Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Impressive to say the least.

Give us some juicy details. Perhaps another battle report thread.

Battle report for last saturdays game:

Lost first two games.
Won my last game against a kid who really did not know the game at all.
Due to bonus points, having an 89% percent for a paint score, a 100% sportsmanship score; the 36% for the actual games I tied for best overall. According to a rule by the store owner, a tie is broken by the highest sportsmanship score.

Yup....I won best overall with only one win....

I feel horrid... caused a flame war between some of the best 40k players at the local store.... and ultimately cheated out a prize for someone more deserving.

Josef.... thanks for bringing it here.... I appreciate it.....

This is an interesting result to me because the rules for the tournament clearly made it focused on your preparation with respect to painting and modeling than your on the table performance. If these rules are posted ahead of time, shame on anyone arguing with the person who did well based on the actual scoring criteria.

I have played GT's and finished in the bottom third due to getting killed on painting scores. I accepted this going in (this is in spite of being in the top 15-20% in Battle Points. I enjoyed the games, I enjoyed my opponents and their beautiful armies coupled with my poor overall showing prompted me to be more serious about producing a fully painted, based ready to go competitive army.

At the end of the day, those players who finished well due to their brilliant looking armies deserved it. They put in far more work than I did and I might trounce them on the battle field, but they looked damn good on the field and on their display board as casualties!

(In short: congratulations on your finish, do not be ashamed of doing well when you deserve it. Do not let the jealousy or immaturity of others take away from it)

Thank you. I don't think this would have bothered me so much if it wasn't for it being at my local store. Since everyone knows everyone, it seems to hit a bit harder.

But yea, so there are individuals are quite mad due to them thinking that all they need to do is get a "sweat shop" (actual words) to paint their armies and never step on any toes to win overall. Saying that: "With this system you can win overall with out winning a single game."

Its a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 scoring percentage that has been used a few tourneys now, but has not had a complaint about it until I played int he tourney.

Everyone knew the system, but it still caused a flame war.

jazzpaintball wrote:
But yea, so there are individuals are quite mad due to them thinking that all they need to do is get a "sweat shop" (actual words) to paint their armies and never step on any toes to win overall. Saying that: "With this system you can win overall with out winning a single game."

Its a 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 scoring percentage that has been used a few tourneys now, but has not had a complaint about it until I played int he tourney.

Everyone knew the system, but it still caused a flame war.

I said the sweat shop thing, for the record. And I am correct. You could have won with zero wins.

Don't be a martyr about it though. You won and did so using the rules which EVERYONE at the shop agrees on, including me. ALMOST everyone agrees that the calculation method might need changing. THAT was the issue for us on that forum, not you.

The issue wasn't really the idea of 1/3. It was the way they calculated it. which was not your fault. So chill out and enjoy the win. We love you Waffles. And stop moping too.

I am curious, how did they shut you down at this event? Since it was a local store event, I am guessing the opponents new your basic style and game plan in advance so had a counter ready for you. I run into that with my non-standard 'nid lists. People I play alot know how to counter it, folks that don't respect it do to lacking the "required" units get stepped on.

barnowl wrote:I am curious, how did they shut you down at this event? Since it was a local store event, I am guessing the opponents new your basic style and game plan in advance so had a counter ready for you. I run into that with my non-standard 'nid lists. People I play alot know how to counter it, folks that don't respect it do to lacking the "required" units get stepped on.

Yea, that was the primary thing.

The first game was against, in my personal opinion, one of the best players at the store. I play him constantly as a "mile-marker." Once I can beat him continuously, i know I will be ready for any marine list.
Both of us, Mike ( the marine player stated above) and I, go to tourneys to play new people. Go figure that by chance, we happened to face each other on the first round. He knows my list precisely and knew what to do. It was close, but he pulled the victory out by a kill point.

I really think my list is more effective against people who are not used to it. Tau have a hard time with their codex. Having any general know exactly what you are going to do hinders the list a bit.

The second game was pretty bad. It started off with me not having anything deployed (dawn of war) against a necron combo that caused dangerous terrain across the board.
Then after I deployed the kid said that everything I put on the table (nothing in area terrain, just the normal board) would now have to roll dangerous terrain. I understood that, but the kid said that I would take a wound if i rolled a 1 or 2.
It does say that in the Necron codex, but the terrain has to be dangerous to begin with, not just what became dangerous for the first turn.
Called a judge over and the judge ruled in my favor, lost a couple drones, but 1's are bound to happen, 2's would have decimated me.
The kid then started to do some BS things like moving through terrain, rolling a 5 and 1, moved the front person 5 inches, then moved the models in the back in front of the original model moved. That wasnt the only time, witnessing a few times a moving necron from the back of the group to the font, effectively getting a 10-12 inch move.

With sportsmanship score getting decent prize, i decided just to keep my mouth shut, and give the game. It was not worth the fight and ultimately walk away with nothing.
I do get complements on my paint job, but I never expect it to win prizes, so I did not even plan on that.

The third game was with a newbie. Loved the kid. He had not played against tau before, and I gave him a full rundown on what to do against me. I was helping him out in deployment and execution against my army. I wasn't worried about winning and i want to always make sure that new players stick with the game. It is too damn fun for more people not to play because of an ass-hat opponent.

Ultimately I was not expecting to win anything except for maybe the sportsmanship award. I did not and the kid that i played last got it. I was quite happy for him for he wanted a drop pod so badly.

Then the overall winner was called out for me and my jaw dropped....

I have no problem winning, or losing. But the thing i hate is that only due to me winning it is that the local store's scoring system is under fire.
If "best overall" was given to someone with 1 win and 1 draw, or 2 wins and 1 loss, or even 3 draws, I dont think there would have been complaint.
A couple months ago there was a team tourney that the best overall was with 2 wins and a loss. I know this for my team beat them. No one even batted an eye lash at them for winning that.

I love this game way too damn much to see people fight over it, and (god forbid) not play in another tourney because of it.

Probably got GK'd. Lol. We should seriously make that a verb.

He will have his opportunity to fly like an Eagle at the Elvensword Ambassadorial Tournament though (assuming registration is open still). He's going to represent Tau there and since you cannot play against the same codex twice in our tournament, and Tau can be pretty good all-comers lists, it should be a good test. No one can just tune up against a certain type of list nor a codex in that Tournament. I am looking forward to that in May.

Already signed up and payed for.

Looking forward to playing in that tourney.

And yes, GK'd is from now a verb.

And on top of that, his army is very nicely painted.

jazzpaintball wrote:Lost first two games.
Won my last game against a kid who really did not know the game at all.

Ouch.
Not sharing your batreps with everyone?

Isseyfaran wrote:

jazzpaintball wrote:Lost first two games.
Won my last game against a kid who really did not know the game at all.

Ouch.
Not sharing your batreps with everyone?

Yes yes, I already know Issey. May I just say it for you?

"You do not have a competitive list."
"You went up against opponents that knew what they were doing."
"You need a Hammerhead"
"You need a Hammerhead with a railgun"
"you need kroot"
"You need kroot"
"you need kroot walls"
"You don't know how to build competitive tau lists."

more can be put down. But I don't wish to have these stupid arguments. I like this list, I am going with it, competitiveness be screwed.

Thank you issey, have a good day.

Love the discussion of tactics in this thread!

It's nice to see players come up with their own tactics and lists, instead of the stuff that gets posted and reposted all over the internets.

What Jazz and Jancoran wrote sounds like a sound tactic. I don't think it is the answer to all Tau problems, but it certainly is an approach that can make an opponent's game a good deal more difficult than just the usual Tau built. I can think of some very rough match-ups for the OP's list (super-shooty IG as one example), but all lists and tactics have these.

If we would all go with the standard internets advise that also got posted on this thread, we could just agree on a standard list for each race and everybody would play the same - just silly

jazzpaintball wrote:

Isseyfaran wrote:

jazzpaintball wrote:Lost first two games.
Won my last game against a kid who really did not know the game at all.

Ouch.
Not sharing your batreps with everyone?

Yes yes, I already know Issey. May I just say it for you?

"You do not have a competitive list."
"You went up against opponents that knew what they were doing."
"You need a Hammerhead"
"You need a Hammerhead with a railgun"
"you need kroot"
"You need kroot"
"you need kroot walls"
"You don't know how to build competitive tau lists."

more can be put down. But I don't wish to have these stupid arguments. I like this list, I am going with it, competitiveness be screwed.

Thank you issey, have a good day.

AWWW, why so defensive? I was merely asking for batreps for some entertainment. I didnt ask for a "competitive batrep" (nor expecting one from you) , did I?

Railheads = fail.

Isseyfaran wrote:

AWWW, why so defensive? I was merely asking for batreps for some entertainment. I didnt ask for a "competitive batrep" (nor expecting one from you) , did I?

I like how you changed your post 2 days later to cause a fight. I will put up more Batreps, but due to what happened at the tourney and how some people where upset about the outcome. I dont want a batrep to be more fuel on the fire.

Just post the Batrep for Golly G Willikers sake! Sheesh.

I just wanted to say this thread has been one of the most amusing arguments I've seen in a while. just wanted to let you guys know after reading your tau ideas I tend to agree with just about everything Jancoran and Jazzpaintball have said. being a tau player myself i have learned a few things here, though I doubt I will be able to implement them as i prefer my firewarriors over my suits.

Well that is okely dokely. If there weren't multiple ways to win, we'd have no point, right? The pundits would be right.

I think its great just knowing how many ways there ARE to win. I can't lie and say Tau are as good as {fill in the blanks} at this or that because they fall short by design in areas. But they are so fun to play that I just like opening doors...and enthusiasm...for them in other players. If we accomplish nought else, that would be a worthwhile goal.

It's an interesting list overall, but I could never use it. My local store is 50% orks, 20% nids and now 20% crons, with a random Wolf and dark elder player in the mix. Most swarmy armies have no problem tabling a Tau player, and this list would probably get tabled faster than normal.

Interesting perspective. I assume you mean Jazzpaintball?

He's changed the list some since this. He's evolving it.

Hordes are tough on some levels. Orc hordes are really good because despite what the statline says, they shoot just fine. So their sheer speed and number of bodies can overwhelm you. You just need road blocksto slow them down so your fire bases can keep shooting, or option b, lead then lateral. with bait. Devilfishs and Piranhas are good for that.

Tau really can't deal with both well in my opinion. It's either you prep for hordes, or you prep for that IG guy with 10 vehicles. There is no solid mid ground to stand on and do well, especially at lower point games.

I personally hate facing Tau. Not because of the players, but because they keep knocking my Raiders out of the sky and just annihilating my Warriors with shooting.

Tau do have a big list of issues, but in experienced hands, they are deadly.

Puscifer wrote:I personally hate facing Tau. Not because of the players, but because they keep knocking my Raiders out of the sky and just annihilating my Warriors with shooting.

Tau do have a big list of issues, but in experienced hands, they are deadly.

I would assume the Tau player you are talking about either fights you all the time or similar army lists to yours with not that much variance.

I dont think thats a fair assumption (though it may be true).

The Tau blow EVERYONE out of the sky with regularity. The first two turns, the Tau tend to OWN the game. between their unerring accuracy in the first two turns and their sheer firepower, they create a blood bath all over the place.

It rounds 3-5 they lose ground again and must struggle for their eventual win, using guile, speed bumps and mobility to stay the course.

So what he's saying isn't that wierd and I have played as Tau in tournaments all over the place. It's the same basic pattern in most games.

what differs...a lot in my case... is that Tau players who rely on very few units can be taken apart late in the game easier. It somewhat doesn't matter when the enemy comes to grips: when they do, lots of stuff dies.

So small unit count can really hurt you and as many play Tau as an "elite heavy" army, there's enough horror stories to go around the internet for a life time.

I personally have 101 models in my army (I hink thats right) and so after round 2, I'm not as susceptible to that. But smaller Tau armies will always have to play an A game if they choose not to spread their strength around. But a Tau's A game hurts a LOT.

Which comes back to his assertion thatt a skilled Tau player can make anyones day a little sadder. They just can't make mistakes.

hey jazz I live in redmond and I'm putting together a mean 1500 necron list! I'd love to take on your tau some time!

Gauntlet thrown!

tautemplar wrote:hey jazz I live in redmond and I'm putting together a mean 1500 necron list! I'd love to take on your tau some time!

Hey, I live in Redmond and would love to play you!

how bout we go to redmond and play BOTH of you? lol.

might be an idea, I have not played at the seattle bunker for quite a while. I may have to go tomorrow since I will be in kent around 12 already.