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Got a variation of the MTO list I'm gonna be testing on Friday:

2x CC Barge Overlords w/ Warscythes and MSS

2x Destruction Teks w/ Pulses (1 from each court)

3x 5 man Warriors Squads

3x 5 Wraiths (3x Whip Coils, 1x Particle Caster)

3x Doom Scythes

And all at 1850! Started out with the idea of getting 2 CC Barges, 3 Doom Scythes and 3 units of Wraiths into the lowest possible point army while retaining at least 3 Troop choices. Definitely viable at 1850, just have to see how it works out.

Randall Turner wrote:There is an advantage to that sort of site. It has one sort of noise, but it weeds out another sort of noise. (Also when you go on a rant you can fully type out "wtf", which is viscerally satisfying.) What I need, though, is some validation of their assertions. I've *seen* things work that they're dismissive of. (Other things than Wraiths, ie, general meta approach elements.) I wonder if some of their group aren't tournament regulars I could meet and chat with? (Going to the San Antonio Alamo GT in a couple weeks.)

Actually, a lot of good gamers frequent Stelek's website. And many of them have their own blogs. Mike Brandt (who runs NovaOpen), Fearspect, Sandwyrm, TKE, Chumbayala (or whatever his handle is)...these are just a few that comes to mind. I believe Fearspect may have gone to Adepticon and Chumbayala is going to NovaOpen. Mike Brandt is really cool and well respected in the 40k community. Most used to post here on dakkadakka but have moved onto their own blogs. And most aren't really that extreme and are quite cool.

-666- wrote:@ jy2

I hope you will post your Wraith tactica in the Tactics forum - I think you'll reach more people there and you can post a link here.

I don't know why you're wasting your time over at the blue koolaid site. It's not like they will change their mind any time soon and if they do then it will be presented as their idea(s). I think you'll be better served using time and energy more fruitfully Iike places here. : )

Keep up the good work.

I'm going to post it on Lukus' thread (link above). But I kinda went off-track today at Stelek's website.

It's just hard to stay silent when someone is attacking your posts/ideas on a site. I'm not looking to change anyone's minds there. I just need to have my say and then they can go on with the rest of their routines. Anyways, it's just a small interruption from my activities, just like my "rants" were a slight interruption in theirs. No biggie, really.






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@Lukus

Hope you're not bringing this list to a casual game, because it can absolutely wreck house. But if you're taking it against Mike's grey knights, cmac's DE or probably even Duidui's BA, then maybe you'll find a little more challenge.

Anyways, good luck and have fun.

Lol, bringing it out against a local vet and good friend of mine. He likes casual games but I owe him a smackdown since last time we played I told him I was bringing Scythes and he pulled out 9 Hydras!

If he pulls out something really fluffy will end up toning down the list as I get no satisfaction winning those kind of games (well, maybe a little, but only VS him, lol).

Lol. Interested to hear about your experiences afterwards.

Will do. If I get the opportunity I will be taking pics also. Maybe make a batrep out of it. Be aware though it will be ugly. I only have 3 Wraiths so far and my Doom Scythes will be proxied also (Foam crons currently reside in another store).

jy2 wrote:Yeah, wraiths aren't invincible. They are durable, but they can definitely be killed. The thing is, it's not you versus the wraiths. It's you versus the necron army.

BTW, it's kinda funny. At the other thread, one person actually suggested that wraiths need Eternal Warrior and Reanimation Protocols to be any good. Lol.

The thing that really surprised me about that thread was all the people who said that Wraiths were bad b/c you could kill them with bolters. That just doesn't even make sense.

If it takes 18 BS4 bolter shots to put down a Wraith (assuming no wound allocation!) but it takes 16 to drop a Terminator, how can all of those people keep yelling "Bolters therefore Wraiths suck!"? They are more vulnerable to missiles than Terminators but they're also twice as fast and have night-fight on their side.

Amerikon wrote:

jy2 wrote:Yeah, wraiths aren't invincible. They are durable, but they can definitely be killed. The thing is, it's not you versus the wraiths. It's you versus the necron army.

BTW, it's kinda funny. At the other thread, one person actually suggested that wraiths need Eternal Warrior and Reanimation Protocols to be any good. Lol.

The thing that really surprised me about that thread was all the people who said that Wraiths were bad b/c you could kill them with bolters. That just doesn't even make sense.

If it takes 18 BS4 bolter shots to put down a Wraith (assuming no wound allocation!) but it takes 16 to drop a Terminator, how can all of those people keep yelling "Bolters therefore Wraiths suck!"? They are more vulnerable to missiles than Terminators but they're also twice as fast and have night-fight on their side.

I suspect a few of them have never played against a wraithwing build before. That "bolter > wraiths" statement appears to be theoryhammering (and not even a good one at that) without practical experience to back it up.