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Alpharius wrote:
Have you read Aaron Dembski-Bowden's Night Lords trilogy?

Nowhere near close to 10K years has passed for them.

The Alpha Legion did not retreat into the Eye of Terror, nor are we told of any warp events like those the Night Lords suffered from. They are on realspace time for the most part.

Actually, in the current story line, we have absolutely no idea what they did, why there did it or where they did it.

Then again... they could always be in favor of the Imperium by fighting them thus weeding out the weak, leaving only the strong ones that are able to better defend it. It's twisted, but this is 40k... I know some Inquisitors are like this.

Loyally traitorous or Traitorously loyal, your pick.

They too mysterious to really discuss. Either working from the shadows or hiding in plain sight the alpha legion whether loyalist or traitor are still considered traitoris extremisis meaning they are to be killed on sight. What I do like that has been done before in WD and other fluff is trying to guess what disasters that have occured to the imperium of man might be the cause of Alpha Legionnaires or alpha cultists.

What caused a torpedo to malfunction that destroyed arx tyrannus and nearly wiped out the crimson fists for example. Seeing that a space marine chapter with tech priests fully trained would have fixed or noted a failure in the torpedo before who's to say that someone else caused that failure before launch. Accident or Alpha legion

In fact, that is the only reason most Space Marines protect the Imperium. They are perfectly aware that this current thing is not what the Emperor wanted, but he did want them to protect it.

One thing you forget is that the present Imperium is largely the creation of the Ultramarines.

If any Legion is responsible for the current state of stagnation it is the Ultrasmurfs, their primarch broke up the Legions, and handed power to the echlesiarchy.

ZSO SAHALL wrote:If any Legion is responsible for the current state of stagnation it is the Ultrasmurfs, their primarch broke up the Legions, and handed power to the echlesiarchy.

There was no Ecclesiarchy at that time. He handed control over to the administrators of Terra that were left after they begged him to declare himself the new Emperor; this act was agreed upon by the majority of the remaining Primarchs/Legions.

They are definitely traitors, no doubt about it. They want to destroy the Imperium so that Chaos burns itself out.

That destroy the Imperium part doesn't sound very loyal.

Gargantuan wrote:They are definitely traitors, no doubt about it. They want to destroy the Imperium so that Chaos burns itself out.

That destroy the Imperium part doesn't sound very loyal.

I disagree!

There is plenty of doubt about it!

We don't know what the Legion believed, or if they're working against the Cabal, or if in fact they are super secret double agents planted inside Horus' camp by the Emperor himself.

There is absolutely no definitive answer either way.

Well, aside from those pesky stories set in the current timeline which seem to indicate that BL editorial isn't what it should be...

How long are you going to maintain that position with no supporting evidence.

Give even one instance in the current timeline where Alpha Legion is doing anything remotely like fighting against Chaos or for humanity.

DarknessEternal wrote:How long are you going to maintain that position with no supporting evidence.

Until proven otherwise?

Besides, I'm not saying that they probably aren't Traitor now - BL has clearly only given us instances of AL as raving lunatics. At least that seems to be the case with all of the overt AL sightings.

I'm more concerned about what they did and why they did it during the HH.

You'll have to read their story in "The Primarchs" in order to understand, and then be even more confused!

Alpharius wrote:
I'm more concerned about what they did and why they did it during the HH.

You'll have to read their story in "The Primarchs" in order to understand, and then be even more confused!

But you keep contending they aren't traitors now.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Alpharius wrote:
I'm more concerned about what they did and why they did it during the HH.

You'll have to read their story in "The Primarchs" in order to understand, and then be even more confused!

But you keep contending they aren't traitors now.

He's not really contending... more devil's advocate... there really isn't enough evidence to say that what Alpharius is saying ISN'T true... nor is there enough to say it IS true...

And that is the way of the Alpha Legion

I still think this about the Alpha Legion...

"If you ever read anything about the Alpha Legion think 'Victory Mops,' and the answers will never be revealed to you, because all we have are Victory mops and we are trying to make the floor clean when we are inside of a sewer. So in essence reading the Alpha Legion lore is a hopeless task to understand if they are traitor or loyalist. Kinda like watching The Fountain when your asleep."

DarknessEternal wrote:

Alpharius wrote:
I'm more concerned about what they did and why they did it during the HH.

You'll have to read their story in "The Primarchs" in order to understand, and then be even more confused!

But you keep contending they aren't traitors now.

There's not actually that much fluff concerning the Legion in the current timeline, and certainly not enough to base an opinion of their current motivation off. Even their Index Astartes article is meant to have been written by an Alpha Legion agent.