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Nashville

I am lovin that paint scheme, it just looks so natural and crisp too. Please paint more.

Charlies well spent Paycheck

I apologize in advance for sounding rude, I don't mean to sound that way 
   
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Fixture of Dakka







Following our personal messages and preempting your imminent return:



Thought that would provide some inspiration, it reminded me of your army. It's from GMM studio's year in review, link provided.

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Sechelt, BC

Nice find.

I've taken a good gaming holiday while work was crazy busy in December as well dealing with a bit of hobby burn-out.

Ideas are starting to come back as I took the Nids out of their 4 month slumber. For me at least, nothing brings the joy back in gaming more than playing a large game against another skilled player who's friendly yet pulls no punches. After being my main point of focus, it's the Dark Eldar's turn to go into hibernation for a bit as I work on a new year's' resolution to finally finish all my Nid conversions and also paint them all to at least a basic table-top level.

Depending on how things go, I might be posting some quick updates on the Dark Eldar but for the most part, this thread will be dormant until June.

See you in the Spawning Vats

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Sechelt, BC

Things that make me go hmm...

Duke Sliscus + 3 Trueborn with 2 Splinter Cannons + Venom with Splinter Cannon = Gun Boat?

Duke Sliscus + 6 Trueborn with 2 Splinter Cannons & 4 Blasters + Raider with Splinter Racks and Disentegrator = "Watch where you point that thing"


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Sechelt, BC

I was so looking forward to posting an update following a new purchase but as GW & failcast would have it, I will have to wait for replacement to arrive.

Isabelle Von Carlstein was to be the foundation for a Duchess conversion yet her feet are so miscast that there is barely 1.5 millimeters of resin holder her in place.

As for the Wracks, only 1 of them would qualify as being of expected quality.

The other 4 all have major issues with the casting of their feet. Of those four, three would need to have their helmets rebuilt with GS.

I'll post pictures as soon as I get home.

As much as I don't want to wait 3 months to get good models, I'm afraid it might take 3 or 4 boxes before I have enough quality models. Let's just hope that doesn't happen as that would be weeks of GS surgery...

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Fixture of Dakka







Dang, there definitely needs to be a push towards solving the casting issues. Good luck with the replacements!

   
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Sechelt, BC

It appears GW hear your wishes Casey. Found this post on Faet 212 this morning:

I still hear this complaint every once in awhile. Finecast models having issues with bubbles. While my experience thus far with finecast has been great, a bad bubble on the model can be devastating.

Apparently there is an email that was sent out to GW stores regarding finecast model issues. Personally it should be an email sent out to all retailers that carry their product line.

Here is the letter.

via The Decapitator
So Games Workshop have sent an email around to all of their stores notifying them that;

".....there has been a higher number of the new Citadel Finecast miniatures due to be released that have a bubble in a vital point or have cast thinner than they should have done."

It goes on to say, especially in relation to Finecast models in boxes as opposed to Clampacks;

"Can you check these models with your customers as you sell them to ensure they are happy with their purchase and offer modelling tips for cleaning up flash/mould lines and filling bubbles. If any of the products are not to the customers satisfaction, please give them a new one as usual."

So, in theory, if you are picking up any of the new Finecast models this weekend then the GW employee should ask you if you want to open the box/clampack before you pay to check for defects. Bit if they don't, make sure you tell them that you want to do this as a precaution!

To be fair, I've never had a problem with any GW's letting me check models before I buy them, or replacing them if it's a problem not picked up until later. But if you are ever buying Finecast, and this weekend in particular, make sure you open your boxes ASAP to inspect them as to not create disappointment.


While I want to applaud GW for taking this extra step to minimise the amount of replacement Finecast models they need to mail out via customer support, inspecting a model at the store is not that simple.

Based on my last experience of buying a box of 5 wracks and Isabella Von Carlstein I can attest to the fact that a cursory inspection isn't enough. Isabella comes in a clamshell so it was fairly easy to inspect her through the packaging. What I did not notice due to the amount of flashing was that her heel is practically gone. This defect was only revealed once the model was at home and cleaned up.

The Wracks are an entirely different story. Upon opening the box, lost in a sea of flash, lay what appeared to be 5 horrible models. After inspecting each at home under proper lighting, that number changed to 2 horrible models, 2 fixable models and 1 good model.

After making phone call to GW to get replacements sent out I proceeded to start cleaning them up as much as I could. While removing the flash I came to realise that the good models was in fact excellent, having one minor seams to take care of. It was like cleaning a metal model, minimal work require, just a few chimneys and all areas were smooth as can be.

The horror that was revealed on the other models was just astounding. Arm sockets weren't hollow due to silicone breaking off on previous pours. Vision slits on helmets are obstructed or missing. Many flat areas of the models have a very rough texture as though the resin was pulled from the mold prematurely. In some cases entire sections of the model are missing and thus needing reconstruction due to excessive bubbles. These include heels, hands, dagger hilts, fingers, chains, edges of helmets, vials, etc...

So as interesting to read that GW is taking a more proactive step to ensure that customers get a pristine model before they walk out of the store, in my experience at least, only the most glaring issues such as misaligned seams were obvious straight out of the box. A lot of crippling bubble issues only show themselves after a bit of cleaning, which typically happens once you've left the store.

As a final note, I did notice that models that come on the round sprue rather than the rectangular framed sprue appear to be cleaner. I can't confirm this but I'm thinking that the round framed sprue are based on newer molds. Therefore, next time you buy finecast models, if you see it's not on a round framed sprue, leave it there unless you don't mind dealing with major issues.

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Fixture of Dakka







It's good news but not ground breaking are even a solution. The possible change in molds you have picked up on however, could be a windfall of joy for the community. I hope the case is that they are at least trying to tweak the molds to get better results, even if we have to go through a few more attempts. Our children's children will reap the benefits of resin over metal, well they would if it wasn't for the fact they will be able to just print their own by then.
I agree that checking the model in store doesn't really mean your going to see a lot of the mistakes that might be glaringly obvious at home under a good lamp. We are probably going to have to put up with faults for the time being.

   
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Sechelt, BC

Exactly. Putting up with the faults until GW gets the manufacturing process ironed out is all we have to do. While it's unfortunate that Finecast is still not as fine as it could be, at least there is a visible difference between the first production run and the latest casts.

On the gaming front, I did manage to get a practice game in with the likeliest Dark Eldar list that will be brought to a local tournament.

Haemonculus | Venom blade, Liquifier
Wracks x4 |
Venom | Splinter cannon, Nights shields

Wracks x5 | Liquifier, Acothyst, Scissor hand
Venom | Splinter cannon, Nights shields

[Trueborne x5 | Dark lance x2, Blaster x3 & Venom | Splinter cannon, Nights shields] x2

Trueborne x5 | Dark lance x2

Kabalite Warriors x5 | Blaster
Raider | Dark Lance, Flicker Field, Night shields

Ravager | Dark Lance x3, Flicker Field, Night shields

[Razorwing fighter | Splinter cannon, Dark Lance x2, Flicker Field, Night shields] x2

For this first practice game I was facing a friend who's won Best General at tournaments before. He's known for running Green Tidal Waves of Boys and using interesting tactics.

Mission and Deployment were Auto-tie and Night Fight.

Expecting a hard-hitting Green Tide on-board trucks and knowing how Dark Lances have a habit on not really doing much I placed my objective in the far opposite corner from his objective and concentrated 90% ofl my army in that area. Only the 2 squads of Wracks with Venoms were sent forward to act as a speedbump.

The plan worked fairly well in that he never got more than 14 inches away from my objective. Sadly, I couldn't dislodge his max-sized squad of Gretchin who were camping in cover so the game ended up being a tie for objectives but a win via KP's for the Dark Eldar. We both had fun with this test game but he did one grumble which I took as a complement:

"I fear this list more than I fear Imperial Guard. There's just too so much shooting!"

Here's hoping this list can face various flavours of Marines successfully.

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Sechelt, BC

Tired of waiting for my replacement Finecast models, I went out and purchased a Llamaen for a quick conversion. For the first time in my experience, the casting was actually fine and I actually felt bad about chopping up the model. When Finecast is done well, it actually is very impressive to witness what level of detail will come out from the model. Needless to say, any qualms about slicing into resin went out the window when the bonesaw and the bitz bin came out.

Inspired by none other than our local Dark Eldar Master Haemonculus, Mechanicum John, it was time for his female haemonculus to get a well-deserved tribute, which I posted on my Tumblr, Dark Machinations.





Stay tuned.

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Boston!

Cool haemonculus. It will be interesting to see your take on it compared to Jon's. Also, in regards to your list, how do you like scissor hand compared to an agonizer on the wrack squad?

J
   
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Sechelt, BC

Thanks Prime.

With the Agoniser, there has been just too many times where 4s just don't show up at all. Though statistically unlikely, there's even been game where no wounds at all happen in 3 charges. So while the Scissorhand can be saved, the extra attack and the easier wounding has been doing better thus far, especially when the Wracks have 2 pain tokens because then they also get to re-roll wounds on the charge.

Agonisers never get that luxury even though, for the point cost, it really feels like they should have been a poisoned 4+ power weapon.


It's also why I no longer equip the Haemonculus with Agonisers and give them Venom Blades instead. Cheaper, deadlier and can re-roll wounds on the charge.

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She looks awesome mate, glad you got a nice model to work on! Did she come on a round sprue or do you think it was a coincidence last time?

   
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Sechelt, BC

Round sprue. So it seems the theory is confirmed.

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Fixture of Dakka







Excellent news!

   
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Sechelt, BC

So now the trick is to track down all the square sprues so we can get a few more free replacements while the miscasts are still out there. The more unscrupulous among us could probably sell those at a premium on Ebay just because the buyer is guaranteed to get at least double his models...

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Perfected Haemonculi Living Sculpture






Hey nice theme! what setup are you runing for your airbrush... I've been in the market and finally think I will break down and try one. I have a homedepot, large air compressor can I use it with any airbrush or do I need a special compressor?

   
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Sechelt, BC

Thanks Corsair. The theme is still a work in progress but at least it's getting there, unlike my poor Nids.

As for the airbrush setup, I splurged about 4 years ago while I could still use my student discount for art supplies and bought an Iwata Eclipse HP-CH airbrush, a braided 12 foot hose and a Studio Series Power Jet Lite 2x for about 500$. Like I said, I splurged. By the same token, the both components have performed flawlessly since day one.

Now as to using large compressor, I can't see why you shouldn't as long as you have the following three components attached to it. They are:

  • An air tank | So you don't go deaf from having a large compressor going off every few seconds if not constantly.

  • A moisture trap | to catch water from escaping the tank and thus ruining your work.

  • A pressure regulator | To control the air pressure reaching your airbrush from the tank


  • The other thing to consider is your airbrush. While the sky is the limit when it comes to price and features, there are only 2 features which an absolute must. As long as you get a dual-action airbrush with a gravity-feed you'll be good for a while. Personally, I'd spend a bit more money on your first airbrush so you don't need to go out and buy a 2nd one once you "grow into" airbrush and realise why some of the other features that are offered on the high-end models are actually worthwhile. The reason I bought the Eclipse HP-CH is because it has both a pressure micro-air adjustment valve at the front and a movement lockout screw in the back of the airbrush. In plain english these two options allow you to fine-tune the air pressure coming out of your airbrush without having to fiddle with the compressor or tank's regulator. Basically, you spend less time adjusting and more time painting due to less hassles with air pressure and paint mixture.

    If you haven't done so already, I'd also check out Eggroll's Blood Angels for a good description of compressor setup.

    Feel free to ask me any other questions you might have regarding an airbrush setup.

    And now in Dark Eldar news—My replacement finecast models have arrived today and I can confirm that the round sprue casts are indeed repositioned models and also much cleaner than the square sprued casts. One of the 3 Wracks I've assembled thus needed less than 10 minutes from start to finish. Flash and mould lines are minimal, the surface texture is smooth and the details are as good as the original advertising claimed it would be. It pains me to chop them up for conversions but they do look that good. So word to the wise, if you can see the frame of the model you're about to purchase and you don't want to order a replacement model from GW's excellent customer service, make sure it's on the round cross-sectioned rather than the rectangular cross-sectioned sprue frame and your bubble issues will be dramatically less.

    Pictures once the squad and their leader is complete.

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    Ichor-Dripping Talos Monstrosity






    This is curious, because while in store yesterday I was looking at getting a Lelith Hesprax model to convert into a character (and got distracted by a game, completely forgetting to purchase her! maybe should go back in briefly today...) and the round sprue one was a joke, distorted, the spear on her base bent horribly, flash meaning would have to resculpt her hair and some of her clothing, chunks of flash on the chin and sword meant they'd need carving out of the resin... it was the worst FC model I've seen in person.

    While as far as I could tell, the square sprued one was almost flawless, at least from what I could see in the clamshell.

    Just to muddy the waters again I'm afraid..

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    Sechelt, BC

    as far as I could tell, the square sprued one was almost flawless, at least from what I could see in the clamshell.


    Thanks for that great bit of news Ovion. I was starting to worry that GW's "sponsor an army" program was coming to an end due to their improved quality control.

    For those of you who haven't heard about this program, it's what I jokingly call GW's Customer Service approach to solving issues with FineCast whereby you get to exercise your right, as the purchaser of a luxury commodity, to get proper value for your dollar. In the case of FineCast, it means that until the models in whatever blister or box is 100% bubble free , it is reasonable of you to expect a replacement box, even if you have the modeling skills to repair whatever is wrong with the models.


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    Dark Machinations | Dark Gear's Tumblr. 
       
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    I actually went back and bought her.
    She's sat in her pack next to me...
    I'll open her up and put pictures in my P&M Blog after I finish sorting this big ol' bag of bits I recieved in the post this morning into my bitz boxes .

    We'll see how good she actually is.

       
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    Sechelt, BC

    It'll be interesting to see what you with that model. Your conversions are always interesting. The toaster and kettle are classics.

    As for my wracks, the replacement box was mostly flawless. Only the special sprue had issues. After 2 boxes I've yet to receive a well cast Scissorhand The 5 Wracks all came together with very minimal cleaning and a very small weapon repair job. As that left me 2 models short for a second squad I had to start on the dreaded task of rebuilding some of the Fubar Wracks from my initial purchase. In some cases the fine details were so thin and miscast that filing them off was easier than trying to resculpt them.

    This first one had so many bubbles on its arm I opted to cut it off completely, replacing it with short stabbing blade that matched the left hand's weapon.



    A bit of Green stuff to bulk up the shoulder and it was done. Total time spent cleaning and converting: 3.5 hours.



    On the second one I felt like a surgeon. The lower third of the helmet had to resculpted due to a massive bubble, the armour plates had to filed down because the spikes were so badly cast and then I realised that there was a 1mm trench running right through the plates on the right hip so those had to be Green Stuffed. Most of the knife's handle was bubbled away so I cut the whole thing off and I've yet to glue a knife handle in it's stead.



    The bottom of the left foot had to be rebuilt as about 50% was lost to bubbles. The chain and the surgical tools hanging from the belt on the left side were so badly chewed up I opted to file those completely to save time.



    Total time spent cleaning and converting: 6 hours & counting.

    I've got 2 more Wracks to rebuild after this but they're going to waiting a while in the bitz bin as they're in even worse shape than these last 2 so I'm looking at about 10 hours of sculpting for 2 Wracks. Heck, I can assemble a whole box of Genestealers in that amount of time...

    Stay tuned for more.



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    Fixture of Dakka







    Lovely jobs, mate. With a bit of skill all those free models could really fill out an army, can you legally sell your miscasts as miscasts? I think i might have to get myself a squad of finecast models just for the replacements!
    I tried to 'like' them on your blog but i don't think it worked so i'll just tell you.

       
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    Boston!

    I can't attest to the legality of selling miscasts as miscasts, but it's quite morally slimy in any case.

    Dark_Gear, the wracks look really good. If they were that bad before, they're definitely salvaged now. Funny that it never occurred to me to use the talos arms on them, but it works out quite nicely.
       
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    Sechelt, BC

    Even if it were legal to sell of the failcast models, I'd rather keep them and use them for sculpting practice.

    Besides, It's a nice chance from working on the Nids. What's really bizarre is working on such tiny models after working almost exclusively on Monstrous Creatures since the start of the Nid Year Resolution. There's enough GS in the Tyrant's wings to fully cast 10 wracks!

    @ Casey: Your comments are showing up but the likes are not showing up yet... odd.

    @ Prime: Thanks for the complement. The vetigial limbs are just the perfect size for the Wracks. It's like GW designers planned it that way

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    Fixture of Dakka







    Haha, yeh selling the miscasts would be really slimy. Buying finecast because you know your likely to end up with a batch of miscasts however is in the grey area, so rock on.

    I think i 'liked' it but because i don't have an account it doesn't become a 'note.'

       
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    Sechelt, BC

    That's just it, GW should know better than to try to sell some of these models. Looking back upon the metal casts, I can count on one hand the amount of miscasts I've had over the years. Those years cover Rogue Trader so we're talking all 220 models spread across a Space Marine and an Eldar Army being metal, on top of all the Necrons, Tau and Nid models you can shake a stick at.

    Fast forward to today. Out of 7 purchased finecast models I've had to return 6 and the one I didn't return still took me 3 times as long as metal to clean up. I'll take metal thank you very much for the casting quality thank you very much. Then again, I do like how paint doesn't seem to flake off as easily with resin. Quite the conundrum...

    As for the blog, you comments do show up as a "note", it's only your "likes" that I don't see registering as such. Thanks for the comments by the way.

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    Dark_Gear's Webway Portal | A new Kabal rises.
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    Boston!

    Metal is nice because you know you're going to get a cast that if not perfect, will take minimal time to clean up. The new resin stuff is great for conversions, painting, the whole nine yards. The only problem is...well...we already know
       
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    Fixture of Dakka







    I've never had a miscast metal model and i inherited my cousins metals and they are all fine perfect too. The detail Finecast offers is mind blowing though, once they tame the casting issues they will be able to really exploit that with future sculpts.

    With the blog, it asks me if i want to share the like on facebook and i decline, maybe i need to share it to make it come up as a note.

       
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    Sechelt, BC

    Leave it to GW for producing new models that just make you reach for the wallet and the conversion kit.

    Just saw the soon to be released plastic Griffon for the new Imperial Army and I'm thinking there has to be a way to convert one of them into a suitably monstrous raider proxy for a Haemonculus and his posse of Wracks...

    Not much else to mention on the painting front other than I made the mistake of challenging myself to not use the airbrush on the Wracks. 5 hours into painting and all I've got to show for my efforts is 2 base colours on 5 Wracks. Really not liking bristles... As relaxing as GS sculpting may be to me, painting is just a chore, which makes Mechanicum John's work even more astounding in my eyes now.

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