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nkelsch wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:When did "based" come to mean something other than "on a base"?

'3 colors and based' is a short descriptive term to describe a more detailed standard which has been in place for decades within wargaming. So if you are referring to the 'based' part of '3 colors and based' they don't mean a model that is silver metal, grey plastic, green stuff and black base...

Yet you still give no definition of what it does mean.

DarknessEternal wrote:

nkelsch wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:When did "based" come to mean something other than "on a base"?

'3 colors and based' is a short descriptive term to describe a more detailed standard which has been in place for decades within wargaming. So if you are referring to the 'based' part of '3 colors and based' they don't mean a model that is silver metal, grey plastic, green stuff and black base...

Yet you still give no definition of what it does mean.

It means the base has been given some scenic detail. Typically sand, flock, or paint, but it can also be resin/plastic with built in details that are painted.

IE, not a black piece of plastic with no details or paint. And since I got into this hobby almost 15 years ago, thats exactly what "basing" a model has meant. Putting them on the black plastic bases has never been the definition of "basing", it's just something you're forced to do to make them stand up.

I would suggest "based" mean either fully painted with additional texture, or replaced with a scenic based.

I've been playing 40k since the year it came out (yes, I'm old), and I've never known anyone who thought of basing as putting some other foreign substance on a base, except perhaps paint.

DarknessEternal wrote:I've been playing 40k since the year it came out (yes, I'm old), and I've never known anyone who thought of basing as putting some other foreign substance on a base, except perhaps paint.

Then you may need to get out more.

Not to be rude, but that's what I've encountered for the decade I've been in the hobby, at least in the context of "painted and based."

Putting a base on a miniature is simply "assembly."

I'm sure there are pockets that consider "basing" simply painted a blank base, but they're the minority.

For example, by your definition, a "basing kit" would be clippers and glue, not slate and rubble:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat470007a&prodId=prod1140127

Polonius wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:I've been playing 40k since the year it came out (yes, I'm old), and I've never known anyone who thought of basing as putting some other foreign substance on a base, except perhaps paint.

Then Iyou may need to get out more.

Not to be rude, but that's what I've encountered for the decade I've been in the hobby, at least in the context of "painted and based."

Putting a base on a miniature is simply "assembly."

I'm sure there are pockets that consider "basing" simply painted a blank base, but they're the minority.

Agreed. '3 colors and based' has always been shorthand for:

1. You must fully assemble all miniatures in your army.
2. You must paint all miniatures in your army, using at least 3 colors. (including black and
white. We permit monochromatic color schemes.)
3.You must properly base all miniatures in your army, and said bases must be finished.
(with flock, static grass, any other sort of texturing etc.)

This is the standard for entry almost every event that has appearance requirements since the original days of GW GTs and GW RTTs has used. When someone says '3 colors and based' I have never seen it mean anything else.

DarknessEternal wrote:I've been playing 40k since the year it came out (yes, I'm old), and I've never known anyone who thought of basing as putting some other foreign substance on a base, except perhaps paint.

Been playing it just as long, and we always 'based' our models with sand or flock, even way back then. Probably because many people had played other games before 40k.

Ditto.

I've always based my models, and so did everyone I played with, since the birth of 40K.

It was required (along with painted models) at my local GW.

carmachu wrote:

Abstract Catalyst wrote:
How about no. I fail to see why basing models is a necessity.

Basing back in the day wasnt done, or was optional. I remember back then we never did.

truth. it really does add a lot to a model though. up until a few years ago i didn't base mine (predominantly out of laziness), but now i can't imagine not doing it.

Abstract Catalyst wrote:I fail to see why people should have to do anything to such an unimportant part of the model.

Oh and sand isn't free, to get anywhere near any 'free' sand I'd have to pay £20 in petrol. Plus, taking sand is stealing, and most sand would look awful on a model base.

Yes because you have to follow every single law.....I always grab sand from the beach (50 metres from my house) And have yet to be thrown in a cell or draged before a judge, Ill wager that your not the most fun person to party with.

"taking sand is stealing" = "I'm really looking for excuses to be intractable and not base my models."

How is picking up dirt off the ground stealing? I'm interested in hearing what section of your criminal code "Picking up handfuls of rocks and dirt" falls under, because, man, there are some pairs of boots I've worn that should probably do some time.

For my local beach (Presque Isle in Erie) it's literally a Federal Offense to remove any material- sand, dirt, branches, beach glass- technically, it might be a felony to hold your breath as you cross the boundary of the park.