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Frost Axes got nerfed bad. Why settle for +2S, AP2, I1 when you can get a Power Fist which doubles strength (often +4), AP2, I1 for usually the same points?

Runic Armour gets seriously buffed with most power weapons being nerfed to AP3.

Because frost axes cost less and still get +1 attack when combined with either a bolt pistol or other CCW. WG with frost axes have 3 attacks normally and 4 on a charge/counter charge.

Runic armor on WG leading grey hunters/blood claws looks really tempting to absorb all of those overwatch shots and quite a few of the cc wounds.

Look at the Codex. On WG, you can replace their CCW with a Frost Axe, Frost Blade or Power Fist for 20 points. You'll still get base 3A or 4A with Power Fist + Bolt Pistol.

Did they change that you cannot get the +1 bonus attack for P-fists? Because in 5th you didn't. That is actually really huge if true.

I always played that power fist + bolt pistol = bonus attack and nobody objected. Apparently I've been cheating and didn't realize it. I now see how frost axes will be useful in 6E.

Thank you wolf brother!

Thunderwolves may have lost the wound allocation shenanigans but they still remain incredibly tough to kill. More importantly cavalry now move 12 inches instead of six and do impact hits after successfully charging. Personally I think the extra speed and being able to close with the enemy more quickly is worth more to me than the wound allocation foolishness. Also of note is that although the rules for rending have not changed it has become significantly more valuable as any rolls of 6 to wound with rending still ignore armor (AP 2) while most power weapons have either become ineffective against 2+ saves (Power swords and most force weapons) or now strike at initiative 1 ( Power axes, forces axes etc)

On a side note the ability to give our already nasty wolf lords Warlord abilities combined with the new challenge rules could make for some incredible nastiness. The ability to provide army buffs at no extra cost while still being combat monsters is a mechanic I am very eager to explore.

While thundercav got a little better with the impact hits, I still think bricks of Wolf Guard terminators are going to be the real hammer unit in the army.

Realized that Scouts got nerfed now that units can't assault out of reserve. No more Behind Enemy Lines, meltagun a tank, then meltabomb another tank or tie up some infantry in the assault phase. I think that one change hurts them so much that they might not be even worth taking any more.

The new acute senses rules combined with their already incredibly reliable Behind enemy lines rule will make showing up where you want them to an almost certain thing. I think they will still have a place but we may need to rethink the tactics and loadouts we give them. I wouldn`t write them off just yet. You could have them show up on the sides and take pot shots on side and rear armor with a missile launcher or you could just have them light up the enemy with bolters. The melta gun is still a viable option as well I think.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:While thundercav got a little better with the impact hits, I still think bricks of Wolf Guard terminators are going to be the real hammer unit in the army.

i dont think so. TWC is still pretty good. Just yesterday I played a 1500pt game against a nids player. 2 TWC's armed with a CC wep and a SS managed to take out a unit of 15 shootygaunts, a tervigon and a Trygon Prime.

That seems like a statistical anomaly rather than a normal performance. Two TWC with 4 T5 wounds and a 3+ save should won't last long against the torrent of fire that 6th edition armies are going to bring to bear.

No, you will need more models than that I think, and even then you will want to book it towards the enemy as fast as you can. I would not take any less than three and even then I would probably have an attached wolf lord and a few extra wolves to soak up some fire.

I agree you'd need more than 2 to make a difference. However, its about strategic placements also. For example if there is a large piece of cover on the board, lets saya fortress of redemption, and your opponent deploys the majority of his units on one side, I would deploy the TWC on the other side. They could easily sweep around the back and reach the enemy within turn 2, without bearing the full front of fire. Even if they do, you could deploy a second unit on the other side of the piece of cover (directly opposite your opponent) and then they have two units to deal with.

So will SW players use Blood Claws now that units don't get bonus attacks for charging? Claws still get +2 due to their special rule, no?

I thought they still got the +1 attack on the charge so long as it isnt a multicharge?

I dont think I saw anyone mention that space wolves have the ability to rapid fire someone, overwatch on them if charged, followed by the counter attack

Arthas367 wrote:I dont think I saw anyone mention that space wolves have the ability to rapid fire someone, overwatch on them if charged, followed by the counter attack

And the Wolf Standard lets them reroll 1s on all their Overwatch fire if they so choose, or reroll 1s on charge distance and saves against Overwatch fire. Grey Hunters are the business.

Omegus wrote:So will SW players use Blood Claws now that units don't get bonus attacks for charging? Claws still get +2 due to their special rule, no?

It is a Special Rule for the Blood Claws, it Overides what ever is the BRB, they would probably loose it when Multi-Charging.

With the new rules for psychic powers I can see wolf tail talismans being a very wise investment on characters with them being only 5 pts a piece. Also anyone else think master of runes might actually be worth taking on a rune priest now?

Bjorn_Stormwolf02 wrote:With the new rules for psychic powers I can see wolf tail talismans being a very wise investment on characters with them being only 5 pts a piece. Also anyone else think master of runes might actually be worth taking on a rune priest now?

I have always felt the Masters of Runes were worth it in 1,500+ point List. This allows you to kick off Tempest Wrath, then followed by Living Lightning or Murderous Hurricane. I don’t think this is going to change in 6th.

I wonder if WTT stack with Deny the Witch. Also, master of runes is much more worth it now.


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Also, pretty awesome that runic staff negates still go off even though hood does not.

Awesome, utter BS, or a typical oversight. Pick two of three.

I'll go with awesome and typical oversite. But after looking at some of the gak that the Necrons can do, I'm not going to complain.

Also GH will do really well inspite of dueling. In most cases a duel will remove your squads heavy hitter for at least a turn. GH with the ability to take a power weapon and MOTW, means we still retain that special weapon punch as a squad even if our WG is off dueling somewhere.

The wolf banner was always sick for 10 points. Now it would be really sick if it cost 20 points. Awesome piece of wargear.

Question now is what you arm your WG with. The old stand-by of powerfists may not be as effective against challengers with power weapons who will drop you before you get to swing. Powermaul? Sword?

Omegus wrote:Question now is what you arm your WG with. The old stand-by of powerfists may not be as effective against challengers with power weapons who will drop you before you get to swing. Powermaul? Sword?

I'll probably stay with PF. If it is someone who can drop me before I can swing, I can always drop out of the combat and let the boys do the work.

pretre wrote:

Omegus wrote:Question now is what you arm your WG with. The old stand-by of powerfists may not be as effective against challengers with power weapons who will drop you before you get to swing. Powermaul? Sword?

I'll probably stay with PF. If it is someone who can drop me before I can swing, I can always drop out of the combat and let the boys do the work.

Agreed. The usual Space Wolf abilities will usually suffice. Otherwise, any other power weapons or MotW's can still go at it...

WG
Runic armor, P-fist, combi melta.

I still think the P-fist will be necessary, but if it really looks like he is going to die in a challenge, I wont miss his attacks all that much if I decline.

However, the runic armor will allow for all sorts of fun wound shinanigans - especially when combined with the wolf banner.

Wolf Guard can't take runic.

edit: Unless you're talking a Battle Leader.

A Wolf Guard with the Mark of the Wulfen would be very handy for challenges I think, maybe throwing too many eggs into one basket though.

My headhunting Wolf Guard are terminators with a storm shield and a wolf claw. Mark of the Wulfen is for rank and file Grey Hunters.