. Dont make it too confusing for the kiddies I guess. Bah.
I read the arguments but it still seems to me that Neferata got nerfed bigtime.
The one redeeming quality of the whole thing is that Settra is much easier to employ now, as his cost and limited magic were prohibitive before.

1. I think they are going with more BRB magic items and less army book magic items for overall game balance. Game is a lot more balanced with each army if their are less special items in each book. Although I do feel like it takes something away from each army.

2. The old tomb king system of magic would be incredibly broken in 8th edition with breaking concentration on dispelling. In 7th you could normally dice off with TK. In 8th it would not be possible. they roll a 1-2 their spell can potentially go off, you try rolling one dice against them and have a 33% chance of failing to dispell. Again its for more balance across the board.

Overall I am liking the direction the two 8th edition army books have taken. I would personally prefer more magic items, but for overall health of the metagame I see why they are limiting the specific army books.

ShivanAngel wrote:

snurl wrote:Just read the new book and I gotta say dissapointed.
The magic items are gutted from before, down to 8. Why?
The wonderful magic system is out the window, replaced by the standard fare. Dont make it too confusing for the kiddies I guess. Bah.
I read the arguments but it still seems to me that Neferata got nerfed bigtime.
The one redeeming quality of the whole thing is that Settra is much easier to employ now, as his cost and limited magic were prohibitive before.

1. I think they are going with more BRB magic items and less army book magic items for overall game balance. Game is a lot more balanced with each army if their are less special items in each book. Although I do feel like it takes something away from each army.

2. The old tomb king system of magic would be incredibly broken in 8th edition with breaking concentration on dispelling. In 7th you could normally dice off with TK. In 8th it would not be possible. they roll a 1-2 their spell can potentially go off, you try rolling one dice against them and have a 33% chance of failing to dispell. Again its for more balance across the board.

Overall I am liking the direction the two 8th edition army books have taken. I would personally prefer more magic items, but for overall health of the metagame I see why they are limiting the specific army books.

Agree 100%, but do you not agree that a better range (points wise) of magic items would've been better? As I said earlier, the TK specific items are so expensive (bar one, which is only useful conditionally) that you can't really take them in low points games.

I can see it going both ways (giggity)...

Granted there are less options in low point games, however, most games I see going on are 2000+, I rarely see under that being played unless its two new players learning.

I wouldnt mind one cheap item per book.

yeah, the magic items are awfully expensive.


I only hope Big names arn't lumped in with the magic items. that would suck.


if they keep them seperate we are all good.

Ogres only have about 7-8 magic items that are worth taking anyway.

only a couple of the Big names are taken too, simply because Mawseeker is awsome.

Anyone tryed khatep yet?
He seems like something you really want to take. Atleast you can be 100% sure you get all TK spells you want.
But I think I have to try him before celebraring.

-unforgiven-

What I don't fear is the army magic item change (even though I loathe it).

What I fear is that GW will get to Bretonnians / Vampire Counts / Skaven / whatever, and go "HAHA VOW / BLOODLINE / CLAN POWERS!" and thus technically "keep" 6-8 magic items a book... while such armies then get another two pages of customization options.

Or, alternatively, they instead just cut out said bloodlines / clans / whatever entirely, and do the 40K "SPECIAL CHARACTERS FOR EVERYTHING!" bit.

Well with gw's track record, better be ready for some fears to be true

the unforgiven wrote:Anyone tryed khatep yet?
He seems like something you really want to take. Atleast you can be 100% sure you get all TK spells you want.
But I think I have to try him before celebraring.

-unforgiven-

Havebn't seen him used, but having duplicates of the Buff spells can only be a good thing.

with the magic weapon that regenerates wound on a character, it says that if the character is at full wounds already, he gets the "regeneration special rule." But which regen is it? 4+, 5+, or 6+

pretty sure regen is 4+ unless it says otherwise.

yeah, the Regeneration rule in the BRB says that its 4+ unless otherwise specified.

Yeah, it's +4 unless specified.

I don't think that MW is that great anyway, give me the Golden Deathmask anyday.

The golden deathmask is cool and all but I think it is overpriced. If it could also stop stedfast I would be willing to pay the 60 points for it to take an almost naked king. The 50pt sword is cool and does earn its points healing the king and giving him regen. However, it allows saves so loses some of the splendor.

Tomb King wrote:The golden deathmask is cool and all but I think it is overpriced. If it could also stop stedfast I would be willing to pay the 60 points for it to take an almost naked king.

40 points left is hardly naked. Still plenty of points for a +5 Ward and a couple of toys. And while it does not break Steadfast, it brakes what makes Steadfast broken: Use of General's Ld and BSB. Go look on other threads/forums where people hate on Steadfast. A general consensuses is that it would not be so bad if the unit could not use the general's Ld; and taking away your opponent's BSB leaves him to the mercy of his dice.

Tzeentchling9 wrote:

Tomb King wrote:The golden deathmask is cool and all but I think it is overpriced. If it could also stop stedfast I would be willing to pay the 60 points for it to take an almost naked king.

40 points left is hardly naked. Still plenty of points for a +5 Ward and a couple of toys. And while it does not break Steadfast, it brakes what makes Steadfast broken: Use of General's Ld and BSB. Go look on other threads/forums where people hate on Steadfast. A general consensuses is that it would not be so bad if the unit could not use the general's Ld; and taking away your opponent's BSB leaves him to the mercy of his dice.

There is another excellent use for the mask: combine it with Nekaphs Herald of Despair ability, theres a pretty good chance your WS6 guys will be up against WS1 opponents if you do! It's a pretty strong bonus if it works out.

I think it is kind of silly to have the settra's herald who cant take a chariot.... even though that is the only way you can take settra. Fluff wise it is stupid.

Ill have to look into what I can do to get the mask in my list. The only way I see it working out real well is to throw it into a solid block of chariots or somehting.

Tomb King wrote:I think it is kind of silly to have the settra's herald who cant take a chariot.... even though that is the only way you can take settra. Fluff wise it is stupid.

Ill have to look into what I can do to get the mask in my list. The only way I see it working out real well is to throw it into a solid block of chariots or somehting.

Don't have my book on me, but I'm pretty sure Nekaph can be upgraded with a chariot, someone else might want to check though.

He can I originally missed it. haha! my bad!

Ok in my plan of greek undead (what should they be called? Polis Kings?) I would like to know how tall a bone giant is

Also I was thinking of elephants for the kehmrian warsphinx but I dont think theres any models of skeleton elephants

Bone Giants seem to be a little shorter then the standard giant(about 4.5-5")


Elephants would be wierd for a Greek themed army. the Sphinx is actually featured in Greek Mythology quite promanantly. Elephants would make sense for an Ind or Cathey themed undead army, but the Greeks never used Elephants.


unless you made your army Seleucid themed. the Seleucid empire was one of the 3 empires that arose after Alexander's death. the Ptolemys in Egypt, the Seleucids in the east, and the kingdom of Pergamon in Greece and Asia Minor.


the Seleucids would have had access to Elephants from India(African Elephants aren't easily tamed as Asian Elephants) and would be the only Greek culture to have had the possability of using them.

Hannibal used Asian elephants, not african ones, for the above reason.

Grey Templar wrote:
unless you made your army Seleucid themed. the Seleucid empire was one of the 3 empires that arose after Alexander's death. the Ptolemys in Egypt, the Seleucids in the east, and the kingdom of Pergamon in Greece and Asia Minor.
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Oh bugger, Now I remember that! My greek history is a bit fuzzy, all I remembered was something about Alexander and elephants. Alright back to sphinxes then though the howdah one though is just a big stone cat instead of a human/cat hybrid

Anyways the giant is 4.5-5 eh? Thats Roughly between 114-127mm. According to Tamiya, their 1/16 figs are 120mm tall so that should be the perfect scale

kenshin620 wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
unless you made your army Seleucid themed. the Seleucid empire was one of the 3 empires that arose after Alexander's death. the Ptolemys in Egypt, the Seleucids in the east, and the kingdom of Pergamon in Greece and Asia Minor.
.

Oh bugger, Now I remember that! My greek history is a bit fuzzy, all I remembered was something about Alexander and elephants. Alright back to sphinxes then though the howdah one though is just a big stone cat instead of a human/cat hybrid

Anyways the giant is 4.5-5 eh? Thats Roughly between 114-127mm. According to Tamiya, their 1/16 figs are 120mm tall so that should be the perfect scale

Which Tamiya figures are you looking at using, out of interest?

Oh not tamiya, I just used them for reference (ok ok I know that each company does not use the same scale somewhat but as I looked on other companies they do say their 1/16 models are near 120mm)

I am probably going to choose Mini Arts greek warrior figures. Not sure which one though. They have two kits for firth century BC, a hoplite from athens and from sparta, and a kit from the 4th century describe plainly as a greek hoplite

I was tinkering with this idea.

Tomb King with Blade of Antarhak , Dragonhelm , Armor of Glittering Scales.
Which allow him to recover wounds , have regen if goes over his starting wound , and have wardsave against flaming attack ( which saves him from flammable and lack or regen save )
and -1 to be hit in combat.

Casket of souls- Apparently its light of death sucks. You can use the generals inspiring presence and you get BSB re-rolls?

I wouldn't say it sucks.

some units that get put out on flanks are just asking for it.


Doomwheels, Scraplaunchers, orks in general, undead... all will find the Casket very deadly.

the General and BSB bonus is odd, but its a balancing thing.