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raincity wrote:"Knights Praetorius serve under the high lords of the galactic west, acting as both guards and enforcers for their lords. Recruited for the natural skill in both ranged and close quarter fighting they are given the finest equipment and armour available to carry out their duties. Formed in secret during the civil unrest which saw the overthrowing of the tyrant Verstarker, these warriors quickly became both feared and respected as stories of their brutal efficiency in battle took hold. Within months of being formed, they had exiled the last loyal servants and the high tyrant, ending his reign of terror.
In the years since the rebellion the knights praetorius have been seen throughout the west, hunting down remnants of the arch tyrant forces, ever vigilant for his return."

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raincity wrote:

raincity wrote:"Knights Praetorius serve under the high lords of the galactic west, acting as both guards and enforcers for their lords. Recruited for the natural skill in both ranged and close quarter fighting they are given the finest equipment and armour available to carry out their duties. Formed in secret during the civil unrest which saw the overthrowing of the tyrant Verstarker, these warriors quickly became both feared and respected as stories of their brutal efficiency in battle took hold. Within months of being formed, they had exiled the last loyal servants and the high tyrant, ending his reign of terror.
In the years since the rebellion the knights praetorius have been seen throughout the west, hunting down remnants of the arch tyrant forces, ever vigilant for his return."

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Hey I totally read that one! If I recall correctly Verstarker was known as the Lord of Thorns, and you could tell his followers by the excessive amounts of spikes and spines they would affix to their armour.

It was such a bad thing having Emperor die shortly after the coronation and leaving the Empress alone to rule such a large expanse but you have to admit that it does mean that any vassle of Verstarker tends to only have a short stay in the capital's dungeon before spending a long time affixed to the castle the spikes that they love so much. No being a soft puppet figure-head for this Empress!

I'm not a fan of "true-scaling" in general, as I prefer my Marines to be not much more than human-sized in old-school RT style, I don't like the more recent (driven by BL?) presentation of SMs as giants.

That said, these kits are AMAZING, and I am tempted to buy some. I am now conflicted

Any plans to do "darker" versions of these, say for the Knight Praetorius' evil cousins?

AJC

AJCarrington wrote:Any plans to do "darker" versions of these, say for the Knight Praetorius' evil cousins?

AJC

You unable to get spikes on your own?

I really like these. The price is great too. The fact that I have tons of SM spare parts isnt helping my ability to resist buying some of these.

AJCarrington wrote:Any plans to do "darker" versions of these, say for the Knight Praetorius' evil cousins?

AJC

The potential for new varieties and ideas on the armor are limitless. Just like in the Dark Ages, icons and designs were pretty varied on armor plate and more to do with how much money the knights had to spend on the armor.

So yeah, I think it is a safe bet there will be many types of armor released.

Thanks.

@Breotan: Sure, but still curious as to the extent of this range.

Chapterhouse wrote:LOL on that note, if anyone wants to write a good background piece, let me know I can reward in product.

"In the far past, the world was united under the iron heel of the corrupt (United Earth Corporation, Confederation of States, other evil bad group name). A twisted parody of a government, (Evil bad group) was wrought with corruption and crime. So long as the overlords of terra were free to indulge in their desires, the rest of humanity could burn for all they cared. With the rise of mutations in the late 25th century, a woman known only as the Empress rose to power through the use of psychic charged orations. Using her vast intellect, she turned the poor underclass into an army of genetically engineered super-soldiers imbued with a fraction of her own psychic power. Through this amalgamation of human evolution, scientific intervention and otherworldly power, the Empress overthrew the (Evil bad group) and established herself as the leader of the people of Earth. Under her guidance the planet experienced an unprecedented period of growth, with the super-powered police state effectively eliminating any semblence of organized crime or corruption, the world was free to expend it's resources for the betterment of mankind. Expanding into space travel for more than intergallactic mining, the human race expanded into the stars where it encountered evils far worse than anything on earth."

Man that was terrible. feth me right?

Vain wrote:

raincity wrote:

raincity wrote:"Knights Praetorius serve under the high lords of the galactic west, acting as both guards and enforcers for their lords. Recruited for the natural skill in both ranged and close quarter fighting they are given the finest equipment and armour available to carry out their duties. Formed in secret during the civil unrest which saw the overthrowing of the tyrant Verstarker, these warriors quickly became both feared and respected as stories of their brutal efficiency in battle took hold. Within months of being formed, they had exiled the last loyal servants and the high tyrant, ending his reign of terror.
In the years since the rebellion the knights praetorius have been seen throughout the west, hunting down remnants of the arch tyrant forces, ever vigilant for his return."

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Hey I totally read that one! If I recall correctly Verstarker was known as the Lord of Thorns, and you could tell his followers by the excessive amounts of spikes and spines they would affix to their armour.

It was such a bad thing having Emperor die shortly after the coronation and leaving the Empress alone to rule such a large expanse but you have to admit that it does mean that any vassle of Verstarker tends to only have a short stay in the capital's dungeon before spending a long time affixed to the castle the spikes that they love so much. No being a soft puppet figure-head for this Empress!

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

Chapterhouse wrote:LOL on that note, if anyone wants to write a good background piece, let me know I can reward in product.

Make an official contest!

AegisGrimm wrote:..........True that there are no arms, heads and weapons, but that's probably something that most SM players have coming out their ears........

Arms coming out of thier ears?

Magic the gathering players surely?

Great Job Nick, I attest to their quality since mine have seen use a long time ago

Can we get more pics on the upcoming variant kit Nick ??

Cheers

These are great. Besides the size, one thing i like about them is they're not so "wasp-waisted". If you look at GW's marines (especially terminators), they're 8 feet tall with a 18 inch waist. It's weird that the figures are sculpted that way, because the art isn't.

I like this look much better. Tru-scale terminators would be awesome, too.

As soon as my FoW/ malifaux order through WS is done, i plan to jump in on a few kits worth. Must Chaosify them up a bit though.

Mat

raincity wrote:I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I was going along with your basic generic premise and trying to show how easy it would be to build upon it.
I am sorry if I confused you with the framing that made it sound like it was an existing story.

I really cant understand the positive reaction these terrible parts are getting in this forum??? those parts look really amateur, they are hardly worth handing over money for, granted if a friend showed up and he had sculpted them i would pat him on the back and say good effort, but to put them on sale to people??? I assume its because the company posted themselves so people are being extra nice or something.

That's probably not the tone you want to set with your first post..........

yeah right

swordwind99 wrote:I really cant understand the positive reaction these terrible parts are getting in this forum??? those parts look really amateur, they are hardly worth handing over money for, granted if a friend showed up and he had sculpted them i would pat him on the back and say good effort, but to put them on sale to people??? I assume its because the company posted themselves so people are being extra nice or something.

Nice first post there Swordwind.

As always the best way to vote is with your wallet.
If you don't like them don't buy it.
If you like them with the exception of a few small bits let them know and maybe they will address it.

This kit fills a niche that some people have been yearning for greatly. I am not going to say they are the bested sculpts ever but they are far superior to what I am likely to be able to do and for a price that isn't horrible. If/When I get some I will probably use them to represent Heroes/Captains and bling them up appropriately according to their chapter so I like that they aren't too filled with extra decorations.

Now if you excuse me, I need some help getting off this soapbox

the tone and the trolling might be obvious but i could no longer lurk and listen to you all blow sunshine up his rear about those parts, If thats the acceptable standard for aftermarket parts why do people get so up in the air about a few bubbles in fine cast, the sculpting over at chapterhouse has never been "professional" but if hes gonna blatantly copy marines at least put the effort in.
Come people they might be answering your true scale prayers on some level but dont put up with second rate parts,your paying money for this.

Apparently the heavy moderation on this thread has resulted in anyone not liking the models being labelled as a troll. So, that happened.

I don't think these models are that great - some parts are OK (like the torsos), and some parts are pretty bad (the power packs), and has been remarked - the prices are pretty high for what you get - 6 half-marines for the cost of 5 full marines. I rather suspect if GWS released true-scale legs at that price point the reception would be substantially different. But that's speculation.

Obviously, the fact no one else makes these kits at all does influence the reception, possibly, but this is not one of CHS's better releases, in my opinion. I'm saying this as a customer who has bought some of their stuff which I did like (the Stormraven extension kit is inspired).

Truthfully, I wish they would take some of their talent and use it to create some original IP of their own. (Still no good looking female heads from ANY studio!). There are so many genres of history untapped, so many unique looking weapons mundane and exotic, it's a shame to keep churning out legally-just-far-enough knockoffs of another studio's work. Japanese weapons alone could have dozens of new weapons packs! Well, perhaps at some point.

Thanks Ouze, should i assume by your first sentence that chapterhouse somehow hold some form of protected presence on the forum? I do find it weird that a manufacture is posting its own releases in threads in the News and Rumours.

I dont really think much to any of the bits in this thread, i can see the merits of other things they have done like the thunder chicken extension, but even that is hardly ground breaking, a bit of plasticard and a craft knife and you could do that yourself.

the two "eldar" models seem to get praise, the farseer looks terrible, its like someone stuck two fish slices to his head, the scorpion warrior is pretty good however, credit where its due shes passable.

swordwind99 wrote:Thanks Ouze, should i assume by your first sentence that chapterhouse somehow hold some form of protected presence on the forum? I do find it weird that a manufacture is posting its own releases in threads in the News and Rumours.

I have no insight into the former, but as the latter, it's actually a common practice. Kromlech, MaxMini, Ramshackle Games, Dreamforge Games, Mad Robot, and several other studios maintain new release threads here, which is nice.

Ouze wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:Thanks Ouze, should i assume by your first sentence that chapterhouse somehow hold some form of protected presence on the forum? I do find it weird that a manufacture is posting its own releases in threads in the News and Rumours.

I have no insight into the former, but as the latter, it's actually a common practice. Kromlech, MaxMini, Ramshackle Games, Dreamforge Games, Mad Robot, and several other studios maintain new release threads here, which is nice.

Wont that mean that the posters will be less likely to offer a genuine opinion? wont some feel obliged to sugar coat there opinion rather than being genuinely objective? or wont the mods feel it requires them to censor posts to keep the studios around?, particularly when those same studios are paying for banners?

I could pick fault with the marine parts all day long but, the one thing that really keeps drawing my eye is the feet and the bottom of the legs, these marine legs look like the armour is too small for them and they are wearing half mast leg armour

swordwind99 wrote:

Ouze wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:Thanks Ouze, should i assume by your first sentence that chapterhouse somehow hold some form of protected presence on the forum? I do find it weird that a manufacture is posting its own releases in threads in the News and Rumours.

I have no insight into the former, but as the latter, it's actually a common practice. Kromlech, MaxMini, Ramshackle Games, Dreamforge Games, Mad Robot, and several other studios maintain new release threads here, which is nice.

Wont that mean that the posters will be less likely to offer a genuine opinion? wont some feel obliged to sugar coat there opinion rather than being genuinely objective? or wont the mods feel it requires them to censor posts to keep the studios around?, particularly when those same studios are paying for banners?

I could pick fault with the marine parts all day long but, the one thing that really keeps drawing my eye is the feet and the bottom of the legs, these marine legs look like the armour is too small for them and they are wearing half mast leg armour

You haven't been lurking long it seems, there have been several times where negative comments have been posted on Dakka and directly resulted in improvements being made because company reps/owners read/post/lurk here.

Cyporiean wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:

Ouze wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:Thanks Ouze, should i assume by your first sentence that chapterhouse somehow hold some form of protected presence on the forum? I do find it weird that a manufacture is posting its own releases in threads in the News and Rumours.

I have no insight into the former, but as the latter, it's actually a common practice. Kromlech, MaxMini, Ramshackle Games, Dreamforge Games, Mad Robot, and several other studios maintain new release threads here, which is nice.

Wont that mean that the posters will be less likely to offer a genuine opinion? wont some feel obliged to sugar coat there opinion rather than being genuinely objective? or wont the mods feel it requires them to censor posts to keep the studios around?, particularly when those same studios are paying for banners?

I could pick fault with the marine parts all day long but, the one thing that really keeps drawing my eye is the feet and the bottom of the legs, these marine legs look like the armour is too small for them and they are wearing half mast leg armour

You haven't been lurking long it seems, there have been several times where negative comments have been posted on Dakka and directly resulted in improvements being made because company reps/owners read/post/lurk here.

cool, can you show me any examples of that ?

swordwind99 wrote:
cool, can you show me any examples of that ?

This thread for one. Originally he wasn't going to have energy weapons, as he felt they didn't fit his universe but I suggested it and some others supported the idea.

Now he has energy weapons!

Kanluwen wrote:

swordwind99 wrote:
cool, can you show me any examples of that ?

This thread for one. Originally he wasn't going to have energy weapons, as he felt they didn't fit his universe but I suggested it and some others supported the idea.

Now he has energy weapons!

This is fact.....

Bear in mind, totally not trying to hijack Chapterhouse's thread here. Was simply making an example!