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LordofHats wrote:Most places I end up signing up for say they'll do a background check. They probably don't, but its generally a risk I won't take.

Well, think about it this way

You lie-
They perform BR Check, you lose.
They don't, you win.

You don't lie-
They perform BR check, you lose.
They don't, you lose.

EDIT: I don't want to sound like a D-bag here, but this is just a 14 year olds advice, take it with a grain of salt ( I think thats how the saying goes...)

The problem is that there are only a few companies that do background checks (like Infomart, FedEx and the like don't actually do it, they hire some other company to do it for them). If I lie, and I get caught, my name gets flagged, and then any subsequent check it will be noted that I had made claims in the past that weren't true.

Hell I couldn't even get a security company to confirm my internship at USAHEC, and that counted against me in a later background check.

If you really want to know what would pop on a background check...act like your attempting to join the National Guard. Recruiter will pull up a background sheet for you and discuss it with you on what he can and cannot do to get you in. Then you have a closure on the unknowing

LordofHats wrote:Most places I end up signing up for say they'll do a background check. They probably don't, but its generally a risk I won't take.

Part of it though is that a lot of really good companies to work for (like FedEx and UPS) only hire from within. They make you work the crappy part time job loading trucks to get considered for full time work and management. Sometimes you have to accept that you're going to have to have a job for a year or two to get something remotely decent and a lot of people I know aren't willing to do that. They go to college graduate, and expect to earn $80,000 a year off the bat.

I worked at UPS for six years right when I graduated Highschool. I was hired on an airport with about 27 other kids my age. Literally all of them quit after the first few weeks besides one guy named Kyle, who is now a supervisor making 1600 a month working part time (we calculated that he is making roughly 24$ per hour). Those 26 kids that quit missed out on excellent health care, dental, vision, life and lifetime disability, stock options, retirement packages, and a 500$ pension at 5 years. They also missed out on college sponsorship programs that could pay for a bachelor's degree at UCONN or Central, in addition to $200 per credit taken at any college (that is a free 2 year degree at a CT Community college, which is why I wanted to get hired in the first place). These benefits are given to part time employees. The job is very hard, but for a time investment of 15 hours per week, I think it worth it for just about anyone.

Something to keep in mind is that this age group tends to be employed "under the table". Look at almost any landscaping or delivery company and you will find a massive percentage of people ages 18-24 working there who, according to the state, are registered as unemployed.

Horst wrote:yea, minimum wage won't pay for gak. However, its pretty easy for people to get a job that pays $13-15 an hour (assuming they have SOME marketable skill, and SOME work experience somewhere) which can pay the bills comfortably.

Not even with "some work experience somewhere" is it EASY to find a job. I have five summers worth of work experience, but I haven't been able to find a job in the past three years. I've tried quite hard to find it, as well, even going so far as to look at the lowest of the low, IE, fast food jobs, manual labor jobs, etc.

Right around the time i as a workable age(2008 roughly) i looked all over, applied everywhere, and well, they always went to people looking for more flexible hours. The only reason i got my job(working at the campus cafeteria) is because i had my mom know the boss and they have 20 students who are on and off and they always need a spot to fill. But heck, im learning how to cook clean and prep food on a flame grill, The guy who is teaching me that says bosses look for those who know how to do that.

Fafnir wrote:I'd kill for a place that's $500 a month. My roommate and I pay $1000 a month for a piece of gak apartment that can't even guarantee hot water.

In Hamilton Ontario there are one bedroom apartments that are about $500 a month, but those apartments are pretty bad(bug infested, no shower, just bathtubs, mysterious smells in the halls......) Most decent apartments will be at least $700 for a one bedroom, or a two bedroom for $900. And that's the city with the highest poverty rate in the entire nation. Toronto's even more expensive.

If I was 18 again I'd totes be on a rig out in the Dakotas right now.

Author and Great Plains scholar Clay Jenkinson says this gold rush could be around for more than 20 years. "Someone driving a water truck now who's 19 years old can make $85,000, $100,000, $120,000 a year, plus get a vehicle and fuel," he says.

Thaanos wrote:

Fafnir wrote:I'd kill for a place that's $500 a month. My roommate and I pay $1000 a month for a piece of gak apartment that can't even guarantee hot water.

In Hamilton Ontario there are one bedroom apartments that are about $500 a month, but those apartments are pretty bad(bug infested, no shower, just bathtubs, mysterious smells in the halls......) Most decent apartments will be at least $700 for a one bedroom, or a two bedroom for $900. And that's the city with the highest poverty rate in the entire nation. Toronto's even more expensive.

My studio appartment is 610$ no utilities. And I looked long for something cheaper that didn't involve 2 hours of commuting every day...

Admittedly, I now live right in front of Mont-Royal, which with Sainte-Catherine Street forms the 1 square kilometer containing the highest number of drop dead gorgeous women in the country... So I might be broke, but I'm happy broke

Those (some) that are coming out of highschool are short termed oriented it seems. Worry about the "now" and not the "later". The actual "work" might not what they perceived for the "pay". Also their "freedom" as in 9-5 and weekend off. The other downer is recieving a paycheck and noticing how much in taxes they're paying which result in less "fun coupons" (money). Starting off is a bummer.

I think it's an incredible coincidence that young people are lazy and don't want to do gakky low-paid jobs...at the exact same time as there are none of these jobs around
If you advertised around here for a minimum wage factory job you'd have dozens of applicants.
Admitidly though, young people are lazy feckless morons.

The quality of modern education is astoundingly bad too. One girl at our work has a B in English but can't write sentances properly. We let her do the facebook shoutouts (modern media yo) for a while until they realised virtually all of them were miss-spelt and completely unpunctuated.

Testify wrote:I think it's an incredible coincidence that young people are lazy and don't want to do gakky low-paid jobs...at the exact same time as there are none of these jobs around
If you advertised around here for a minimum wage factory job you'd have dozens of applicants.
Admitidly though, young people are lazy feckless morons.

The quality of modern education is astoundingly bad too. One girl at our work has a B in English but can't write sentances properly. We let her do the facebook shoutouts (modern media yo) for a while until they realised virtually all of them were miss-spelt and completely unpunctuated.

Forum grammar Nazis will change that.... Hell, I've learned more about writing properly on the internet than in last year[']s[Mod: it's a possessive] English class!

But yes most young people are lazy gak heads (I spend all day on my arse.)

I wouldn't worry too much.

My generation's career prospects were "ruined for life" by graduating into the early 80s recession, followed by the early 90s recession and the early 2000s recession. It seemed gakky at the time, but we managed to survive somehow.

Once the economy makes an uptick people will start to get hired again.

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:The point of an entry level no skill job is not to make ends meet, but to give you the oppurtunity to gain some skills first hand from working. Entry level jobs are supposed to be for teens and young adults who have zero to no living expenses. You know, living with parents, or a quad or studio apartment.

Then after figuring out they want more in life, they are supposed to strive to move on to better employment.

So don't give me your garbage about trying to make ends meet on $7.25 an hour 20 hours a week aka $500 a month. I can find a room for rent at any given time for about $300-$350 with utilities included, less in a lot of places. More in some.

California, min wage $8.00, cost of a single apartment is approx 1k a month, double about 1.2k. Full time minimum wage is scraping by after food, household supplies, rent, gas and maintenance.

youbedead wrote:

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:That would be your decision to have such expensive living conditions on such a wage. You can find proper housing for less. I gave a worst case scenario.

If you go with best case, aka free, living with parents, then you have $500 to do with whatever you like.

Cheapest apartments around here, 134 a week. Your original argument was that minimum wage is hurting the economy and that 500 dollars a month is enough to live on. So once again your argument is full of gak.

Do you live on the bottom of the ocean? Where the hell is rent that cheap?

ShumaGorath wrote:

youbedead wrote:

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:That would be your decision to have such expensive living conditions on such a wage. You can find proper housing for less. I gave a worst case scenario.

If you go with best case, aka free, living with parents, then you have $500 to do with whatever you like.

Cheapest apartments around here, 134 a week. Your original argument was that minimum wage is hurting the economy and that 500 dollars a month is enough to live on. So once again your argument is full of gak.

Do you live on the bottom of the ocean? Where the hell is rent that cheap?

Even though I disagree with everything that guy said...
Derby has places for 104 USD a week:
http://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/15949813?search_identifier=BjlTX/AUAKtgr3DLJMgEKw

Right next to the city centre too. There's plenty of others in that price range.
We don't all live in North Lundun, yo'know

Testify wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

youbedead wrote:

Shadowseer_Kim wrote:That would be your decision to have such expensive living conditions on such a wage. You can find proper housing for less. I gave a worst case scenario.

If you go with best case, aka free, living with parents, then you have $500 to do with whatever you like.

Cheapest apartments around here, 134 a week. Your original argument was that minimum wage is hurting the economy and that 500 dollars a month is enough to live on. So once again your argument is full of gak.

Do you live on the bottom of the ocean? Where the hell is rent that cheap?

Even though I disagree with everything that guy said...
Derby has places for 104 USD a week:
http://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/15949813?search_identifier=BjlTX/AUAKtgr3DLJMgEKw

Right next to the city centre too. There's plenty of others in that price range.
We don't all live in North Lundun, yo'know

Rent in the UK is cheap . I was paying six times that up until a month ago.

Not where I live. I'm paying £1,100 a month for a two bed flat in Reading.

Testify wrote:I think it's an incredible coincidence that young people are lazy

That's a cute little lie you tell yourself so you can look down on young people.

Young people are no more or less lazy than they have always been.

Melissia wrote:

Testify wrote:I think it's an incredible coincidence that young people are lazy

That's a cute little lie you tell yourself so you can look down on young people.

Young people are no more or less lazy than they have always been.

Nope, we are lazy-er.

EDIT: As a whole group.

As a group, we really aren't.

Our opportunities are lower, but that doesn't mean we're lazier.

Melissia wrote:As a group, we really aren't.

Our opportunities are lower, but that doesn't mean we're lazier.

Our opportunities? For what? I never said jobs, just lazy.

I've seen no evidence that the current group of youths is any lazier than any other group of youths in the past.

Melissia wrote:

Testify wrote:I think it's an incredible coincidence that young people are lazy

That's a cute little lie you tell yourself so you can look down on young people.

Young people are no more or less lazy than they have always been.

Way to just ignore literally everything that I said in that post.

When the premise of your entire post is false, what else can I say?

Melissia wrote:I've seen no evidence that the current group of youths is any lazier than any other group of youths in the past.

High obesity rates, and even then there are a ton of pot heads who do nothing but sit around all day ( Not all pot heads, but I know a few who have spent two days locked in their rooms doing nothing but smoking pot and eating lays.

I was contrasting the claim of right-wing commentators with the actual facts of low unemployment - that IF young people ARE lazy then it's a shocking coincidence that it's happened when there are no jobs for them to go into.
I'm 23 and I spent 2 years being unemployed so please don't tell me about how hard it is to find work okay?


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TheWildHost wrote:

Melissia wrote:I've seen no evidence that the current group of youths is any lazier than any other group of youths in the past.

High obesity rates, and even then there are a ton of pot heads who do nothing but sit around all day ( Not all pot heads, but I know a few who have spent two days locked in their rooms doing nothing but smoking pot and eating lays.

Sending off a CV takes like 20 seconds. Smoking weed doesn't make you less likely to apply for jobs.

TheWildHost wrote:High obesity rates

Doesn't indicate laziness. It indicates a poor diet.

TheWildHost wrote:and even then there are a ton of pot heads

The highest figure I could find is one in ten youths. That is not exactly a very sizable minority.

Melissia wrote:

TheWildHost wrote:High obesity rates

Doesn't indicate laziness. It indicates a poor diet.

Poor diet? Poor diet can be negated with moderate exercise, plus you can have a poor diet and not be obese.

TheWildHost wrote:and even then there are a ton of pot heads

The highest figure I could find is one in ten youths. That is not exactly a very sizable minority.

Testify wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Testify wrote:I think it's an incredible coincidence that young people are lazy

That's a cute little lie you tell yourself so you can look down on young people.

Young people are no more or less lazy than they have always been.

Way to just ignore literally everything that I said in that post.

I think why I don't like posting on this forum is because you people have the ability to ignore the fact that only 2 of the six years in 18-24 are teen years and instead just flop around arguing whether teen people are lazy. Not that either of you back up your claims in any way at all anyway.