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Whats wrong with an AK if I can ask?

KingCracker wrote:Whats wrong with an AK if I can ask?

from all the reality shows ive seen,they might be more tough,but they are far less accurate than may others. id prefer a slightly smaller round but be accurate over my shots flying everywhere.

M14...no feth that. exterminatus.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Whats wrong with an AK if I can ask?

from all the reality shows ive seen,they might be more tough,but they are far less accurate than may others. id prefer a slightly smaller round but be accurate over my shots flying everywhere.

The Ak-47 is not what I would call inaccurate...not by a damn sight, perhaps on full auto ( but then in untrained hands most weapons on full auto are), but in semi-auto the AK can hold a very nice grouping, not to mention it's a very rugged and dependable weapon.

lord commissar klimino wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Whats wrong with an AK if I can ask?

from all the reality shows ive seen,they might be more tough,but they are far less accurate than may others. id prefer a slightly smaller round but be accurate over my shots flying everywhere.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=ak47+shot+groups&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1024&bih=593&tbm=isch&tbnid=wkUw0VPjcJPQ5M:&imgrefurl=http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php%253Ft%253D133881&docid=EErVnLGbOc1MgM&w=320&h=240&ei=0Z1ETv2wGIS4twfC-uzZBQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=317&page=1&tbnh=123&tbnw=181&start=0&ndsp=13&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=81&ty=78

(here is the link. Can't get the damn photo to load properly)

Above target was shot at 100 yrds.

meh,ive seen a guy hip fire a M14 or whatever (sory,my gun knowledge is very rusty used to know all kinds of gak...) and got a very good grouping. the guy then used a AK 47 shoulder fireing in bursts and the shots were going in in a line pattern and was way less accurate. ive seen lots of simular stuff. however ive also seen the AK get striped and put back together faster and its definatly looks and seems more reliable. i just dont like it.

lord commissar klimino wrote:meh,ive seen a guy hip fire a M14 or whatever (sory,my gun knowledge is very rusty used to know all kinds of gak...) and got a very good grouping. the guy then used a AK 47 shoulder fireing in bursts and the shots were going in in a line pattern and was way less accurate. ive seen lots of simular stuff. however ive also seen the AK get striped and put back together faster and its definatly looks and seems more reliable. i just dont like it.

....

The M14 is a dang high powered sniper rifle designed from the ground up to put tight groups down range at around 1,000 yards. It also shoots the 7.62 Nato round. (308 Winchester) Big, BIG difference from the 7.62x39 round the Ak47 uses.



7.62 Nato Top, 7.62x39 Bottom

yes,ignore my whole part about me being rusty on gun knowledge. i meant something obviously smaller than that. like a...m4? no...dont think thats right....feth my horrible memory of names! ill go look it up i guess....then i will be back *que crappy dramatic music*

EDIT: wait,its right. the M16 is its original burst variant if i remember correctly too.

The M16 Shoots 5.56 and can be a tack driver. It is more accurate then a basic Ak47, however, when it comes to field performance it is what we call a "princess".

Basically, you have to paper it to make sure it works every time you pull the trigger. The barrel star chamber and bolt need to be cleaned, all the moving parts need to be lubed just right, a little mud or dirt or cold temperatures and she will throw a fit. ect ect.

The ak47 is what we call a "dirty girl"... I think you get the idea. After all, their is a reason why you only see an Ak and not an AR in my collection.

And, because these are rage zombies, you won't need much accuracy to kill them. You are most likely going to not have much time to aim, and be hip-firing most of the time.

AK-47 is the ideal automatic rifle for a Zombie-Apocalypse I would say.

i dont like the AK47. i just dont.

and rage zombies would be worse than corpse zombies IMO.

My plan for if the world ends from top to bottom...weapons list, here we go.

My dad works in law enforcement and is an avid home protection advocate, my starting weapons would consist of:

A remington 870
An AR-15
A glock 17
A Sig Sauer (not sure of the make, its .40 calibre though)
A Smith and Wesson .40 cal revolver
A Taurus Judge (can shoot .45 ACP and 10 guage shells FTW)
A KABAR knife (my dad's old service knife from the Corps)
perhaps some random items such as tools, bats, axes, and machetes

The plan: Load everything up in my Ford Explorer and take a six hour trip (actually, it would probably take days or weeks if its the Zombie apocalypse...) up to my Uncles' Hunting Lodge located in the arse end of nowhere, Alabama. the lodge itself is built over a fallout shelter from the Cold War and has been over the years renovated by my uncles who are both into a bit of ametuer survivalism (If you think about the couple from "Tremors" that's pretty much them without the craziness). The Lodge is also built to withstand tornadoes and storms hat often pass through the area and is incredibly stable and has multiple floors and exits...Anyway, when I get there the weapons loadout will look more like this...(Bear with me, I don't have an exact count of all their weapons but I know of a few items from the times I have shot them on the range.)

2 30-06 hunting rifles
2 Compound bows
a scoped crossbow
2 hunting shotguns
multiple Colt .45s
at least one .44 Magnum revolver
A 1903 springfield
An M-14 with scope
An M-4 carbine
An M-16
A Romainian AK variant
An SKS carbine
An FN-FAL (my personal favorite of the lot, i've shot it the most and am most familiar with it...)
A Thompson SMG
An M-3 grease gun
An M-60 LMG
All manner of utility and combat blades and tools as well as lockers of ammo for each weapon...
And that's just the weapons, I never covered the hardware they have...

Yeah, its a doozy of a list but I've seen em all, I obviously don't have pictures because I haven't been to that lodge in years so that collection may have gotten larger or smaller, if I can find some I'll load em up...Obviously, a big load of guns doesn't make a catastrophe level survival, but it ain't a bad start...Though honestly I'd rather be JP in said situation, its better to have a few guns at hand in that scenario than have lots of guns hours away by car...

...Oh yeah, and hopefully stay there until either the army shows up or something else good happens...

lord commissar klimino wrote:i dont like the AK47. i just dont.

and rage zombies would be worse than corpse zombies IMO.

I have to say that I disagree with your opinion concerning rage "zombies"...
And these are my reasons...
First and foremost...Rage zombies ( not being actual zombies and merely infected humans) can die in a multitude of ways...where as an actual zombie can only be killed by a head shot ( or destroying the brain in some fasion)...
A mine field may kill some zombies...but it will kill most rage "zombies"...wounds that would not "kill" a real zombie will kill a rage zombie...
Second...Rage zombies will starve to death in a matter of months, a real zombie doesn't require food and can exist for years...

With the exception of speed...rage zombies have no advantage whatsoever over " real zombies"...( and even that's not true if you factor in Zack Snyder's "sprinting zombies" from the Dawn of the Dead remake.)

true...but rage zombies can also climb.well,possibly. they also would be smarter,if only a little.

it all depends on the senerio. id rather be surrounded by a bunch of slow zombies then a bunch of fast zombies.

lord commissar klimino wrote:true...but rage zombies can also climb.well,possibly. they also would be smarter,if only a little.

it all depends on the senerio. id rather be surrounded by a bunch of slow zombies then a bunch of fast zombies.

...Perhaps rage "zombies" may posses a bit more inteligence ...but AFAIK ( from watching various flms) it would appear to be negligible ...the virus seems to make " run..kill...run some more" about the extent of their knowledge...

And again, while speed is of some concern ( particularly if surrounded)...in a straight up " turkey shoot" I'd take rage "zombies" as a target any day, trying to zero a dozen ( or more) head shots isn't as easy as you'd think...but knocking down several targets ( even running targets) with body shots is very doable...
...Basicly, if you remove the "virus" factor...you just have a group of homicidal humans charging you, now...I don't know about you, but I'm fairly sure that if you let me pick five guys and our load out, we could more than effectively stop a large group of running screaming unarmed humans.

FITZZ wrote:

lord commissar klimino wrote:true...but rage zombies can also climb.well,possibly. they also would be smarter,if only a little.

it all depends on the senerio. id rather be surrounded by a bunch of slow zombies then a bunch of fast zombies.

...Perhaps rage "zombies" may posses a bit more inteligence ...but AFAIK ( from watching various flms) it would appear to be negligible ...the virus seems to make " run..kill...run some more" about the extent of their knowledge...

And again, while speed is of some concern ( particularly if surrounded)...in a straight up " turkey shoot" I'd take rage "zombies" as a target any day, trying to zero a dozen ( or more) head shots isn't as easy as you'd think...but knocking down several targets ( even running targets) with body shots is very doable...
...Basicly, if you remove the "virus" factor...you just have a group of homicidal humans charging you, now...I don't know about you, but I'm fairly sure that if you let me pick five guys and our load out, we could more than effectively stop a large group of running screaming unarmed humans.

true...but you have more time with corpse zombies too.

like i said,its all situation.

FITZZ wrote:I don't know about you, but I'm fairly sure that if you let me pick five guys and our load out, we could more than effectively stop a large group of running screaming unarmed humans.

And thus was born "Left 4 Dead"

Agreed, give me rage zombies over shamblers any day, first of all, the apocalypse will be a lot shorter and secondly, you'll get a higher kill count...

@ Warork...I noticed your base location will be in Alabama...
One of my Fall back possistions is in rural Mississippi ( Brothers Girlfriends fathers Farm...he to is a bit of a "survivalist"...loads of guns,ammo, food for years and a well on his property)...
If sugar turns to gak...maybe I'll see you down South.

FITZZ wrote: @ Warork...I noticed your base location will be in Alabama...
One of my Fall back possistions is in rural Mississippi ( Brothers Girlfriends fathers Farm...he to is a bit of a "survivalist"...loads of guns,ammo, food for years and a well on his property)...
If sugar turns to gak...maybe I'll see you down South.

If you're ever about an hour northeast of Gadsden on County road 171 I believe it is ( a dirt road at that...) and you find an offshoot road (its unmapped) that goes over three seperate creeks, find several "X" marked trees, and hear a whole lot of shooting and laughing....that's probably me...

Yeah, I'll look forward to that, I guess the end of the world will be bringing Dakkanauts together like never before...

WARORK93 wrote:

FITZZ wrote: @ Warork...I noticed your base location will be in Alabama...
One of my Fall back possistions is in rural Mississippi ( Brothers Girlfriends fathers Farm...he to is a bit of a "survivalist"...loads of guns,ammo, food for years and a well on his property)...
If sugar turns to gak...maybe I'll see you down South.

If you're ever about an hour northeast of Gadsden on County road 171 I believe it is ( a dirt road at that...) and you find an offshoot road (its unmapped) that goes over three seperate creeks, find several "X" marked trees, and hear a whole lot of shooting and laughing....that's probably me...

Yeah, I'll look forward to that, I guess the end of the world will be bringing Dakkanauts together like never before...

Now all we have to do is hope we get more assets than liabilities ...

FITZZ wrote:

WARORK93 wrote:

FITZZ wrote: @ Warork...I noticed your base location will be in Alabama...
One of my Fall back possistions is in rural Mississippi ( Brothers Girlfriends fathers Farm...he to is a bit of a "survivalist"...loads of guns,ammo, food for years and a well on his property)...
If sugar turns to gak...maybe I'll see you down South.

If you're ever about an hour northeast of Gadsden on County road 171 I believe it is ( a dirt road at that...) and you find an offshoot road (its unmapped) that goes over three seperate creeks, find several "X" marked trees, and hear a whole lot of shooting and laughing....that's probably me...

Yeah, I'll look forward to that, I guess the end of the world will be bringing Dakkanauts together like never before...

Now all we have to do is hope we get more assets than liabilities ...

The only thing about this that sucks... is that I am stuck up here in North Idaho. Which means that when ITEOTWAWKI you all will be well outside my zone of influence.

jp400 wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

WARORK93 wrote:

FITZZ wrote: @ Warork...I noticed your base location will be in Alabama...
One of my Fall back possistions is in rural Mississippi ( Brothers Girlfriends fathers Farm...he to is a bit of a "survivalist"...loads of guns,ammo, food for years and a well on his property)...
If sugar turns to gak...maybe I'll see you down South.

If you're ever about an hour northeast of Gadsden on County road 171 I believe it is ( a dirt road at that...) and you find an offshoot road (its unmapped) that goes over three seperate creeks, find several "X" marked trees, and hear a whole lot of shooting and laughing....that's probably me...

Yeah, I'll look forward to that, I guess the end of the world will be bringing Dakkanauts together like never before...

Now all we have to do is hope we get more assets than liabilities ...

The only thing about this that sucks... is that I am stuck up here in North Idaho. Which means that when ITEOTWAWKI you all will be well outside my zone of influence.

This is true, but it also could be advantageous in setting up a "chain" of " safe zones" in case of a necessary " bug out".

FITZZ wrote:

jp400 wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

WARORK93 wrote:

FITZZ wrote: @ Warork...I noticed your base location will be in Alabama...
One of my Fall back possistions is in rural Mississippi ( Brothers Girlfriends fathers Farm...he to is a bit of a "survivalist"...loads of guns,ammo, food for years and a well on his property)...
If sugar turns to gak...maybe I'll see you down South.

If you're ever about an hour northeast of Gadsden on County road 171 I believe it is ( a dirt road at that...) and you find an offshoot road (its unmapped) that goes over three seperate creeks, find several "X" marked trees, and hear a whole lot of shooting and laughing....that's probably me...

Yeah, I'll look forward to that, I guess the end of the world will be bringing Dakkanauts together like never before...

Now all we have to do is hope we get more assets than liabilities ...

The only thing about this that sucks... is that I am stuck up here in North Idaho. Which means that when ITEOTWAWKI you all will be well outside my zone of influence.

This is true, but it also could be advantageous in setting up a "chain" of " safe zones" in case of a necessary " bug out".

This also is true, but unless you lads have HAM base stations for communications, I doubt this will be viable. (knowing a location is still secure before you bug out would be vital)

FITZZ wrote:This is true, but it also could be advantageous in setting up a "chain" of " safe zones" in case of a necessary " bug out".

Join the Dakka apocalypse survival effort today and ensure the survival of 40k for tomorrow! If we want our kids to collect, paint and play with overpriced miniatures on weekends and sick days then we'll have to fight for it!

EDIT: @JP...Uncles have a CB radio...perhaps other stuff, haven't seen it all (that underground ahlter is big and when i was younger they wouldn't let me down there a lot...) Not sure of the range of a CB though...

You know IIRC the guy at the farm in MS. does have some sort of radio set up...not sure exactly what it is though...I was a bit more interested in checking out the various firearms he'd collected.

@ Warork...That's another plus side of the apocalypse...the prices of GW minis and kits go way down...

@ WARORK93: Cv radio? You mean CB radio? If you do, it really depends on type (base station, truck mounted, hand held ect ect) and the amount of power being pumped into it.

So depending on all that and terrain, anywhere from 2-25 miles without using a repeater.

@ FITZZ: Guns are always cooler then radios.

jp400 wrote:@ WARORK93: Cv radio? You mean CB radio? If you do, it really depends on type (base station, truck mounted, hand held ect ect) and the amount of power being pumped into it.

So depending on all that and terrain, anywhere from 2-25 miles without using a repeater.

@ FITZZ: Guns are always cooler then radios.

...Gah, darn my typos, yes, CB radio, that's what I meant...

WARORK93 wrote:

jp400 wrote:@ WARORK93: Cv radio? You mean CB radio? If you do, it really depends on type (base station, truck mounted, hand held ect ect) and the amount of power being pumped into it.

So depending on all that and terrain, anywhere from 2-25 miles without using a repeater.

@ FITZZ: Guns are always cooler then radios.

...Gah, darn my typos, yes, CB radio, that's what I meant...

It's all good. It happens to the best of us from time to time.

glad im in texas,all i have to do is go out of the citities and BAM! hillbillies firing guns in the woods if i find some that wont take me for a democrat ill be ok

lord commissar klimino wrote:glad im in texas,all i have to do is go out of the citities and BAM! hillbillies firing guns in the woods if i find some that wont take me for a democrat ill be ok

Unless you stumble on to some who want to reenact that scene from Deliverance ....then your liable to have a real lousy day.