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Nice one Bounty! That really helps add perspective.

The original thought behind the basic weapon shape was to make a sword/cleaver/axe. I thought this captured the brutal chopping attack of the Rage Demon. He probably would not stab. He would probably just pound away at his foes in a complete rage.

In this respect, a giant bludgeon like the tetsubo would make perfect sense.

I am open to the idea of the metal forged and bound weapon, which is forced through and carried along by the will of the demon itself.

Perhaps check out the new thread I opened up on the Giger demon and see if that helps form your thoughts on the weapons that demons use in our universe. I am hoping we can develop a consistency behind the rationale of these demons and their demonic weapons.

Perhaps try a Club/Tetsubo with those 'Spine" effects from G spiraling up the central shaft, and the spikes, as on the Tips of H, jutting randomly out of the spine as it winds it's way to the tip. I may not be able to 'Shop that up, but I'll try.

A comment on the asymmetry in regards to the organic bone armor. If you wanted to go that route it could be done with heavier bone armor along one arm, in the way gladiators sometimes have only one arm and shoulder completely armored.

I love the idea of the tetsubo as a pure smashing weapon (nothing says rage more than smashing). You could even make it look like its made of he same bony material as the armor to visually tie it in.

Best I can do on this computer in the time I have. I think it gives a pretty solid idea of where I'm going though. The only big change would be narrow the bottom the weapon, so it's more conical than brick-on-a-stick.

Personally I really like the H weapon, or the original versions on here of the sentient weapon that would split in half.

I think that one problem in miniatures is that a great idea can often not translate particularly well when it's smaller. What I mean by that is that because any detail is, by definition smaller, it can get almost confusing when something elaborate is tried like have a weapon that is a melded part of the arm and it's easy for it to look like the model is poorly sculpted at that point. I'm not sure if I've explained that particularly clearly though...

Bounty wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:Honestly, I don't like ANY of them. In all seriousness, anything in your recent upload would put this firmly in my "not interested" category.

I like the axe. I like the idea of a a tetsubo, too.
Those "meat cleaver" looking weapons and the fused weapons, though... they just don't work for me.

Eric

Not even in Perspective?

Honestly, no. Not at all. The fused weapons just don't work for me, and meat cleavers make me think Nurgle... and I still don't like 'em.

That tetsubo you mocked up was interesting, but I'd need to see a cleaner version. If it's "too" different from a traditional weapon, I don't think it would work for me.
As odd as it sounds, my personal preferences are for a weapon that looks closer to the traditional version or no weapons at all. Just bare fists/claws.

Now, to check out the G-Demon.


Eric

Lots of good stuff to consider here... but I am still stumped on the weapon. The Tetsubo seems to have a strong appeal. I could offer a badass demorganic bone tetsubo as a weapon, along with a fused weapon alternative? The other hand can have a fused option and an open hand option? I dunno. At any rate, I will finish up some weapon designs for Tuesday. By then this thread will have drifted into necroville.... but Ill post designs as soon as I got them made.

Jeremy wrote:Lots of good stuff to consider here... but I am still stumped on the weapon. The Tetsubo seems to have a strong appeal. I could offer a badass demorganic bone tetsubo as a weapon, along with a fused weapon alternative? The other hand can have a fused option and an open hand option? I dunno. At any rate, I will finish up some weapon designs for Tuesday. By then this thread will have drifted into necroville.... but Ill post designs as soon as I got them made.

So far your top votes seem to be Tetsubo, Dual Axe, and Graft. So that would be 4 arms minimum, 6 of you can afford to add that.
* Tetsubo Right
* Axe Right
* Open Left
* Graft Axe Left (Or graft axe-hand (H) )
* Graft Axe Right
* Axe Left

That is an accurate breakdown. If the pieces are separated by the hand(wrist), I could then do 6 I think, but that is going to jack my production costs a bit. I want to keep costs down, but offering weapons-sold-separately is kinda douchey, so Id rather just include them all and bump up a price a few bucks.

I wonder if the left and right axe are demorganic or metal forged?

So, umm, I'm just going to jump in here about the whole genitalia/sexuality thing (do we have any other females here?)

It seems that it's already been agreed upon that there are going to be boobs for the succubus because succubi are demoness' of seduction. 'Course we have to have a succubus, because boobs sell. Now the question is if we've got a demon of rage right here, why must the female counterpart have to be a succubus? You could have a female rage demon counterpart. God knows that us women can be just as equally terrifying when set off. She would have to have smaller breasts because they're really not all that comfortable for rage type activity and they tend to get in the way.
But back to the current subject, the male rage demon here. Being understood that this demon would be more of a demon that encompasses the aspect of rage, I can understand an extremely masculine, aggressive looking bugger. He's big, he's extremely muscular, and he's very intimidating that way. But the other part that makes a male a "male" is the cojones. If we've got a succubus with big breasts, why can't I have my demon with a big ? But I understand that this is a rage demon, not an incubus. From here I can understand that this current design without male bits does a very good job of portraying a rage demon, and I can deal with a bony loincloth or covering. I'd prefer a more tasteful style than a Ken look down there. I swear it's just that these cultists of course have to summon some succubus but obviously not an incubus, it'd be too sexually intimidating. And I understand, it's a men's world out here. As Bounty mentioned, where's the incubi? I NEED MY (humor here, please don't think I'm some sort of sex crazed female)

As for the tetsubo, I think that would be an awesome weapon. The graft hand axe is an interesting concept, but I find it hard to be used effectively, especially in that sketch with the way it's positioned on the hand.

Yeah, the philosophy is basically that rage is bestial, primal fury. Teeth, muscle, etc. Male genitals actually have a power function, historically, but it it invoked potence and authority, not mindless destruction. Likewise, females weren't usually associated with raw violence, probably because they usually lacked the mass and muscle development of males. Of course, exceptions existed, such as the Amazons, but tended to be remarkable as an exception.

I would suggest that any demon of power beyond sheer destruction should have alot of phallic references as it indicates its potence and, psychologically, what his followers are seeking.

One observation I have is that I would expect a rage demon to have more hair and be more bestial. Shaven bodies historically are more associated with nobility or prostitutes. Shaggy, blood matted fur and hair is much more primal. The bones look more reptilian, which, while fierce, indicate more cold cunning the rage. To that end, I like the more hunched posture as it looks more bestial.

Perhaps think more minotaur/werewolf/satyr human beast transition and less draconic?

VERY GOOD

Just a thought, and not even necessarily something I'm suggesting. Just "spit-balling":
Does he have to be wielding a weapon at all? Why can't HE be the weapon?
I mean, I can't think of any more show of rage than to tear a person apart with your bare hands.


Eric

Have to say for the tail I'd love to see a whip-like Thagomiser (the technical term for the spikes on a Stegosaurus tail) as I think that would look awesome and really cement organic death dealing armour into place.......

jmurph wrote:... Male genitals actually have a power function, historically, but it it invoked potence and authority, not mindless destruction. Likewise, females weren't usually associated with raw violence, probably because they usually lacked the mass and muscle development of males. Of course, exceptions existed, such as the Amazons, but tended to be remarkable as an exception.

Remember that Amazon translates to 'one breasted' because in the orginal legends they used thier sword to remove the left breast, this being pretty much required to fight in the greek phallanx style. It also serves as a pretty graphic representation if the forsaking of beauty for power, rejecting that which made them women to become as men were.


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Jeremy wrote:That is an accurate breakdown. If the pieces are separated by the hand(wrist), I could then do 6 I think, but that is going to jack my production costs a bit. I want to keep costs down, but offering weapons-sold-separately is kinda douchey, so Id rather just include them all and bump up a price a few bucks.

I wonder if the left and right axe are demorganic or metal forged?

If we use the 6 hands I suggested earlier the Grafts would be Demorganic, and the Normal could be metal.This way no matter which you want (Metal, Demorganic, Grafted, Axe, Tetsubo, one weapon or two) there's a way to build it that doesn't include the others.

In that sense then, if we define male and female by physical traits, demons shouldn't have any gender label applied to them as you would with humans. Objectively, Amazons are still women, but our social perspective would define her as losing her femininity. A succubus would be a representation of seduction and thus represent female physical traits related to that aspect, which would include breasts.
With rage, I feel that any phallic references would in effect detract from it. The embodiment of rage would be something of destruction.

I would suggest that any demon of power beyond sheer destruction should have alot of phallic references as it indicates its potence and, psychologically, what his followers are seeking.

My feeling is that phallic references symbolically represent more of domination than rage. At this point, I feel as if I'd be beating a dead horse over whether rage and domination would go together and/or what aspect of rage we're representing here. I'll leave that to the artist.

I'd also like to see a more bestial demon, but I'm really loving how the current sketches are turning out, I really can't wait to see what it ends up as

itsacoyote wrote:In that sense then, if we define male and female by physical traits, demons shouldn't have any gender label applied to them as you would with humans. Objectively, Amazons are still women, but our social perspective would define her as losing her femininity. A succubus would be a representation of seduction and thus represent female physical traits related to that aspect, which would include breasts.
I'd also like to see a more bestial demon, but I'm really loving how the current sketches are turning out, I really can't wait to see what it ends up as

Pretty much this.

I'm used to the artists start point because I use a close variant to it when i develop fantasy setting cosmologies. A demon in his natural form isn't bound into those dimentions of reality which humans readily precieve. The act of drawing the 'force' that is a demonic essence into our realm requires that the force be given form, and that form is determined by those drawing the force down. The force has a gender in as much as the concept of the force would have one.

Nice. I am a big fan of Demons with exposed muscle tissue.

Mate...you have some serious talent...good luck

For more demonic creature ideas, recommend checking out Paul Richards web page. He was a designer on Quake and Darksiders and did a lot of the design for different demonic characters in those games.
http://www.autodestruct.com/
Word of warning, NSFW artwork within.

Jeremy wrote:
Other artists have inspired me with some starting points. Other people made this stuff, not me. Just inspiration.

I would love to see something along the lines of the first pic in that row. No wings. No weapons. No armor. Just something that is a mass of pure demonic muscle.

itsacoyote wrote:My feeling is that phallic references symbolically represent more of domination than rage. At this point, I feel as if I'd be beating a dead horse over whether rage and domination would go together and/or what aspect of rage we're representing here. I'll leave that to the artist.

I'd also like to see a more bestial demon, but I'm really loving how the current sketches are turning out, I really can't wait to see what it ends up as

My thoughts exactly! I think we can all agree that this effort shows enormous talent and thought.

Just stumbled across this post, and I have to say great work man. I have a thought for you for a weapon that rarely sees any heed paid to it, the Macuahuitl. It is the Aztec wooden sword with the obsidian chips on the edges. Very brutal and it could be easily done in the demorganic nature.

commissarbob wrote:Just stumbled across this post, and I have to say great work man. I have a thought for you for a weapon that rarely sees any heed paid to it, the Macuahuitl. It is the Aztec wooden sword with the obsidian chips on the edges. Very brutal and it could be easily done in the demorganic nature.

I hadn't heard of this, so I had to look it up and came up with the following images. I would have thought that something like this would suit quite well, maybe with bone rather than obsidian.

commissarbob wrote:Just stumbled across this post, and I have to say great work man. I have a thought for you for a weapon that rarely sees any heed paid to it, the Macuahuitl. It is the Aztec wooden sword with the obsidian chips on the edges. Very brutal and it could be easily done in the demorganic nature.

Yeah, that works well too. I know the Lizardmen used to have a lot of these, not sure if the new models do.

Actually, the Macuahuitl would look really good. You could even use something that looks more bony instead of the obsidian and metal for the rest for the Deamorganic look. It looks like a slab of metal that grew teeth and would really support the rage theme.

Although I could personally testify that a woman's rage can indeed be more terrifying than a man's, creating one of each raises the question of whether they are a race that can mate, etc. Although in some fiction Daemon just means "something from another plane" and these creatures are actually completely normal beings back on their planes of existance, I don't think that's the idea here. One way to play it off would be to have a male daemon of rage and a female daemon of hate/swift death/assassination or some such. She would be a female warriors of infinite cold hatered who kills without mercy but with infinite precision. A perfect warrior/hunter instead of a brutal beast. She would be the one with a slim figure and sexual traits not emphasized. Just enough to let you know you are facing a woman's infinite capacity for malice

Using the tail as a weapon speaks of finesse unless its a brutal club on a fairly shot tail to crush skulls.

Hello,
I just found today these posts from Jeremy while I was searching for the whereabouts of Ultraforge with Sophia and Jeremy. I tried to read up all, but it seems Jeremy did not show up here for a few months. Has one more informations how his projects are going?

hmm just and idea here and yes im just spitballing many of you will probably slate me for it but maybe when you look at the ogres from dragonage facially and with there horns also maybe having some kind of axe/maul weapon as the REASON the demon exists and have maybe barbed bone chains that have attatched to the demons arms as if he was once mortal who picked up the weapon and the rage of the demon flowed into him and the weapon controls him also with the bone armour plates maybe have half of the chest and the one shoulder with almost like a raised bone pauldron like a demonic gladiator im not a fan of the multiple sets of arms idea seems to goro from mortal combat'ish also i liked the design of the feet where it was more dragon/lizard/lupine in contrast to the combo of hoof/toes if a demon has actual demonic feet you can imagine him pinning his victim down with a foot before taking his head as a trophy ....and also maybe include a belt of some sort that has trophys on it skulls and vertebrae and so on but of course just an idea here

I reckon if you're shooting for the demorganic form, I reckon a symbiotic relationship with his weapons would be best. Say, along the lines of the villain from the latest Men In Black movie?

The growth-type thing in the sketches above don't look right.