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forruner_mercy wrote:He is also not too bad at rules. Everyone is angry at how OP his stuff is, but Chaos or Nid players would rejoice if they found out he was making their Codex.

The Plasma Syphon was sloppy enough for me to not want him to put pen to paper ever again. Not an issue with the balance or usability of the item itself, just that he used Plasma as though it were an actual rule/type of weapon like Lance or Melta.

Sloppy.

daveNYC wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:He is also not too bad at rules. Everyone is angry at how OP his stuff is, but Chaos or Nid players would rejoice if they found out he was making their Codex.

The Plasma Syphon was sloppy enough for me to not want him to put pen to paper ever again. Not an issue with the balance or usability of the item itself, just that he used Plasma as though it were an actual rule/type of weapon like Lance or Melta.

Sloppy.

Honestly...I am confused. I do not know what you are talking about

Blood Ravens are nice but certainly not my most favourite chapter. I prefer Ultramarines (activating shield generators against incoming haters). DoW games were excellent and I really like the story line. Space Marine game is awesome, but if there would have been Blood Ravens or Blood Angels (damn blood suckers ), in place of Ultramarines then it would have been less amazing.

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:Blood Ravens are nice but certainly not my most favourite chapter. I prefer Ultramarines (activating shield generators against incoming haters). DoW games were excellent and I really like the story line. Space Marine game is awesome, but if there would have been Blood Ravens or Blood Angels (damn blood suckers ), in place of Ultramarines then it would have been less amazing.

Don't worry, I, at least, am not a hater. The UM are actually one of my favorite chapters.

My list goes like this:
1) Salamanders
2) Imperial Fists
3) Blood Ravens and Ultramarines tie here
4) Um...never thought out this far

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:Blood Ravens are nice but certainly not my most favourite chapter. I prefer Ultramarines (activating shield generators against incoming haters). DoW games were excellent and I really like the story line. Space Marine game is awesome, but if there would have been Blood Ravens or Blood Angels (damn blood suckers ), in place of Ultramarines then it would have been less amazing.

HERESY!

but back on topic...

I need to go find these Goto books so I can read 'em and see what the fuss is about......

Did he really make terminators doing back flips? or is this just exaggerating it?

I sure hope not.

forruner_mercy wrote:I sure hope not.

Me too...

But from what people have been saying...I'm in for some lolz...

bombboy1252 wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:I sure hope not.

Me too...

But from what people have been saying...I'm in for some lolz...

If the majority of those people have actually read the book...then yes, I would say you are in for soem lolz

I'm so getting those books, they sound hilarious. lol

If possible, try to read the original, separately published novels. The Omnibus was VERY heavily re-edited, and had whole tracts re-written to be a bit less terrible.

I actually read the Omnibus first, and while pretty crap, didnt think it deserved quite as much hate as it got.

But then I read my mates novel....

No back-flipping Terminators in the Omnibus?

@harrower- thanks for that i'll look for them books then

Ouze wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Given how terrible a cliché 'loyalist descendants of the traitor legions' really is, Relic (and, throne preserve us, Goto) haven't done a bad job with them.

Is this actually a cliche? How many loyalist descendants of traitor legions are there, exactly?

Sorry, what I meant was that loyalist Thousand Sons/World Eaters/etc are an abominably over-used cliché in fan-written material - I'm exceedingly glad that Games Workshop themselves have never gone further than hinting at the possibility.

They are?

forruner_mercy wrote:They are?

In fan-fic

Yes, yes they are.

Why would that be?

It's a "SYUUUPER KYOOL" idea

you know, like female Space Marines, or corrupt Grey Knights.

They always think their being so original when they say their doing it.........

I can see why someone would do a loyalist World Eaters Chapter. It gives them a reason to have pretty much Angry Marines. But it does not make much sense. At least with the 1K Sons there is some stuff to back it up.

forruner_mercy wrote:I can see why someone would do a loyalist World Eaters Chapter. It gives them a reason to have pretty much Angry Marines. But it does not make much sense. At least with the 1K Sons there is some stuff to back it up.

Seeing how far the mortifactors strayed from the "Ultramarines Codex Path" you can make your angry marines with whatever you prefer as your founding "source"

forruner_mercy wrote:

daveNYC wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:He is also not too bad at rules. Everyone is angry at how OP his stuff is, but Chaos or Nid players would rejoice if they found out he was making their Codex.

The Plasma Syphon was sloppy enough for me to not want him to put pen to paper ever again. Not an issue with the balance or usability of the item itself, just that he used Plasma as though it were an actual rule/type of weapon like Lance or Melta.

Sloppy.

Honestly...I am confused. I do not know what you are talking about

Ulumeathi Plasma Syphon: roughly, it messes with the BS of any model using a plasma weapon. Now the sloppy bit is that in the rules there are no plasma weapons. You have special rules like Melta, Lance, Gets Hot, Poisoned, etc. Those are special rules, listed under the weapon, and they have a quantifiable impact on the game. Plasma on the other hand, is fluff. From a rules standpoint, there is no difference between any different guns with range X, strength Y and AP Z (assuming no other rules). If one gun is described as firing hypersonic slugs, another fires rabid pit bulls, and the last fires bolts of plasma, rules wise there is no difference, they all play the same.

The rules for the plasma syphon specifically said plasma weapons, which is not a rule, just a fluffy description of the weapon, which means that not only would you have to read the flavor text to know if the weapon was impacted by the device, but that any future weapons introduced could be impacted based on what the descriptor text says. And descriptor text isn't supposed to be used for rule adjudication. What would you do for a weapon that says "This weapon burns through armor like it's nothing, and unlike the plasma weapons of the Imperium, won't melt your hand off."? The text implies that the weapon is plasma based, but it doesn't say so. Maybe it works on pure awesomeness, and the comparison to Imperial plasma weaponry was good flavor to flesh out the army and weapon.

Which is why I consider the Plasma Syphon rules to be sloppy.

And if anyone want's an army with traitor legion geneseed, that's what the Dark Founding is for. Or you could just say the Alpha Legion did it (because, why not?).

That is pretty sloppy.

Why is their Ward hate in this here blood ravens thread?

Because opinions on the internet backed by humorous metaphors spread like a fire in a used wooden furniture store.

iproxtaco wrote:Because opinions on the internet backed by humorous metaphors spread like a fire in a used wooden furniture store.

thumbs up for the analogy...

Anyhow...Ward isn't that bad of a writer/rule giver...people just love to bitch and moan.....

bombboy1252 wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Because opinions on the internet backed by humorous metaphors spread like a fire in a used wooden furniture store.

thumbs up for the analogy...

Anyhow...Ward isn't that bad of a writer/rule giver...people just love to bitch and moan.....

True dat!

Well, time to get back on topic...

What was the "Canon" ending of soulstorm? I know the Blood ravens got their bums handed to them, but who "Won"?

IIRC it was the Imperial Guard...

purplefood wrote:IIRC it was the Imperial Guard...

Imperial guard?

HERESY!!!!

There is no known source to give Soulstorm a canon ending, all we know is the Marines lost.

Kinda like the 'Nid ending in Retribution.