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One interesting tid-bit to note is that BA Storm Ravens are Heavy Support and Grey Knight Storm Ravens are Fast Attack. That's 4 Storm Ravens under 2000 points! GK Storm Raven's Mindstrike missiles is great for dealing with horde and Psykers. BA Storm Raven's Bloodstrike missiles is good against vehicles and other flyers. On top of that, Storm Ravens can machine spirit, potentially shooting at two Flyers. They are also AV12, so it's harder to glance or pen using Quad Guns or Tesla Destructors.

Being non-dedicated transports, there's no debate that the reserve rules still apply to infantry embark in them. For every unit inside a Storm Raven, there needs to be another unit on the table.

I think the BA/GK Airforce is just as devastating, if not more, compared Necron Airforce. Perhaps one of these days we can have an epic dog fight between both flyer lists.

Yup, it takes a lot of dedicated firepower to take out fliers. I played a shooty GK mech list in 5th, and while I love being able to glance AV14 to death now, shooting fliers is frustratingly hard.

How did the GKs get the relic into the transport by turn two? The troops have to get out to grab it, and then reembark the following turn? Unless I'm missing something?

Grimaldi wrote:How did the GKs get the relic into the transport by turn two? The troops have to get out to grab it, and then reembark the following turn? Unless I'm missing something?

Something seems a little off, anyway.

You CAN do it easily enough - drive forward 6" on turn 1 & disembark 6" to touch the Relic (claiming it at the end of the Movement phase); Turn 2, walk back to your Rhino & embark. We just don't see any of that happening; instead, it looks like the unit picked it up while still inside their transport (a no-no).

Janthkin wrote:

Grimaldi wrote:How did the GKs get the relic into the transport by turn two? The troops have to get out to grab it, and then reembark the following turn? Unless I'm missing something?

Something seems a little off, anyway.

You CAN do it easily enough - drive forward 6" on turn 1 & disembark 6" to touch the Relic (claiming it at the end of the Movement phase); Turn 2, walk back to your Rhino & embark. We just don't see any of that happening; instead, it looks like the unit picked it up while still inside their transport (a no-no).

There seems to be some ambiguity here (or I just may be wrong).

This is my intepretation. It says that the model has to move into base contact with the relic in order to pick it up. However, it doesn't say that the model cannot be embarked in a transport in order to do so. Thus, when you are in the vehicle and the vehicle touches the relic, then all models are considered to be in base and you can assign the relic to any model in the transport. Then afterwards, the transport cannot move more than 6" or it will drop the relic.

jy2 wrote:This is my intepretation. It says that the model has to move into base contact with the relic in order to pick it up. However, it doesn't say that the model cannot be embarked in a transport in order to do so. Thus, when you are in the vehicle and the vehicle touches the relic, then all models are considered to be in base and you can assign the relic to any model in the transport. Then afterwards, the transport cannot move more than 6" or it will drop the relic.

"A model in a scoring unit can seize the Relic by moving into base contact with it." A model inside a Transport will never be in base contact with the Relic - the transport might be, but an embarked model surely isn't.

Add in that "the Relic can only be brought aboard a Transport vehicle if it is carried by a model that can embark upon the Transport," and I think it's pretty clear that you have to get out of your Rhino to pick it up.

Janthkin wrote:

jy2 wrote:This is my intepretation. It says that the model has to move into base contact with the relic in order to pick it up. However, it doesn't say that the model cannot be embarked in a transport in order to do so. Thus, when you are in the vehicle and the vehicle touches the relic, then all models are considered to be in base and you can assign the relic to any model in the transport. Then afterwards, the transport cannot move more than 6" or it will drop the relic.

"A model in a scoring unit can seize the Relic by moving into base contact with it." A model inside a Transport will never be in base contact with the Relic - the transport might be, but an embarked model surely isn't.

Add in that "the Relic can only be brought aboard a Transport vehicle if it is carried by a model that can embark upon the Transport," and I think it's pretty clear that you have to get out of your Rhino to pick it up.

If that's the case, then it was a mistake on my part. I would have played as you suggested, move 6" and then disembark my troops 6" to grab the objective.

Just a small note, only is not in the rule that you quoted.

jy2 wrote:

Janthkin wrote:Add in that "the Relic can only be brought aboard a Transport vehicle if it is carried by a model that can embark upon the Transport," and I think it's pretty clear that you have to get out of your Rhino to pick it up.

If that's the case, then it was a mistake on my part. I would have played as you suggested, move 6" and then disembark my troops 6" to grab the objective.

Just a small note, only is not in the rule that you quoted.

Yes it is. It's part of a typo ("canonly"), but it's there. (2nd paragraph under "Dropping the Relic," of all places.)

But yeah - no game effect here, but something to be aware of.