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clively wrote:
Game wise: Lelith doesn't have a chance.

Fluff wise: she's already dead. Killed by a salamander chaplain in one of nick kyme's books. So.. Unless Nurgle is able to steal her soul from slaanesh and turn her into a zombie, the fight ain't gonna happen.

A number of SC's are dead in the books, Eldrad for example, doesn't mean they aren't going to be reused as a SC though.

Urien's hobby is being killed, over and over, in different ways.

 LavuranGuard wrote:

clively wrote:
Game wise: Lelith doesn't have a chance.

Fluff wise: she's already dead. Killed by a salamander chaplain in one of nick kyme's books. So.. Unless Nurgle is able to steal her soul from slaanesh and turn her into a zombie, the fight ain't gonna happen.

Different spelling in Kyme's book, not the same person IIRC.

From personally experience Lelith got squashed by Vulkan though..

To be fair, any marine IC with a decent invulnerable save will dismantle Lilith. She's a bully character, much like Mephiston.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I fail to see how 2 agonizers would make it more M then it already is?

Let's just say that the way I see it, it would be too close a reference to a certain subculture on which DE models are already based. But you're correct in your own way, it's probably M enough as it is.

But gameplay-wise, it would actually make Lelith close to viable. Her only problem besides cost is T5+. She'd eat Abaddon as the main course and Typhus for dessert.

BTW, I don't believe the books are canon. If they were, the devs would likely never allow the writer to kill Eldrad or Abaddon.

Actually I believe Eldrad was killed during a global campaign, the 13th Black Crusade IIRC? Had his soul devoured aboard a black stone fortress. I also believe that the Lelith your referring to wasn't actually Lelith Hesperax, was another Dark Eldar wych called lilith IIRC. As it goes for dead SCs there's a few out there, Lysander (I think) and Tycho to name a couple.

Eldrad was defeated by Slanneshi forces aboard a posessed Blackstone fortress.

It is rumored his Soulstone survives somewhere, but I find that doubtful.

And yes it did happen in the 13th Black Crusade WWC.



Lysander is not dead. His ship was sucked into the warp for a thousand years and eventually returned. He has resumed his position as captain of the 1st.

Tycho is dead.

Sanguinor may or may not be dependent on uour views on whether he is Sanguinius' spirit or the orginal Sang Guard.

Technically, Lucius has died a lot of times.

Eldrad and all the Pheonix Lords have technically died.

Necrons arn't alive so...

Swarmlords and Hive Tyrants die all the time and are recreated. So are most of the Nid SCs.

I came into this thread very late. Considering I use Abaddon as my sole, chief, omnipresent special character in any list.. that is disappointing.

However, I can tell you I don't give a flying feth about Lillith. Run up against her several times, never had trouble. As a matter of fact, I only need to worry about Abaddon in a few special matchups.

1. Draigo (in 5th). In sixth he is a joke.

2. A Swarmlord (which eats Abby for breakfast)

And.. in my Meta.. that's about it. I have never come up against MSS or a Fortune-Seer squad or anything of the like, though I expect that would present problems. Otherwise I can pretty much just slog Abaddon across the field, trust him to survive shooting and pretty much melt anything in close combat. It's kinda awesome.

I vote for a necron overlord with phase shifter warscythe, teseract and mss.

Alpharius