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deathholydeath wrote:

d-usa wrote:

Jihadin wrote:Active life style doesn't mean your lazy. You spend like 4-5 hrs at a site (guessing) putting out a fire wearing a your gear and what not. I say you have pretty strong cardio. Heck I spend an hour in the morning doing unit PT and pretty much sit behind a desk all day...actually I use to. Currently I'm a bit busted up from an IED two years ago and still recovering. I'm not lazy though. I do enjoy my down time as much as anybody. Think lazy is being applied to young individuals who do not put forward an effort to actually improve their current situation nor willing to make the sacrifice. Individuals looking for high pay minimum work Like someone posted on here spending two years as busboy and another spending a couple years at FEDEX.

I was mostly replying to the "Obesity is an indicator of lazyness" argument that was being made by some.

My favorite fires were brush/grass fires. 6 hours of chasing after fires in a brush truck, digging firelines with rakes and showels, running away from the flames. Those were good times.

In many cases, Obesity is a genetic or environmental issue and has little to do with how "in shape" one really is. Take Sumo Wrestlers for an example.

No. When you eat more calories than you burn, you gain weight. Do this a lot and you get fat, do it more and you get obese.
There's also "technical" obesity using the BMI, but that doesn't distinguish between muscle and fat.

deathholydeath wrote:
In many cases, Obesity is a genetic or environmental issue and has little to do with how "in shape" one really is. Take Sumo Wrestlers for an example.

Rikishi get paid to be obese, they're not a good example.

Horst wrote:
If you can't get a job to pay it off... well your fethed. Go back to school again I guess?

Blood from a stone.


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deathholydeath wrote:
Likewise, a burger flipper limits his 1st amendment rights as well: He/she has only a limited capacity for free speech during the hours he/she works.

The First Amendment doesn't protect you from the private limitation of speech.

deathholydeath wrote:
He/she accepts that he/she might be injured in the job or subjected to abuse from customers in which case he/she will be eligible for worker's comp.

No, workers' compensation is not mandatory with acceptance of a position.

deathholydeath wrote:
However, no modern U.S. corporation gives ordinary workers regular hours above 39 a week-- if they do that the employees are "full time" and must be given benefits and over time pay.

Full-time is defined by the employer in most cases. You can work more than 40 hours per week and still be part-time.

deathholydeath wrote:
In many cases, Obesity is a genetic or environmental issue and has little to do with how "in shape" one really is. Take Sumo Wrestlers for an example.

Oh come on man! That's just PC nonsense... in many cases!? Hardly any!

Seriously.. SOME people are obese for genetic issues, but 99% of obese people are obese because the fat feths eat too many cakes and don't do enough exercise!

Or more likely they just eat too much greasy fast food and not enough exercise.

Melissia wrote:Or more likely they just eat too much greasy fast food and not enough exercise.

Well, either or.

The point is, the overwhelming majority of obese people are obese through their own fault. I know its possible to have a glandular problem or something, but such things are incredibly rare.

dogma wrote:
Rikishi get paid to be obese, they're not a good example.

I should have separated those two statements. Rikishi are a good example of obese people who are fit. Here's a better example. A friend of mine has Grave's disease. He is what many would consider obese. However, he can benchpress an incredible amount and works 12 hour shifts as an engineer on a casino boat. I would consider him "in shape."

dogma wrote:The First Amendment doesn't protect you from the private limitation of speech.

Not exactly what I was referencing. Private limitation of speech comes about through contractual obligations. It's a choice the individual makes when he accepts the terms of employment. It was a comparison to military employment.

dogma wrote:No, workers' compensation is not mandatory with acceptance of a position.

Any company that doesn't want to be sued for liability issues provides worker's comp.

dogma wrote:Full-time is defined by the employer in most cases. You can work more than 40 hours per week and still be part-time.

It is, that's true. That would be why I put "full time" in quotes. The Fair Labor Standards Act requires employers to pay time and a half to workers who work over 40 hours a week. So, most companies define full time as 40+ hours a week.


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mattyrm wrote:

Melissia wrote:Or more likely they just eat too much greasy fast food and not enough exercise.

Well, either or.

The point is, the overwhelming majority of obese people are obese through their own fault. I know its possible to have a glandular problem or something, but such things are incredibly rare.

It's much more difficult for a person to lose weight than it is to gain it. The human body is geared toward survival, storing fat for periods of low food intake. It's something a lot of people aren't aware of when they begin a diet. Going on a diet can actually cause one's metabolic rate to lower since the body thinks it's going through a scarcity period.
Glandular problems also aren't that rare.

deathholydeath wrote:
I should have separated those two statements. Rikishi are a good example of obese people who are fit. Here's a better example. A friend of mine has Grave's disease. He is what many would consider obese. However, he can benchpress an incredible amount and works 12 hour shifts as an engineer on a casino boat. I would consider him "in shape."

There's a good argument to be made that many outwardly fit people are obese, and that the same health issues apply. NFL linemen are good example of obese, but fit, people who suffer very high rates of health issues in their mid-lives.

deathholydeath wrote:
Any company that doesn't want to be sued for liability issues provides worker's comp.

That depends heavily on where you live, look at Texas.

deathholydeath wrote:
It's much more difficult for a person to lose weight than it is to gain it.

That depends on the person, and how much of that weight is fat. Its actually quite easy to lose weight if you're especially rotund. It really doesn't get difficult until you're under 10% body fat.

to think that only people living at home should make minimum wage is laughable at best. In a perfect world that would be true, but here in reality most everyone getting a new job these days is getting under 40 hours and getting paid minimum wage. I'm talking MOST people here. Sure there are a lot who have degrees and experience, but anyone else gets fethed hard. No full time cause they don't want to have to pay benefits, and no raises, cause hiring someone new is easier.

Maybe in little ol Springfield things may be different, but here in the city life sucks for a lot of people, especially young people. Lots of people work 2 jobs and still don't get 40 hours a week. There has been a change in company owners minds. Instead of making happy employees who grow your business you make pissed off employees who hate your company and tell everyone they know not to support it.

@didm - Firstly, hating life in the big city and finding it too difficult to make ends meet? Move.

Things are the same way in my town, most jobs out there start at minimum wage and are around 30 hours a week. It is no different. My primary point was that constantly increasing the minimum wage is part of the problem.

You know why we do not have teen age kids bagging groceries at the supermarket anymore? Because that work is not worth $7-$9 an hour, so that job combined with counting bottle returns by hand (which was much more pleasant than the machines) went away.

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:@didm - Firstly, hating life in the big city and finding it too difficult to make ends meet? Move.

Things are the same way in my town, most jobs out there start at minimum wage and are around 30 hours a week. It is no different. My primary point was that constantly increasing the minimum wage is part of the problem.

You know why we do not have teen age kids bagging groceries at the supermarket anymore? Because that work is not worth $7-$9 an hour, so that job combined with counting bottle returns by hand (which was much more pleasant than the machines) went away.

currently happily employed

just saying, times they have changed. There is NO consideration to making your employees happy anymore. They have found ways to make employees do more work for less money because people will take it, cause there is nothing else. I have a good job and both my Dad's own their own businesses, I have talked to them a lot about this, and it is all across the board. Everyone works on a skeleton crew now, and is not compensated any more than they used to be.

Gone are the days when your boss had an open door policy and actually cared about their employees. We are in the drive through era of employment. If you don't like it pull forward, there are 30 people standing in line behind you.

and the only reason the minimum wages rises is because of that thing called inflation. When the cost of living raises faster than the minimum wage is when we start having problems. Unless you want the youth of the nation to eat gak food, mainly fast food, then they need money to go grocery shopping.

I grew up in WI, not sure if it is still the same there, but if you made tips in any way, no matter how much, they could pay you $3.33 an hour to work. Imagine being young and living in your own apartment, oh wait, you can't afford a one bedroom apartment, you need a few roommates. So you pay $350 a month in RENT, then utilities, they don't come with places anymore. Now you are sitting there at noon on a tuesday with no one in the place. Now imagine you get some customers in a day, but not much, since you know, we are in a recession and folks are stopping to go out to eat. In your 5 hour shift you may get $10 in tips, then your wage, a whole $16 bucks. Yea, real easy to live on, I spend more than that on beer some days.

deathholydeath wrote:
It's much more difficult for a person to lose weight than it is to gain it. The human body is geared toward survival, storing fat for periods of low food intake. It's something a lot of people aren't aware of when they begin a diet. Going on a diet can actually cause one's metabolic rate to lower since the body thinks it's going through a scarcity period.
Glandular problems also aren't that rare.

Sure they are! Define "not that rare" for me.

I said 99%, Ill happily stick with that.

If you take 100 obese people, 99 of them are obese through poor diet/exercise regime. Maybe one of them has an actual medical issue.

Ergo, its very rare.

Drink water

@Didm - I am glad to hear you are making it.

Most of us are struggling right now. Most other business owners I know think of thier employees like family and hope to never cut thier hours or fire them.

It can be tough though, and sometimes a cut in everyones hours makes more sense in your head than firing someone who doesn't really deserve it.

The entire economy sucks, and on inflation, I am afraid we have not really hit it yet.

Luckily, I have continued to find ways to trim stuff from my budget (about to go from cable internet to dsl.) I also rent a room in my house for $350 with utilities included, but from what everyone on here says, I should raise it to at least $400-450.

But yes overall I agree with you, the larger and larger less locally owned businesses are less friendly towards thier employees. My city is small enough that your average business still has someones name on it. You can on any given day, walk in as a customer and talk to the owner.

As for the food thing, I agree people should eat well, and I have proven rather reliably in other threads that you can actually eat better and more cheaply grocery shopping than fast food, boxed, prepared food.

I know in my area, and probably most others, they cut home ec from the schools. That and my mother are the places I learned to cook, sew, use metal and wood working tools, write a household budget, etc. It was mandatory for everyone.

Out of curiousity how many of you under 30 dakkanuts had to and did take cooking classes in school?

I am thankful that I have a job,
Most of my friends do not have a job. They kinda depend on their parents for money.

Out of curiousity how many of you under 30 dakkanuts had to and did take cooking classes in school?

My mom trained me quite well...same as my dad....wait I'm 30 going on 42

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:
Out of curiousity how many of you under 30 dakkanuts had to and did take cooking classes in school?

I did. We had to take a semester in junior high and a semester in high school, but in high school they didn't take attendance so it was basically a free period.

Honestly, I learned all my domestic skills from Bob Vila, Norm Abram, and Julia Child.

I learned from personal experience. My family never was much in to cooking meals, but I enjoy cooking for family...

Melissia wrote:I learned from personal experience. My family never was much in to cooking meals, but I enjoy cooking for family...

I am different than this. I love cooking, same with every single member of my family. We are Food Conquistadors. But thats off topic.
Cooking is taught at my school. But its retardly easy, and they have a final on the blasted thing. And it is difficult to everyone that has cooked before. Except for me. I took the test and I made a Green Curry for them and walked out with an A+

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:Out of curiousity how many of you under 30 dakkanuts had to and did take cooking classes in school?

I have. They're pretty fun.

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:

Out of curiousity how many of you under 30 dakkanuts had to and did take cooking classes in school?

Not cooking per se, but everyone in my High School had to take Home Ec or whatever they called it, and that involved a bit of cooking.

I guess I'm no longer in the "youth" demographic (I'll be 26 in September), but I can commiserate. I have a degree but it's pretty useless, worked a dead end job for a year that provided me with no transferable skills. That ended (contract with client ended, so at least I wasn't fired!), so I've been facing the conundrum of having a degree but no real skills and having to compete with dozens of other experienced people for any other job I apply to. I guess my best bet at this point is to go back to school and learn something useful, which I've applied to do... of course, now I'm going to be facing gigantic student loans, assuming I get in. Ugh. But really, I think at this point it's the best option.

RatBot wrote: I guess my best bet at this point is to go back to school and learn something useful, which I've applied to do... of course, now I'm going to be facing gigantic student loans, assuming I get in. Ugh. But really, I think at this point it's the best option.

If you want to feel better, I graduated with 110-120k (can't recall exactly) in debt.

I took home economics throughout junior high, but am terrible at sewing and even worse at cooking.

I feel much less depressed now. Thanks guys.

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:Out of curiousity how many of you under 30 dakkanuts had to and did take cooking classes in school?

I didn't, they phased out the course the year before I got into highschool, along Latin... I really wished I had some, maybe I'd be better at cooking. I'm just horrible at it really... just plain baaad... If what I'm cooking involves more than 3 ingredients, and maybe more than 4 seperates steps of preparation, you can be sure it's going to be crappy, and that at least half of it will be burned...

50% + of my meals are homemade thai soup w/ beef cubes and whatever appropriate vegetable I have on hand...

Maybe I could start a 'Help Kovnik Not Sucks With Food' thread... ?


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dogma wrote:If you want to feel better, I graduated with 110-120k (can't recall exactly) in debt.

Bloody hell

Dr. Dogma PHD Neurosurgeon.......I think not...Apothacary Dogma thats a nice shiney Reductor you have there. What Chapter?

dogma wrote:

RatBot wrote: I guess my best bet at this point is to go back to school and learn something useful, which I've applied to do... of course, now I'm going to be facing gigantic student loans, assuming I get in. Ugh. But really, I think at this point it's the best option.

If you want to feel better, I graduated with 110-120k (can't recall exactly) in debt.

In total? Or just undergraduate?

I think my own debt is around 40k at this point. I've paid off a lot of it, but I had the benefit of several scholarships during school.

I feel I should add that, to make things more depressing for me, this decision to return to school comes after a year of being unable to find a job, due to the awesome and seemingly contradictory causes of having a degree and thus being overqualified for many jobs, while simultaneously not having enough experience and thus not being qualified for the rest.

deathholydeath wrote:
In total? Or just undergraduate?

Undergraduate only. It was ~45k per year with room and board, and then reduced by some grants and scholarships. I paid ~5k first year, ~15k second year, ~35k third, and ~45k fourth; throw in interest and you get to my total debt (mostly private loans). Its been paid off for a couple years though.

I didn't pay for graduate school, the fine citizens of the United States paid me to tolerate their children (and paid off much of my privately held student debt).

mattyrm wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:
It's much more difficult for a person to lose weight than it is to gain it. The human body is geared toward survival, storing fat for periods of low food intake. It's something a lot of people aren't aware of when they begin a diet. Going on a diet can actually cause one's metabolic rate to lower since the body thinks it's going through a scarcity period.
Glandular problems also aren't that rare.

Sure they are! Define "not that rare" for me.

I said 99%, Ill happily stick with that.

If you take 100 obese people, 99 of them are obese through poor diet/exercise regime. Maybe one of them has an actual medical issue.

Ergo, its very rare.

2% of the world's females suffer from Graves' disease, so about 140,000,000 women worldwide. It's a bit rarer in males. That's only a single disorder and it creates a significant minority.


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dogma wrote:

deathholydeath wrote:
In total? Or just undergraduate?

Undergraduate only. It was ~45k per year with room and board, and then reduced by some grants and scholarships. I paid ~5k first year, ~15k second year, ~35k third, and ~45k fourth; throw in interest and you get to my total debt (mostly private loans). Its been paid off for a couple years though.

I didn't pay for graduate school, the fine citizens of the United States paid me to tolerate their children (and paid off much of my privately held student debt).

Sounds like you got out pretty well. A number of my friends have been unable to find sustainable jobs after graduation; I wouldn't want to be in their shoes.

2% of the world's females suffer from Graves' disease, so about 140,000,000 women worldwide. It's a bit rarer in males. That's only a single disorder and it creates a significant minority.

Define significant. 140,000,000 is a significant number in and of itself. 2% however is an insignificant number, even if that number is 140,000,000. EDIT: Or as comrade Stalin says, a statistic

Math is fun