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Mark Wells seems to think one of these days Warhammer is just going to pick up like Pokemon did and spread like wildfire through the 12 year old "pocket money" teenage boy global community. It doesn't work like that. Pokemon is a one-shot purchase, it's like what $30-40 new for the gameboy? It's not a $1200 army with a complicated learning curve (for many 12 year olds) requiring a massive infrastructure to play and enjoy. You don't sell this subculture to people on the misguided notion that it'll turn into a huge fad that will span the globe. It's a culture, and as such, it REQUIRES the experienced, veteran community to thrive properly.

Kilkrazy wrote:
IMO GW are more concerned with the large 12-year-old contingent than the veterans. I think that is a mistake, as I believe that veterans are important standard bearers to bring word of the wargaming hobby, and GW HHHobby, to the youngsters. That's partly because I got into wargaming through the traditional route rather than through GW.

Nail + Head = This

If the vets are saying to kids 'dont get into it, GW are nobz' (and not the Ork type of nob!) then it looks bad. If a vet says 'I'll help you with an army list/show you how to paint/convert/whatever' It's good as it fosters the community. However that only happens in small clubs. Which need to be supported more. They are the future of the hobby, now GW stroes.

GW is just threatened how cool looking their competitor's Lammasu is.

Human head , animal body? check. Tall hats adn braided beard? check.

Lets add horns . OH NO GW sues us now.

,,,,,,,,,

"Competitor" implies that Raging Heroes (or any of these start-ups that exist now) doesn't rely upon Games Workshop's continued existence to have a business.

You don't like these small mini companies, do ya Kan?

I do H.B.M.C. and while I bought one minus the Llam head I did think they were skating at the fringe. Note that GW aren't going after the whole mini, just the additional head that wasn't part of the original design plan anyway. I see this as being fall out from CHS's insistance on twisting the lions tail, but that's for another thread. There is no case to go after mantic as none of their sculpts are anything like the GW ones currently, and people would be best to remember that the Fantasy side of things is more of an open playing field due to the concepts being hundreds of years old in some cases (yes I am nonplussed by AoW too).

I think the point is made quite well, despite the outraged whining of some, if you're going to sculpt something make sure it is well clear of anything that GW has/had sculpted (lost lincences are a different matter).

There is a difference between "competition" between companies , and between products. Was Raging Hero's Lammasu a competition of a product with GW's Chaos Dwarf Lammasu?

"YES "

Da Boss wrote:Someone in GW customer relations really needs to communicate to the legal team how damaging this kind of aggressively litigious behaviour is to their small, vocal and interested fanbase.

The IP lawyers ARE the customer relations people

H.B.M.C. wrote:You don't like these small mini companies, do ya Kan?

Of course not. To a true believer, they are nothing but parasites, sucking at the jugular of the God-Emperor of Miniatures.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:You don't like these small mini companies, do ya Kan?

Of course not. To a true believer, they are nothing but parasites, sucking at the jugular of the God-Emperor of Miniatures.

Kanluwen wrote:

The Decapitator wrote: Hopefully and few more Dakkites will post when they've been told by their local GW stores too.

My nearest local GW is a state away. So that's undoable. .

Be easy on Kan, he has never been close to a GW store, explains his positive attitude

lol (re customer relations)
In the grim gakk of the 21st century there is only GAW
(that is why it is grim and gakk)

Kroothawk wrote:Be easy on Kan, he has never been close to a GW store, explains his positive attitude

Really? hmm i remember pretty clearly that he was experienced enough with GW stores to dismiss other's claim of negative experience in them.

This is what I despise about GW, it's not their high prices which are a simple matter of take them or leave them, that's really up to them. It's the way I'm left feeling that if I make a purchase from GW then a part of it goes into their legal fund. I hate the idea that money I spend with a company is being used to support a hostile and unjustly aggressive attitude towards other companies which I also like. feth you GW.

LunaHound wrote:There is a difference between "competition" between companies , and between products. Was Raging Hero's Lammasu a competition of a product with GW's Chaos Dwarf Lammasu?

"YES "

I'm not sure it is in competition when there isn't such a product produced by games workshop?

I know, there was in the past and there could be in the future, but as it stands at the very least GW wouldn't be losing money off it as there's no Lamasu product that GW sells...

Just Dave wrote:

LunaHound wrote:There is a difference between "competition" between companies , and between products. Was Raging Hero's Lammasu a competition of a product with GW's Chaos Dwarf Lammasu?

"YES "

I'm not sure it is in competition when there isn't such a product produced by games workshop?

I know, there was in the past and there could be in the future, but as it stands at the very least GW wouldn't be losing money off it as there's no Lamasu product that GW sells...

That bothered me too. I mean, we know Forgeworld is bringing back Chaos Dwarfs, but do we have any info on if and when we see this Lamasu thingy? Is GW going after models they might produce themselves sometime in the future?

They're going after it because FW is probably making one, just like they went after all the Blood Bowl sites around the same time as the BB X-Box/PC game came out.

Look out Games Workshop! Someone else is stealing your ideas...

They are looking at re-booting the GW brand angry cows, there were WiP minis on show at the FW open day. Even if they weren't then GW still have the right to ask manufacturers that are producing items they consider on shaky ground to stop. The fact that RH pulled it has shows that they probably weren't that bothered as the initial frenzy of sales has passed. Remember it's only an add on head that wasn't planned on from the beginning, and it probably won't hurt RH in the long run.

H.B.M.C. wrote:You don't like these small mini companies, do ya Kan?

No, I don't like people calling them "competitors" when they're clearly not.

If there was no GW , there'd be no real demand for models from most of these smaller companies. It's a symbiotic relationship, not a competing relationship.

It is not seen as symbiotic by GW though unfortunately.
But I think that is a good term and how it should be perceived.

Kanluwen wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:You don't like these small mini companies, do ya Kan?

No, I don't like people calling them "competitors" when they're clearly not.

If there was no GW , there'd be no real demand for models from most of these smaller companies. It's a symbiotic relationship, not a competing relationship.

Its a big IF isnt it? Unless you can predict the future you cannot know what would be our reality IF GW was not around... I can tell you this much... Toysoldiers/wargamming has been around long before 1974 and will still be around after all of us are dead... so yeah there will always be a need for toysoldiers and wargammes, its part of the human nature.

I think HBMC and Kan is both a symbiotic and competing relationship...

I would have loved they fought this, this particular figure is based on Hindu mythology, it is ridiculous that GW is pulling this, its like trying to IP Angels or Zeus or Odin or The Greek pantheon.

...next GW will try to assert a trademark on Jesus.

aka_mythos wrote:...next GW will try to assert a trademark on Jesus.

That one the can have. Just as long as he has a beard and sandals

The issue does seem to be heading towards anything Mythological with Skulls (that is the important bit that separated the RH Lammasu from the Babylon one...) is clearly a product of the Grimdark Fantasy setting. If RH had done the head without skulls would we be here now?

I wouldn't be surprised if the FW head is an exact replica of the RH head, and they got rid of it so they could have it for themselves.

Avatar 720 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the FW head is an exact replica of the RH head, and they got rid of it so they could have it for themselves.

I would very much doubt it, you seem to forget that for all GW/FWs faults they do have a group of very good sculpters. I love all this emo whine that accompanies these nuggets of news.

Captain Jack wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the FW head is an exact replica of the RH head, and they got rid of it so they could have it for themselves.

I would very much doubt it, you seem to forget that for all GW/FWs faults they do have a group of very good sculpters. I love all this emo whine that accompanies these nuggets of news.

I wasn't being serious. I do know that GW/FW can create good sculpts and I would prefer it if you didn't refer to negative comments as "emo whines".

Actually, since RH IS a miniatures company, they ARE competitors with GW - they're both after our gaming dollars.

And clearly GW thinks so too - hence the C+D.

But really, is it that important a distinction that we need to go around in circles over that specific point?

Captain Jack wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if the FW head is an exact replica of the RH head, and they got rid of it so they could have it for themselves.

I would very much doubt it, you seem to forget that for all GW/FWs faults they do have a group of very good sculpters. I love all this emo whine that accompanies these nuggets of news.

For all their great sculptors they've created some alarming gak too.