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Flamers
: +1 Wound, +1 Init, 5++ invlun save from daemon rule
: 23 points a model
: 5 points to add a character with +1 attack (good for eating challenges)
: Max size of 9
: No more bolt

Screamer Changes
: +1 Wound, +1 Init, 3 attacks, 5++ invlun save from daemon rule
: 25 points a model
: Lamprey's Bite : AP 2, STR 5, Armorbane
: Max size of 9
: Jetbikes

HellFlayers
: Cost the same as a bare bones C:SM predator
: Aluress has same stats as daemonette with +1 Attack
: AV 11 on front and sides, 2 HP
: Gain extra attacks = to the number of unsaves wounds from hammer of wrath hits.

Seeker Chariots
: Come in squads of 1-3 (can combine with Exaulted)
: 20 points cheaper than a Hellflayer
: Aluress has same stats as daemonette with +1 Attack
: AV 11 on front and sides, 2 HP
: Rolls 1d6 hammer of wrath hits for every hull point left. STR 4, AP-, Rending
: Exaulted chariots have 4 HPs for more hammer of wrath hits.

Herald of Slaanesh
: 10 point discount if you put her on a chariot (you still need to pay for the herald)
: The old chariot is no longer an option -- it seems to have been replaced

Thanatos_elNyx wrote:How often did anyone take Bolt with Flamers anyway.

yeah flamers were 3-4 guys deepstriking in your face and erasing expensive unit then they die.
if they didn't die. they would erase another.
bolt was just extra cost because all you wanted was to remove foot on the drop.

Just realized how tough a squadron of chariots is going to be to deepstrike....

I need those Plaguebeares now! Awesome rotting sauce!

Those Plaguebearers are fantastic.

Also, clearly GW is going back to their roots.

They're selling a skulls pack!

This is my tactical view on the updates

Flamers
- These units are full of win. Dropping 3 templates that ignore armor saves and wounds on a 4+ is going to be very good.
- Assuming you hit 3 models per template, 6 of these flamers can be expected to kill every model within range of the flame templates.
- Since they all have flamers, very few units will risk an assault on these guys.

Screamer Changes
- Getting 3 attacks per model means that your going to hit vehicles on an average of twice per model. The average AP will be 13, so with 3 models you should shred most vehicles.
- Whats unexpected is how good these got at killing MEQ/TEQ. They went from being near useless to having a STR 5 AP2 attack. Unless its altered, 6 of these assaulting a unit will have 24 STR 5, AP2 attacks. That's 10 dead MEQ, and will crush TEQ that does not have a 3++
- As jetbikes these units can travel 36" per turn, so there is nowhere on the board they cannot be on turn 2.
- As jetbikes they get a 4++ jink when they turbo-boost.
- These are now the daemon version of wraiths IMHO. While they are not as resilient as wraiths they are faster and pump out more damage.


HellFlayers
- A decent unit. A beautiful model. Why would you ever bring this over screamers?


Seeker Chariots
- The ability to do massive amounts of HoW hits is very appealing. 3 of these chariots could do 12d6 HoW hits or 40 hits. Owch!

I'm just looking at the idea that the chariots can move 12" and then charge 2d6" but with fleet can re-roll. That's pretty damn nasty, especially being immune to bolter fire from the front/sides.

This and screamers are actually pretty insane. If you wanna give your flying DP's.

I never took bolt on the old flamers, but I was hoping they would be a more resilient platform in 6e and I could drop some points from my squishy Horror units.

LOVE ALL OF THIS.

Also, awesome Nurglings!! How is it that the models for Scarabs and Ripper Swarms still suck so hard? Give us SWARMS, GW! SWAAAARRRRRMMMMMS!!!!

The more that I'm seeing here, the more I'm seeing Slaves to Darkness, and Lost and the Damned.


It's De Ja Vu all over again.

Thats not a bad thing with Chaos. Those were some pretty hefty tombes.

All in all, It is starting to look like GW's starting to get thier game back. Too bad it took them so long.

Dem slaaensh stuff!

I wish everyone else got cool chariot kits

Cant wait to see what they do with the Greater Daemons

I'm somehow quite disappointed that the we got neither the new flyers or the new CSM. Nevertheless these Daemon models are very good. The chariot is obviously sweet but I do like both the Plaguebearers and the Nurglings too. They are comical just the right way.

ugh, the new stuff looks awefull -.-

the slaanesh stuff.....ok it'll look better with the old metals riding it. the plaguebearers look far to happy/fat/cartoony and the nurglings just make me cry. the flamers are no longer smooth and flowing, their boxy and wooden.

I have a lot of hate for the blue scribes but the squigs with legs that they call horrors have never looked good to me anyway

so rather than twisted, hellish looking warp spawn we get more comical recasts of the old, old metals. thanks GW....thanks -.-

Man, no pleasing everyone.

pretre wrote:Man, no pleasing everyone.

sorry :3 I like the old ones more

the new stuff is just too....old :/

pretre wrote:Man, no pleasing everyone.

Its warhammer, when has anyone at once been pleased?


I am kind of in a bit of a shock on the nurgle stuff tbh. I'm not saying I hate them, but I was surprised at the nurglings Happy Fun Time look

kenshin620 wrote:

pretre wrote:Man, no pleasing everyone.

Its warhammer, when has anyone at once been pleased?


I am kind of in a bit of a shock on the nurgle stuff tbh. I'm not saying I hate them, but I was surprised at the nurglings Happy Fun Time look

according to the makers, everyone ever

about the nurgle, maybe it's the paint job too.....far too pale

I'll wait till I see them painted betterer to pass final judgement but I'm still not happy with them

Old plaguebearers had not freaking shapes... like they where carved in wood by someone's teeth... these new ones look so much better.

Looking at the pictures, it seems none of the daemons have an armor save. I saw several people mention that this means they should get a 5++, as the BRB now defines daemons as having a 5++ save and fear. However, the Daemon rule is also defined in the codex, and the rule book states that when this happens, you must use the rule in the codex. The rule in the codex for daemons says nothing about a 5++ save however. The FAQ for the daemon codex was updated to state that the Daemon rule in the codex now also includes fear, but there is no mention of it now also including the baseline 5++ save listed in the rulebook.

This would seem to indicate that none of the new daemons have a save. The only way around this I can see, is that the codex defines the Daemon special rule used by all models in the book as including the four special rules listed on page 27. It's possible that this could be used to argue it simply includes these rules, but is not limited to them, and therefore also includes the rules in the rulebook. I'm not sure why it would be necessary to explicitly state that daemons in the chaos daemons codex have fear in the FAQ though if this were the case. If GW did it simply to clarify, it seems strange that they didn't also clarify the issue with the 5++ baseline save.

Is there anything I missed?

Clearly the new daemons use the baseline 5++. Even if you want to start a YMDC thread, the entries are not in the old Chaos Daemons codex they are in a WD codex and the Daemon rule will reference the BRB version.

TzeentchNet wrote:Clearly the new daemons use the baseline 5++. Even if you want to start a YMDC thread, the entries are not in the old Chaos Daemons codex they are in a WD codex and the Daemon rule will reference the BRB version.

I was thinking this too, but if that is the case, then the new daemons don't use the four rules on p27, as they instead use the Daemon rule defined in the BRB. This causes all sorts of problems, and can't be what they intended. For example this would mean that they don't arrive via daemonic assault, and none of the new units have eternal warrior.

Anyone know if the rules update says anything about this? Or am I overlooking something silly?

The Slaneesh stuff looks pretty cool. Nurglin' look way too happy, like they've never seen the grim dark. Props to the Daemonette stuff tho, srsly cool.

I have mixed feelings about the new nurglings. Not sure what to say about them right now.

I don't love any of those. It's like they've taken Juan Diaz oldies and said "Make these obnoxious. No really, over-do it, go on."

Flamers just got amazing.
Not sure about screamers. Sure they'd smash MEQ in assault, but looking at my current flying circus build I can't see a space for them. I wouldn't want to ditch a FMC, and I need enough horrors to hold ground.
Also we don't know that they don't retain the 4++. Keep the jury out on that one.

The nurglings just look really "plain" in my opinion. Not sure how to describe what it is I really don't like about them but they're kinda "meh" for me so far.

The flamers I agree on, the old ones were definitely better. These new models seem a little more "stiff" or wooden, and I also don't like the inclusion of gakky-looking plastic fire all over...I think they were better off without it. I also didn't like the new horrors when they came out either, they looked almost comical in comparison to the old metals and that's not a look I like for Tzeentch daemons. Screamers look the same as far as I can tell.

Sidstyler wrote:The flamers I agree on, the old ones were definitely better. These new models seem a little more "stiff" or wooden, and I also don't like the inclusion of gakky-looking plastic fire all over...I think they were better off without it. I also didn't like the new horrors when they came out either, they looked almost comical in comparison to the old metals and that's not a look I like for Tzeentch daemons. Screamers look the same as far as I can tell.

I agree on the flamers (old ones were better). Its possible though, that being a plastic kit, we can choose not to add all the flames. This would be really cool, as I'd keep the flames to use on other models and just tone them down a bit on the flamers.

My God that chariot looks stupid. I like the plaguebearers, antlers are cool. Nurglings...bit too uniform them piles, are they doing a show? Some sort of county fair motor bike stunt style? Flamers look like the old ones but not as good. I'm glad they're all failcast.

Jomy wrote: I'm glad they're all failcast.

The only resin model is the Blue Scribes

Finally I can afford an all nurgle daemon army!!! =)