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2012/05/30 23:46:08
Subject: Re:The impending energy crisis, and what to do about it.
Glad to see you're admitting that you were wrong, then?
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/05/30 23:49:50
Subject: Re:The impending energy crisis, and what to do about it.
Are you making an allusion to being a professional thief?
Or do you just live off the sweat of others' labour?
Are you making an allusion to being a professional thief? Your words not mine.
Or do you just live off the sweat of others' labour? Then I wouldn't need tools would I.
Did your mother feed you and kiss you goodnight? How much did that cost you?.
Every thing you need comes free or cheaply.
Everything you want, but don't need. That you pay for.
Words of wisdom
Try not to spend a pound, when a penny will do.
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
2012/05/31 00:00:31
Subject: Re:The impending energy crisis, and what to do about it.
loki old fart wrote:Why pay more than you need to for energy. Why pay for anything, when you can get it for free.
I mean, I can fix my own car, so I wouldn't need to pay anyone else. So why pay for anything, you can do for yourself.
Because in the time it takes me to fix my own car I can work in my specialized field and earn more money than it would cost someone to fix the car.
Lets say I need a new muffler. I could rip the existing one out (30 minutes), find a new one (hour or two) and install it (1 hour). Conservative estimate: 3 hours of work. The body shop, which has a lift, lots more experience, and an inventory of goods, can do the whole job in about 30 minutes. As long as I make more than 1/6 the hourly rate the body shop, I'm better off working.
It's called specialization.
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2012/05/31 00:10:00
Subject: Re:The impending energy crisis, and what to do about it.
loki old fart wrote:Why pay more than you need to for energy. Why pay for anything, when you can get it for free.
I mean, I can fix my own car, so I wouldn't need to pay anyone else. So why pay for anything, you can do for yourself.
Because in the time it takes me to fix my own car I can work in my specialized field and earn more money than it would cost someone to fix the car.
Lets say I need a new muffler. I could rip the existing one out (30 minutes), find a new one (hour or two) and install it (1 hour). Conservative estimate: 3 hours of work. The body shop, which has a lift, lots more experience, and an inventory of goods, can do the whole job in about 30 minutes. As long as I make more than 1/6 the hourly rate the body shop, I'm better off working.
It's called specialization.
Ah but I pay less for the bits, and I'd enjoy changing the muffler. I love working with cars, where can you buy fun like that.
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Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
2012/05/31 00:35:26
Subject: Re:The impending energy crisis, and what to do about it.
Now, specialization isn't wrong. And it doesn't have to do much with the topic at hand either. I believe the very concept of living in a community is built upon specialization, and the idea of complementing one another. If someone has a few handy skills in addition to his specialized field, awesome, why not use them - but that shouldn't be regarded as mandatory in any way.
I do remember cars were built a lot easier back then, though, much more lending themselves to improvised repairs even for laymen. The new ones don't even let you open the hood without being plugged into some company's supercomputer.
tl;dr: I think the "golden medium" is what people should be going for, not either extreme end of the scale.
2012/05/31 00:37:47
Subject: Re:The impending energy crisis, and what to do about it.
Lynata wrote:Now, specialization isn't wrong. And it doesn't have to do much with the topic at hand either. I believe the very concept of living in a community is built upon specialization, and the idea of complementing one another. If someone has a few handy skills in addition to his specialized field, awesome, why not use them - but that shouldn't be regarded as mandatory in any way.
I do remember cars were built a lot easier back then, though, much more lending themselves to improvised repairs even for laymen. The new ones don't even let you open the hood without being plugged into some company's supercomputer.
tl;dr: I think the "golden medium" is what people should be going for, not either extreme end of the scale.
On the Audi A2, you couldn't even open the bonnet, there was a flap for oil and water but you couldn't get to the engine at all.
2012/05/31 00:38:21
Subject: Re:The impending energy crisis, and what to do about it.
some guy wrote:A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2012/05/31 00:44:11
Subject: Re:The impending energy crisis, and what to do about it.
Foot note
I have an ork head as avatar, I play orks.
I have been known to fix friends and neighbors cars for free. Rebuilt my first engine at 14. I drive a 1992 Mercedes Benz, and have a 1976 land rover in the garage(stored as a retirement project) .
Given the choice between working in a office, or belting a exhaust with a big hammer. Well what do you think nn Melissa nn Biccat.
Have a great day all of you, see you tomorrow.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
2012/05/31 02:48:00
Subject: Re:The impending energy crisis, and what to do about it.
The Sun will run out in several billion years, thus, making it a non-renewable resource!
"The Imperium is nothing if not willing to go to any lengths necessary. So the Trekkies are zipping around at warp speed taking small chucks out of an nigh-on infinite amount of ships, with the Imperium being unable to strike back. feth it, says central command, and detonates every vortex warhead in the fleet, plunging the entire sector into the Warp. Enjoy tentacle-rape, Kirk, we know Sulu will." -Terminus
"This great fortress was a gift to the Blood Ravens from the legendary Imperial Fists. When asked about it Chapter Master Pugh was reported to say: "THEY TOOK WHAT!?""
2012/05/31 02:49:58
Subject: Re:The impending energy crisis, and what to do about it.
loki old fart wrote:Why pay more than you need to for energy. Why pay for anything, when you can get it for free.
I mean, I can fix my own car, so I wouldn't need to pay anyone else. So why pay for anything, you can do for yourself.
Because in the time it takes me to fix my own car I can work in my specialized field and earn more money than it would cost someone to fix the car.
Lets say I need a new muffler. I could rip the existing one out (30 minutes), find a new one (hour or two) and install it (1 hour). Conservative estimate: 3 hours of work. The body shop, which has a lift, lots more experience, and an inventory of goods, can do the whole job in about 30 minutes. As long as I make more than 1/6 the hourly rate the body shop, I'm better off working.
It's called specialization.
Ah but I pay less for the bits, and I'd enjoy changing the muffler. I love working with cars, where can you buy fun like that.
Alexzandvar wrote:The Sun will run out in several billion years, thus, making it a non-renewable resource!
But its supernova will form a nebula, which will become a star forming region, thus renewable.
The sun won't go supernova, it isn't big enough.
It will swell into a red giant then all it's atmosphere will get blasted out over a long period of time until there's just the small iron core formed at the centre left.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
2012/05/31 12:56:31
Subject: Re:The impending energy crisis, and what to do about it.
dæl wrote:There is a distinct difference between growing and refining your own biofuel, which is time consuming, and having a ground source heat pump/heat exchanger/solar panel/turbine fitted, which once done will just save you money and not cost any time.
...assuming you're willing to wait 30 years to "save money" on that solar panel.
Things like facts don't really mean much to you do they biccat? Takes ten years to pay for its installation, that means it's saving money from day one, just not much. And bear in mind that fuel prices are constantly rising, so it could be less than ten years based on what you'd be paying three years from now.
The main problem with domestic solar panels is the fairly high capital investment, which is something like £10,000 at the moment in the UK, for a typical size house.
Biccat is quite right that £10,000 is a lot of electric bills to pay up front. I currently pay £150 a month for an all electric flat. If I could produce all my own electricity from solar (doubtful) I would be looking at 66.6 months to payoff, not counting the interest cost of the loan of the capital. It would probably take at least 12 years, really because it wouldn't pay all the bills anyway.
OTOH, the £10,000 would pretty much be added to the value of my house, if I decided to sell. Also, as electricity becomes more expensive, the saving of your own solar increases.
Southampton, Hampshire, England, British Isles, Europe, Earth, Sol, Sector 001
A Town Called Malus wrote:
dæl wrote:
Alexzandvar wrote:The Sun will run out in several billion years, thus, making it a non-renewable resource!
But its supernova will form a nebula, which will become a star forming region, thus renewable.
The sun won't go supernova, it isn't big enough.
It will swell into a red giant then all it's atmosphere will get blasted out over a long period of time until there's just the small iron core formed at the centre left.
Supernova no, nova more than likely yes. Thats once it swallows the frist two inner planets, melts Earth and blast Mars in to dust. Jupiter will have is outer and inner atmosphiers burnt off, Saturns rings of ice will melt. Then when the internal force of fusion gives in with one last gasp all of Sols fule will have been spent, this is its nova stage (note there is some differing thoughts as to weather Sol has enougth mass to go nova or not, its at this time that all the heavy elements are forged), it will shed all but its core. Also this is when gravatiy will take over colapsing the core into some thing around the size of Jupiter now making it a White Dwarf or Neutron Star.
This is but one of the thoghts on the end of Sol. Sol may not be infinet but it will last much longer than the race of thinking monkeys that once inhabited one of its small rocky planets.
Alexzandvar wrote:The Sun will run out in several billion years, thus, making it a non-renewable resource!
But its supernova will form a nebula, which will become a star forming region, thus renewable.
The sun won't go supernova, it isn't big enough.
It will swell into a red giant then all it's atmosphere will get blasted out over a long period of time until there's just the small iron core formed at the centre left.
Supernova no, nova more than likely yes. Thats once it swallows the frist two inner planets, melts Earth and blast Mars in to dust. Jupiter will have is outer and inner atmosphiers burnt off, Saturns rings of ice will melt. Then when the internal force of fusion gives in with one last gasp all of Sols fule will have been spent, this is its nova stage (note there is some differing thoughts as to weather Sol has enougth mass to go nova or not, its at this time that all the heavy elements are forged), it will shed all but its core. Also this is when gravatiy will take over colapsing the core into some thing around the size of Jupiter now making it a White Dwarf or Neutron Star.
This is but one of the thoghts on the end of Sol. Sol may not be infinet but it will last much longer than the race of thinking monkeys that once inhabited one of its small rocky planets.
Or if you perfer, Proff B Cox take on it
I look at that physicist and can't help but think that things can only get better
Alexzandvar wrote:The Sun will run out in several billion years, thus, making it a non-renewable resource!
But its supernova will form a nebula, which will become a star forming region, thus renewable.
The sun won't go supernova, it isn't big enough.
It will swell into a red giant then all it's atmosphere will get blasted out over a long period of time until there's just the small core formed at the centre left.
Supernova no, nova more than likely yes. Thats once it swallows the frist two inner planets, melts Earth and blast Mars in to dust. Jupiter will have is outer and inner atmosphiers burnt off, Saturns rings of ice will melt. Then when the internal force of fusion gives in with one last gasp all of Sols fule will have been spent, this is its nova stage (note there is some differing thoughts as to weather Sol has enougth mass to go nova or not, its at this time that all the heavy elements are forged), it will shed all but its core. Also this is when gravatiy will take over colapsing the core into some thing around the size of Jupiter now making it a White Dwarf or Neutron Star.
This is but one of the thoghts on the end of Sol. Sol may not be infinet but it will last much longer than the race of thinking monkeys that once inhabited one of its small rocky planets.
White Dwarf yes but there's no way our sun could end as a Neutron Star. Neutron Stars are formed as a result of supernovae and our nice star simply doesn't have the mass to reach the gravitational strength required. A Neutron Star usually has a mass of 1 to 2 solar masses, so between the same mass as our sun to twice that of our sun, and that's after all the outer layers have been blasted off in the supernova event. So our sun will have a boring death by comparison to its big brothers but on the bright side the bigger a star is the shorter its lifespan.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
2012/05/31 14:00:45
Subject: Re:The impending energy crisis, and what to do about it.
