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reds8n wrote:...you will in fact now receive your subscription copy of WD after the magazine has been released for sale in the shops.

I've received a number of advanced orders this way. One arrived three weeks after release. I no longer purchase from GW's web site nor have I subscribed to WD in many years.

I'm not seeing any news at all here. This already happened last year.

After several well-publicized incidents last year where people in certain European countries got lucky and got their White Dwarf issues a couple weeks ahead of most other markets and they posted pictures from the front new releases pages of White Dwarf on the Internet GW already made a change to the mailing schedule of White Dwarf many months ago. They began trying to time it so that everyone at home and the stores would get it around the same time.

For the first few months after they made that change last year I barely got it at all and sometimes had to get replacement issues for lost ones or issues that eventually arrived weeks late, but they seem to have gotten their timing down the past few issues and I now get it on the same day as it's released in the shops or more usually about 4 days later.

Anyway, my point is that I already was informed of this change long ago around last summer, already had discussions about it at the local shops at the time it happened and have already seen the effects of this change for many months.

RandyMcStab wrote:

Ouze wrote:I love GW and everything they do. I want to have their man babies.

GW Apologists make me sick, I'm PMing H.M.B.C. so he can flame the hell out you!!!!!1!!111!!!

Don't disturb him. He's busy punishing GW by placing an order for several hundred dollars worth of their stuff. He'd rather rage against any poster that peeps up to slightly defend them rather than actually do the one thing that would make a difference... not buying! Such is the life of a plasticrack addict, though.

I think we all know whats really going on in the meetings.

"Cave Johnson here, now the eggheads down in the lab are saying that the customers are unhappy with our business practices, that we can't just raises prices all the time. well I say who needs customers, so id like to introduce you to the autocustomer. Now this little guy doesn't give a care as to the quality or price, you just program what you want him to buy and bam, instant profit. Cave johnon were done here."

Grimtuff wrote:

Hellfury wrote:

Ouze wrote:I love GW and everything they do. I want to have their man babies.

Shocking. Simply shocking. Damn fanboy.

Ummm....

Ummmm.... that sound you hear? It is a jet.

That jet just passed so far above your head that you don't realize that I am on a horse.

I'm on a horse.

[edit] for the euros who probably have no idea about being on a horse...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE

I remember when I first discovered miniatures, and along with them, White Dwarf. I remember BEGGING my brother for £1.20 to buy my own copy (I also remember him totally not lending me the cash. I will not forget). I remember practically imploding with envy that my best friend had a copy. I remember the best thing about a new issue was skipping straight to Thrud the Barbarian. I remember all the great illustrations, and to this day I think Paul Bonner's illustrations epitomise both the Fantasy and 40K Orks and Gobbos. I remember the original sketches for the Aspect Warriors and not being able to tear my eyes away from them.

281 issues later - and I won't even pretend that there weren't breaks in my hobbying - and I have to admit, rather sadly, that White Dwarf is (and has been for a fair while) not what it was. As other posters have said (and what is now obvious), is that White Dwarf is a glorified catalogue. I don't even think that GW know what its purpose is any more, and suspect that they may be deluding themselves into thinking that they're actually putting out a good product.

Two particular things have broken this particular camel's back: the changes in the subscription conditions (there doesn't seem to be any incentive to subscribe any more), to the extent that I will cancel it, and the other being the absolutely shameful 'article' about the hobby a few months ago that was a simple advert to buy Citadel paints.

I'm not angry about this decision, I'm just sad. I'm sad that something that once made me so excited that I would beg to get it now barely gets a reaction out of me at all. And what saddens me more is that this wonderful hobby that literally saved my life (if not my bank balance!) is now soured by some bad decision making.

A sad day Games Workshop.

Must admit I had a good laugh at being allowed to drop into a GW shop to have a sneek peek at the magazine! Hahahahaha! The people that make these bizarre ideas a reality, are they HIGH? What everybody should do is organise flash mobs to storm GW shops on WD release day and demand to read the magazine. I'm sure that would stop this latest nonsense. Does anyone else get the impression that someone is seriously trying to bring down GW? By that I mean trying to get the shares to drastically fall with all this recent rubbish that they've been announcing?

The last time I had WD early or even on time was the issue BEFORE the "freebie" Terminator came out. Ever since it was at least a week late, normally 2 to 3. I figure I will just get the issues I want off ebay in a year or two.

warspawned wrote:

Something about the publishers having to pay a sub to WH Smiths to sell their mags there, GW declined (as it involved spending money) thus they pulled the mags from sale at Smiths.

So that explains why I can't find it anymore...that's certainly news to me - it would be nice of GW to say this kind of thing (or did they?)

They did, they printed a small A5 leaflet which informed customers of the change and the reasons as to why. This 'should' have been Put inside every copy of WD, and were also available on the counter local GW's.

Whether or not this happened in reality is another matter entirely.

It did, there was also a piece on their website and some internet forums.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/338162.page

I literally thought GW was out of dumb things that they could do. They continue to amaze.

warhawkstriker wrote:I think we all know whats really going on in the meetings.

"Cave Johnson here, now the eggheads down in the lab are saying that the customers are unhappy with our business practices, that we can't just raises prices all the time. well I say who needs customers, so id like to introduce you to the autocustomer. Now this little guy doesn't give a care as to the quality or price, you just program what you want him to buy and bam, instant profit. Cave johnon were done here."

Nah... He's doing insurance (Allstate, I think) commercials these days.

Custom-built flamethrower and a giant ball of lint.

This is not a policy to get people in stores. The more I see their new policy, the more I understand that they just want to cut the voices down on the internet.

They fear sneak peeks and previews from players around the world. This is plain stupid. They deserve the EPIC FAIL they're going to have.

KOS wrote:This is not a policy to get people in stores. The more I see their new policy, the more I understand that they just want to cut the voices down on the internet.

They fear sneak peeks and previews from players around the world. This is plain stupid. They deserve the EPIC FAIL they're going to have.

GW is trying to make their stores the best.

By making everything else worse, instead of improving the stores.

"Their stores the best"

this is not a good thing in my opinion. They are just trying to control information and forcing people to buy things where they want.

I just feel to be manipulated, I fear that I'll never know what's going to be released anymore and what to expect from the company.

And this because here in Cremona we have NO GW store. We have independent stores that provides gaming places, with the closest official store at 2 hours circa of distance.

Honestly, I always thought that GW screwed up lately, but this time is going to be worst than ever.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that from now on, GW will loose more money and players with this move.

KOS wrote:The more I see their new policy, the more I understand that they just want to cut the voices down on the internet.

They just follow standard marketing procedures as featured by the governments of Libya, Syria, North Korea, China and Iran.
Kim-Il Kirby FTW

The only thing that could induce me to go into a Games Workshop store regularly would be if they could make GW stores as good, welcoming, friendly, well-staffed, etc., as the good indies like Maelstrom or Gifts For Geeks.

KOS wrote:"Their stores the best"

this is not a good thing in my opinion. They are just trying to control information and forcing people to buy things where they want.

I just feel to be manipulated, I fear that I'll never know what's going to be released anymore and what to expect from the company.

And this because here in Cremona we have NO GW store. We have independent stores that provides gaming places, with the closest official store at 2 hours circa of distance.

Honestly, I always thought that GW screwed up lately, but this time is going to be worst than ever.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that from now on, GW will loose more money and players with this move.

What about places like Poland ( a 40 mill country) where there's no GW shop at all ?:>

The losest one would be in Berlin, around 600 kilometers away :>

Aww, I'm going to miss getting White Dwarf a week or two early like I have been for the past few months. It was always pleasant to drool over the pretty miniatures while sitting on the can. Ah well, there's always the Incoming! e-mails.

Oh, wait...

i rarely recieve my WD before i can buy it in stores, it usually arrives a week or 2 AFTER i can buy it in stores.

i guess its good my sub is up for renewal, i will only need to buy issues with the nice new kit breakdowns and really nice conversion issues.

I usually get WD on the same day as retail release. Until this happened, I honestly didn't know it was supposed to be earlier.

So, how do I go about cancelling my sub?

It depends upon how it's set up.

You can speak to the customer service people http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?section=community&pIndex=0&aId=9300010&start=1 and see if they can help you out (.. who are all terribly helpful and nice people who, from what I hear have had rather a rough time of late. One would recommend not shooting the messenger, so to speak.).

Mine was paid via a direct debit/standing order so I then had to phone Warner's Publications on 01778 391000 to cancel that and then, of course, speak to the bank to confirm the cessation of payment.

Ian Sturrock wrote:The only thing that could induce me to go into a Games Workshop store regularly would be if they could make GW stores as good, welcoming, friendly, well-staffed, etc., as the good indies like Maelstrom or Gifts For Geeks.

Depends very much on the GW store. Part of the reason the debacle of the last week is so depressing for me is that I actually like the Southampton GW guys.

KOS wrote:This is not a policy to get people in stores. The more I see their new policy, the more I understand that they just want to cut the voices down on the internet.

You cant stop the signal Mal......

/serenity

reds8n wrote:It depends upon how it's set up.

You can speak to the customer service people http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?section=community&pIndex=0&aId=9300010&start=1 and see if they can help you out (.. who are all terribly helpful and nice people who, from what I hear have had rather a rough time of late. One would recommend not shooting the messenger, so to speak.).

Mine was paid via a direct debit/standing order so I then had to phone Warner's Publications on 01778 391000 to cancel that and then, of course, speak to the bank to confirm the cessation of payment.

Cheers very much. I was in the bank yesterday for an unrelated matter ("I've never even BEEN to Switzerland!" ) and I asked how I would cancel it, but I'd have to speak to the company. So it looks like I have some phone calls to make. How easy was the phone call lark?

Alkasyn wrote:
What about places like Poland ( a 40 mill country) where there's no GW shop at all ?:>

The losest one would be in Berlin, around 600 kilometers away :>

Or the southeast US.. where we strangely have the factory that produces the minis for the US but no GW store currently to carry them within 300+ miles of the largest city in the region (Atlanta).

Cerebrium wrote:Cheers very much. I was in the bank yesterday for an unrelated matter ("I've never even BEEN to Switzerland!" ) and I asked how I would cancel it, but I'd have to speak to the company. So it looks like I have some phone calls to make. How easy was the phone call lark?

East as pie. They asked for my postcode, confirmed what the sub was and it was done. More hassle with the bank and the manifold joys of online banking security protocols to be honest.. but that's a whole other rant.

yeah,
Well I just recieved this months copy and It's great! Lots of Dark Eldar Photos & Lots of info on FineCast.
Confirms grotesques are 1 mini release (boo)
and wracks are in a box of 4 plus acothyst; 5 unique minis in there so covens won't look too bad, and a small bit of converting to give more motion/variety to the arms should be all that is required to make for some nice looking squads.

WD378 June break down,

News - Nothing we don't already know here...
FineCast - info about why they changed. info mostly repeated by web team.
DarkEldar Covens
Tomb Kings wave two
tactica TombKings
tactica Grey Knights
Armies on parade 6 one page armies on parade
2000pts Dark Eldar vs CW Eldar battle report
Army Master - MattWeavers SpaceWolfs
LOTR battle report the fellowship vs 700pts of the legion of the white hand.

Plus regular items...

Lots to read... It is a good issue.
Not cancelling my subscription just yet; I will keep a close eye on when I receive my issue next month.

Panic...

Panic,

Can you give us a list of what the Eldar and Dark Eldar players used, and then spoilerize the winner?

Thanks!

I believe I can help with that,

Dark Eldar:
Urien Rakharth
Haemonculus with venom blade and dark gate
Haemonculus with liquifier gun and venom blade
5 Incubi
Raider with Dark lance and Night shields
4 Grotesques with liquifier gun
Raider with disintegrator cannon and Night shield
8 Wracks with liquifier gun and Acothyst
9 Wracks with liquifier gun and Acothyst
5 Wyches including Hekatrix with power weapon
Venom with additional splinter cannon
5 Wyches including Hekatrix with power weapon + Blast pistol
Venom
7 Scourges with Haywire blaster, heat lance and Solarite
1 Beastmaster with 4 Khymerae
9 Hellions including 1 Helliarch with Stunclaw
Ravorwing jetfighter with flickerfeild
Talos Pain engine with chain-flails and twin-linked haywire blaster
Cronos parasite engine with Spirit vortex
1995 points

Craftworlders:
Farseer with spirit stones, Doom, Fortune, and Guide powers
Autarch with jetbike and laser lance
10 Dire avengers including exarch wwith Bladestorm and extra shuriken catapult
Wave serpant with twin-linked brightlances, spirit stones and shuriken cannon
10 Dire avengers including exarch with bladestorm
5 Guardian Jetbikes
10 Guardians with starcannon, including Warlock with destructor
10 Guardians with starcannon, including Warlock with destructor
2 Vypers with Shuriken cannons
5 Swooping hawks including Exarch with sunrifle, intercept and skyleap
5 Warp spiders including Exarch with Powerblades, surprise attack and withdraw
Fire prism with shuriken cannon, spirit stones and holo-fields
Fire prism with shuriken cannon, spirit stones and holo-fields
Night Spinner with Shuriken cannon and spirit stones
1998 points



I'll admit most of that means nothing to me. And I apologise for my terrible spelling and/or grammer in that post-lists just start to blur into one eventually .