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phantommaster wrote:

DreadlordME! wrote:A 280 point beast like that should be EW in my opinion.

T6 and 5 Wounds? No.

Draigo-T 5, 4 wounds, 2+/3++ and EW
Lysander- T4, 4wounds, 2+/3++ and EW
Bloodthirseter- T6, , W4, 4++ all time, and EW
Lord of Change- T6, W4, 3++ or 4++ all time amd EW
GUO- IIRC he has -T7, FNP, 4++ or 5++ all time,W4, and EW.
But T6,, W5 ans a 3+ armour, with only a 4++ in CC? Not a chance.

Ok , Giving a creature thats already hard to kill with AT weapons and giving it Enternal Warrior ? its what toughness 6 nothing can insta kill it except titan Weapons , let alone NO Conventinal infantry weapon can truely hurt you , Pointless making an Already powerful peice invincibility almost , like giving Commisar Yarrack 9 wounds , think about it

Then why do DP, summond Greater Daemons and all MC Chaos Daemons have it if it is so cheesy.

And the fact that D weapons can destroy it is even.worse. I actually did play a game with a swarmlord who had 3 guards. The Turbolaser shot landed so that every model in the unit was.covered and they all died.

Whereas Marneus Calgar just tanked out a Volcano Cannon shot


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Then why do DP, summond Greater Daemons and all MC Chaos Daemons have it if it is so cheesy.

And the fact that D weapons can destroy it is even.worse. I actually did play a game with a swarmlord who had 3 guards. The Turbolaser shot landed so that every model in the unit was.covered and they all died.

Whereas Marneus Calgar just tanked out a Volcano Cannon shot

That gak about no sidearms hurting it? Yeah, Lasguns can.hurt it. AT weapons, namely Meltas and Krak missiles wound on 2+ and ignore its.armour, so those 2 points are wrong.

Kasrkin229 wrote:Ok , Giving a creature thats already hard to kill with AT weapons and giving it Enternal Warrior ? its what toughness 6 nothing can insta kill it except titan Weapons , let alone NO Conventinal infantry weapon can truely hurt you , Pointless making an Already powerful peice invincibility almost , like giving Commisar Yarrack 9 wounds , think about it

*cough* Force Weapons *cough*

Deadshots argument wins it for me.

EW it is!@

phantommaster wrote:

DreadlordME! wrote:A 280 point beast like that should be EW in my opinion.

T6 and 5 Wounds? No.

Have him get killed by one no name arsehat with a nemesis hammer and then come back to us. Literally all of the swarmlord's equivalents get eternal warrior and I feel that the nids have been punished enough already with their godawful codex.

Deadshot wrote:

phantommaster wrote:

DreadlordME! wrote:A 280 point beast like that should be EW in my opinion.

T6 and 5 Wounds? No.

Draigo-T 5, 4 wounds, 2+/3++ and EW
Lysander- T4, 4wounds, 2+/3++ and EW
Bloodthirseter- T6, , W4, 4++ all time, and EW
Lord of Change- T6, W4, 3++ or 4++ all time amd EW
GUO- IIRC he has -T7, FNP, 4++ or 5++ all time,W4, and EW.
But T6,, W5 ans a 3+ armour, with only a 4++ in CC? Not a chance.

Lets see how many things can Instant Death this:

Callidus Assassin
Wraithguard
Force Weapon
Jaws
Warp Rift
Old Zog (Ork guy)

Just off the top of my head, now 4 of those are Psychic Powers which are quite hard to get off with Shadow in the Warp.

Oh BTW, you forgot Mephiston: T6, 5 Wounds, only 1 point of save better, doesn't deserve Eternal Warrior either?

phantommaster wrote:

Deadshot wrote:

phantommaster wrote:

DreadlordME! wrote:A 280 point beast like that should be EW in my opinion.

T6 and 5 Wounds? No.

Draigo-T 5, 4 wounds, 2+/3++ and EW
Lysander- T4, 4wounds, 2+/3++ and EW
Bloodthirseter- T6, , W4, 4++ all time, and EW
Lord of Change- T6, W4, 3++ or 4++ all time amd EW
GUO- IIRC he has -T7, FNP, 4++ or 5++ all time,W4, and EW.
But T6,, W5 ans a 3+ armour, with only a 4++ in CC? Not a chance.

Lets see how many things can Instant Death this:

Callidus Assassin
Wraithguard
Force Weapon
Jaws
Warp Rift
Old Zog (Ork guy)

Just off the top of my head, now 4 of those are Psychic Powers which are quite hard to get off with Shadow in the Warp.

Oh BTW, you forgot Mephiston: T6, 5 Wounds, only 1 point of save better, doesn't deserve Eternal Warrior either?

Honestly I wouldn't mind people like Mephiston and Grimaldus getting Eternal Warrior. But Robin Cruddance decided that giving the Tyranids EW to match literally everyone else's close combat kill train was too much to ask for, just another addition to his long list of spiteful pot shots at the Tyranids. Honestly I like Robin less than Ward, at least Ward shows Enthusiasm, whereas I highly suspect that Robin in all actuality didn't like the Tyranids very much, and thus decided to go in and slap the Tyranids with the single least competitive 5th edition codex.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Kasrkin229 wrote:Ok , Giving a creature thats already hard to kill with AT weapons and giving it Enternal Warrior ? its what toughness 6 nothing can insta kill it except titan Weapons , let alone NO Conventinal infantry weapon can truely hurt you , Pointless making an Already powerful peice invincibility almost , like giving Commisar Yarrack 9 wounds , think about it

*cough* Force Weapons *cough*

yes but not all of us where as gifted as the Grey Knights when it came to some OP weapons ,

phantommaster wrote:

Deadshot wrote:

phantommaster wrote:

DreadlordME! wrote:A 280 point beast like that should be EW in my opinion.

T6 and 5 Wounds? No.

Draigo-T 5, 4 wounds, 2+/3++ and EW
Lysander- T4, 4wounds, 2+/3++ and EW
Bloodthirseter- T6, , W4, 4++ all time, and EW
Lord of Change- T6, W4, 3++ or 4++ all time amd EW
GUO- IIRC he has -T7, FNP, 4++ or 5++ all time,W4, and EW.
But T6,, W5 ans a 3+ armour, with only a 4++ in CC? Not a chance.

Lets see how many things can Instant Death this:

Callidus Assassin
Wraithguard
Force Weapon
Jaws
Warp Rift
Old Zog (Ork guy)

Just off the top of my head, now 4 of those are Psychic Powers which are quite hard to get off with Shadow in the Warp.

Oh BTW, you forgot Mephiston: T6, 5 Wounds, only 1 point of save better, doesn't deserve Eternal Warrior either?

Nothing about him or his fluff needs eternal warrior. Both Draigo and Lysander have rather remarkable backstories. Mephiston got over being angry. He's still a normal SM. He didn't frolic through the warp like Draigo, he didn't survive being tortured for years on end (in the warp), and he isn't a daemon.

The Swarmlord is supposed to be the baddest of them all, yet he can get roflstomped easily by by weapons that would only slightly singe the above mentioned EW guys.

Kasrkin229 wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Kasrkin229 wrote:Ok , Giving a creature thats already hard to kill with AT weapons and giving it Enternal Warrior ? its what toughness 6 nothing can insta kill it except titan Weapons , let alone NO Conventinal infantry weapon can truely hurt you , Pointless making an Already powerful peice invincibility almost , like giving Commisar Yarrack 9 wounds , think about it

*cough* Force Weapons *cough*

yes but not all of us where as gifted as the Grey Knights when it came to some OP weapons ,

Watching your swarmlord get punked by a no name librarian with a force staff is demoralizing. Especially when the much smaller Marneus Calgar would laugh at said force staff.

Kasrkin229 wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Kasrkin229 wrote:Ok , Giving a creature thats already hard to kill with AT weapons and giving it Enternal Warrior ? its what toughness 6 nothing can insta kill it except titan Weapons , let alone NO Conventinal infantry weapon can truely hurt you , Pointless making an Already powerful peice invincibility almost , like giving Commisar Yarrack 9 wounds , think about it

*cough* Force Weapons *cough*

yes but not all of us where as gifted as the Grey Knights when it came to some OP weapons ,

You said nothing bar Titan Weapons could ID him, I proved you wrong. Why does that mean you have to rage a bit at Grey Knights just because?

Well snap. Didn't think about that part personally.

However, with the arrival of 6th Ed I think it's now a rather moot point.

EW would be really sweet, but I'd rather all Hive Tyrants have some sort of Invulnerable save at all times, not just the Swarmlord in CC.

Hell, I'd love any Invulnerable saves in my Tyranids other than Zoanthropes.

You mean plasma spam is an effective way to deal with 'Nids?



Why did I not realise this before? Damn....

Nidzilla hates Plasma spam because we don't get any of those precious invulnerable saves.