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With you on that

A good opponent is worth a little grey in my vision

Tlo1048 wrote:I dont mind it at all. It usually depends on whether or not they are pieces with some sort of conversion though, because that means they've invested they're not just lazy. Personally, most of my army is painted or at least primed to the same color as my army so its less noticeable.

But if you invest in your models, I have no issue

Some people simply do not care for painting and/or converting. Playing with an unpainted/unconverted army does not equate to laziness, it probably just means that somebody has a different idea about how to enjoy playing 40k than you do. The expense of purchasing models already shows a rather large investment into the game.

augustus5 wrote:

Tlo1048 wrote:I dont mind it at all. It usually depends on whether or not they are pieces with some sort of conversion though, because that means they've invested they're not just lazy. Personally, most of my army is painted or at least primed to the same color as my army so its less noticeable.

But if you invest in your models, I have no issue

Some people simply do not care for painting and/or converting. Playing with an unpainted/unconverted army does not equate to laziness, it probably just means that somebody has a different idea about how to enjoy playing 40k than you do. The expense of purchasing models already shows a rather large investment into the game.

Viable

Ronin wrote:

Im not shunning or admonishing anyone if they prefer certain parts of the hobby to others, even if its just converting over painting. I was just simply asking for the sake of understanding, because I do not understand the mentality of going through awesome conversion work, and then just let it stay as a metal/plastic/resin/converted bit figure, when it seems to me that giving it a paintjob would make it more awesome (and also bring out the details of your conversion work).

I have an awesomely converted warboss on a bike, converted from 4-5 different kits that looks awesome. Unpainted. I had an idea and wanted to run with it, so it got built. Painting isnt in the equation. Its all about the convertion, not about the paint job. I could care less if it ever gets painted.


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nkelsch wrote: If I have two units of unpainted AoBR boys next to each other, it is impossible to know where one unit ends and another begins. This happened for multiple people at 'ard boyz and the game broke down, especially in cc. People lost where they shouldn't have and games were influenced directly due to unpainted models with no squad markings or distinguishing marks.

That also happens with painted ork boyz squads. And even more so with tyranid genestealer and termigaunt squads, they dont have squad markings.


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Ascalam wrote:With you on that

A good opponent is worth a little grey in my vision

There are people in this thread, with painted armies, I wouldnt play against with my own painted armies. Given their attitude, I dont think I'd get a good game.

Ronin wrote:

Tzeentchling9 wrote:The kitbashed and converted stuff is the stuff that usually ends up painted. I like cutting up pieces and using other bits from the norm. Done right, they don't need to be painted to look cool. I find it hard to concentrate on a model when in the back of my mind I know there are 100+ of the same one waiting(Looking at you, WotR Goblins!). I'm trying to get them painted though.

The point is, I love certain aspects of the hobby, but painting is not one of them. Why should I be shunned for that? Or, better yet, why am I only accepted if I quickly slap a terrible paint job on them instead of going about it in my own way?

EDIT: Ugh I'm apparently to tired to type what my brain is trying to think.

Im not shunning or admonishing anyone if they prefer certain parts of the hobby to others, even if its just converting over painting. I was just simply asking for the sake of understanding, because I do not understand the mentality of going through awesome conversion work, and then just let it stay as a metal/plastic/resin/converted bit figure, when it seems to me that giving it a paintjob would make it more awesome (and also bring out the details of your conversion work).

I ask only cause Im more of a painter, but I do like the occasional kitbash/conversion. But for me, that conversion work has no meaning unless I paint it as well. But like I said, not shunning anyone here, as Ill be happy to play a game. Just that if you plonk down a figure that's had some cool conversion work done, and you dont intend to paint it, it will make me want to paint the thing for you.

Sorry, my question(s) at the end were more directed at the thread in general and particularly those who said that they would(do) not play against painted armies.

Personally, I will never do it.
I just don't like fielding unpainted grey plastic.

I come from historicals, where it is expected that you will have a painted army - as it is often important for differentiation of different Roman legions, or other troops where a common uniform style covered several time periods.

The game will be more enjoyable for me if both armies are painted, but I'm not going to insist that YOU paint your horde of grey plastic.

Hmmmm.....
I would like to say I abhor people who field armys that aren't painted, but unfortanatley I'm one of them.
So, I guess I don't mind.

With my old Ork army, about 50% was painted. With my new CSM army, i refuse to use any unpainted models. I prefer fighting against painted armies, since unpainted models signals that the owner doesn't really care so much about his models. Paint your stuff!

The idea of someone not caring about their models is just the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I remember when I droped my baby (Metal Ghaz) on the pavement (nothing broke off and no real damages...lucky) I felt a little sick to my stomach, and I had to sit down for a couple minutes....

my models mean the world to me, and only like 25% are painted.

@paratroopersimon: Well I am not sure if everyone feels -that- strongly about their models, but I do have to say, you already pay a fortune for the models, so I don't see why anyone really wouldn't care.

It's nice to see fully painted armies on fully painted terrain, but when it comes down to it, I won't judge you if you've got unpainted stuff. I personally love painting, but I know it's not for everyone.

If we're going to judge folks on the basis of % of army painted, where do we stop? Do we judge folks who have a "painted" army, but isn't painted up to our standards? I know that several folks at my FLGS don't exactly have GD winning armies; there are some armies that are, quite frankly, eyesores; though I consider my stuff tabletop standard, I pale in comparison to the better painters at my FLGS (one of whom *is* a GD winner, and another is a former 'eavy Metal painter). Should we refuse a game with them?

I wouldnt mind as much getting rundown by a nicely painted unit..rather than those cold, dull, characterless primed or plastic models. Oh you gamers with your maths, paint and enjoy the spectacle, make it a story instead of averages

I still play and while my mate cant afford eagles yet, its square bases with a biro marking which way its facing

I love fielding my orcs (makes the battle,fluff & story), but i just face plastic.

He does drybrush terrain to his credit and one day ill paint his whole army.

I am in the reserves, ROTC, engaged, a 20 credit hour college student(soon to be 27 next semester), painting is simply something I don't have time for. I only have 2 painted armies and only one that is above table top standard. I will play against just about anyone as long as they are good spirited and at least have assembled models, but im not too stiff if they proxy a unit as long as one model represents them. TBH I have never been much of a painter, not that great at it. I do like conversions though.

Plus I am worried about ruining some of my models with a bad paint job. Its discouraging to spend a lot of time on a model and then look at it and think... that sucks

thechosen1 wrote:

If we're going to judge folks on the basis of % of army painted, where do we stop?

3 colors and based. The standard that has been in place by GW and major indy events for decades. Seems to work fine.

Guys.

Chicks are more impressed by painted armies than unpainted armies.

I play Warhammer 40K to pick up chicks.

That is all I have to say on this topic.

kronk wrote:Guys.

Chicks are more impressed by painted armies than unpainted armies.

I play Warhammer 40K to pick up chicks.

That is all I have to say on this topic.

QFT, especially pink space marines.

I MUUUCH prefer playing with painted models... it does make the game a better experience. That being said, most of my Eldar army is just primed black. I have paint on... three or four units. I love building the models and playing the game, but I'm just not a huge fan of painting. If I had the money, I would probably send them off to be commissioned.

So, while I certainly prefer painted models, I can't bash anyone for not having painted =P

My buddy was playing with unpainted Tau. I was playing a fully painted Black Templar Army.

I now have 2 wives and he has none.

True story.

Amphsix wrote:@paratroopersimon: Well I am not sure if everyone feels -that- strongly about their models, but I do have to say, you already pay a fortune for the models, so I don't see why anyone really wouldn't care.

I've heard various incarnations of this argument "40k costs so much, at least they bought the models even if they're not painted" and it always rings false to me. I couldn't care less how much someone does or doesn't spend on their models. The amount of money spent is not, IMHO, a reason to respect someones army more or less.

I judge the appearance of an army by it's appearance. Painted armies look impressive, unpainted figs look unimpressive. Money doesn't come into that assessment.

Tomb King wrote: Its discouraging to spend a lot of time on a model and then look at it and think... that sucks

It's even more discouraging to look across the table at a grey army and think "that sucks".

Seriously though, it's clear from your posting that you're a busy dude, but the relatively common argument that unpainted is better than a poor paintjob almost never holds water.

After viewing the amazingly painted minis at places like Dakka, CMoN and WD, Folks forget that an army is usually viewed by your opponent from 3-4 feet away on a tabletop. Even a basic sloppy block paintjob (with no shading, highlighting or washing) when paired with a simple flocked base and in the company of many other figures looks far better from the opposite side of the table than a grey horde. 4 colors and some flock or sand is a painting standard that is in reach for almost anyone.

nkelsch wrote:3 colors and based. The standard that has been in place by GW and major indy events for decades. Seems to work fine.

Eilif wrote:4 colors and some flock or sand is a painting standard that is in reach for almost anyone.

Do I hear 5 colors!? 5!?

Seriously though, I don't care what your army looks like. You can have the prettiest army in the world, and while I will ooh and aah for a few minutes before the game starts, once it does I'm not seeing your models as anything but stat lines in my brain. That HE spear dude is still S3/T3/blah/blah/blah whether he's painted to a Golden Daemon standard, painted nicely, painted table top, painted but not based, not painted or even just a torso and legs.

More important than anything else, to me, is having a good opponent who is there for a good time regardless. That makes or breaks a game more than anything else.

kronk wrote:My buddy was playing with unpainted Tau. I was playing a fully painted Black Templar Army.

I now have 2 wives and he has none.

True story.

I have painted minis.

Will you marry me?

Exactly.

Babe magnet.

Eilif wrote:

Tomb King wrote: Its discouraging to spend a lot of time on a model and then look at it and think... that sucks

It's even more discouraging to look across the table at a grey army and think "that sucks".

That depends is Draigo destroyer of worlds involved? lol

streamdragon wrote:Seriously though, I don't care what your army looks like. You can have the prettiest army in the world, and while I will ooh and aah for a few minutes before the game starts, once it does I'm not seeing your models as anything but stat lines in my brain....

More important than anything else, to me, is having a good opponent who is there for a good time regardless. That makes or breaks a game more than anything else.

A perfectly valid pair of opinions. We both would agree on the high importance of a good opponent, but whereas you highly value the gameplay itself, my value in that place is the spectacle. If anything the stat-line is of secondary importance to me.

I just have to point out that there is a reocurring statement from some in this thread. They say they shouldnt be shunned from the game because they dont have time to paint. I will stick by my guns here, this is not a game....its a hobby. If you want to play a game, Call of Duty 3 is coming out I heard, or there is this game called World of Warcraft that people seem to devote an almost cult like following to... If you want to be part of THIS community then at least make an effort to make the game enjoyable for all involved. A painted army is as much for the enjoyment of your opponent as it is for your own gratifaction. No one is saying that you have to paint it to GD standards in a single weekend....but when you are still throwing around your 3rd edition orks in that tackle box and they still have zip for paint on them...thats not a case of no time...thats a case of just plain lazy. I mean primer, spray can base, dry-brush and a couple details and there you go...all done. Call me an elitest if you wish....

I work 12-14 hours a day for the Army, go to shool in the evening several nights a week, still have to provide quality time to the wife (by far the most painful of these time requirements ), work on my motorcycles, deal with my 16 year old daughters "OMG the world is ending because of Blah blah blah", and still find time to pump out 3 40K armies, 5 WHFB armies and just about every pig and goblin unit from the Malifaux line. No they are not all completely painted, but I continue to work towards that goal. To just say "F" it, I am not painting this stuff, means I no longer want to participate in the "Hobby". Oh and in addition I also just got bit by the Apoc bug and some of you have seen my recent Plague Tower and Hell Talon projects.

biccat wrote:...Someone actually had unpainted miniatures in their gallery? I sure hope that they got told. How those people could possibly live with themselves, I have no idea. They must hate puppies.

They got told.

augustus5 wrote:Playing with an unpainted/unconverted army does not equate to laziness,...

Yes it does.

Welcome back, get anything painted in that gallery? Oh, right.

augustus5 wrote:I was the one with the unpainted minis in my gallery. How dare I post pictures of unpainted figures that I was selling in the swap shop at the time. Augustus really got me on that one. You should go back and read the last thread. He made a real fool of himself when he pulled his "ah-ha" moment on me over those unpainted Eldar figures.

I'm surprised you bothered showing up since all you have left is attacks? That's funny.

Use the time you spend here indignantly defending playing unpainted to actually paint something!

kronk wrote:Guys.

Chicks are more impressed by painted armies than unpainted armies.

I play Warhammer 40K to pick up chicks.

That is all I have to say on this topic.

The ladies do indeed love a good paint job:

If I only play with painted miniatures. Just a few days ago I was at my local GW and was watching a Fantasy game. One player had a buetifully painted ogre army, while his oppenent had an unpainted Tomb Kings army. It was an eyesore seeing these great looking ogres against bare-plastic Tomb Kings.

I'm pretty indifferent because I have 18 armies and over 9000 models. So not everything is painted.

I base my "will I participate in a game of the Warhams with you?" strictly on "Do I like you Y/N?"

I see no issue with playing win unpainted minis. I just started the game and their is no way that im going to get 2500 points painted any time soon. I have a job and a wife I have to keep happy so I can play on the weekends!