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My only worry about Palistinian gaining UN recognition is how this was achieved.

Is it that far fetched that other groups would do the same thing?

This changes a lot of things.

I doubt this will change that much, to be honest.
I hope I'm wrong and it changes things to the better.

Could all the Israel cheerleaders in the thread please read the parts where other posters condemn Hamas's actions?

And maybe put yourselves in the shoes of a group that don't possess absolutely overwhelming military force. Hard to imagine for you lot, I know.

whembly wrote:My only worry about Palistinian gaining UN recognition is how this was achieved.

Is it that far fetched that other groups would do the same thing?

This changes a lot of things.

You're worried that it was passed with an overwhelming majority in a democratic vote?

so legally if Palestine attacks Israel or vice versa it's now an official act of war and should be viewed as such, yes?

So do we suddenly get involved if this happens or what? and on whos side? would we defend/ support Israel irrelevant of how started it? or just the country being attacked?

 azazel the cat wrote:

whembly wrote:My only worry about Palistinian gaining UN recognition is how this was achieved.

Is it that far fetched that other groups would do the same thing?

This changes a lot of things.

You're worried that it was passed with an overwhelming majority in a democratic vote?

Not necessarily...

What this does is provide a blueprint for other groups wanting their own independence.

Probably nothing to worry about since every situation is different.

 whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

whembly wrote:My only worry about Palistinian gaining UN recognition is how this was achieved.

Is it that far fetched that other groups would do the same thing?

This changes a lot of things.

You're worried that it was passed with an overwhelming majority in a democratic vote?

Not necessarily...

What this does is provide a blueprint for other groups wanting their own independence.

Probably nothing to worry about since every situation is different.

it also gives hope to places that have independence but haven't had it recognized. I:e somaliland and puntland.

 nomsheep wrote:
so legally if Palestine attacks Israel or vice versa it's now an official act of war and should be viewed as such, yes?

Nah, not really.

nomsheep wrote:so legally if Palestine attacks Israel or vice versa it's now an official act of war and should be viewed as such, yes?

or just the country being attacked?

A deep and resounding no.
The General Assembly resolutions are non-binding to anyone except the General Assembly. Un recognition of Palestine in any way is a statement that does not carry the force of law.

 Seaward wrote:

 nomsheep wrote:
so legally if Palestine attacks Israel or vice versa it's now an official act of war and should be viewed as such, yes?

Nah, not really.

Why not?

 Grey Templar wrote:
Why not?

What Auston said.

The real problem with this is that it's in all probability going to make what little remains of the peace process even more difficult. The UN member nations who voted for it are terrified of the fact that Hamas is essentially making Abbas irrelevant among everyday Palestinians; they figure throwing him a bone like this will allow him to go back to Palestine with a big, "See? I told you so! Stick with me!" sign around his neck.

What doesn't work about that scenario is that nothing at all is going to change for your everyday Palestinian as a result of the vote. Palestinians are going to realize this, eventually, and Abbas is going to become more irrelevant than ever as Hamas says, "See? Violence is the only way," now with some evidence.

The staggering level of ignorance, paranoia, and fear in this thread is deeply sad. Some here are too extreme for the John Birch Society.

TheHammer wrote:
The staggering level of ignorance, paranoia, and fear in this thread is deeply sad. Some here are too extreme for the John Birch Society.

Ohh I like this game. Can I play too?
And some so extreme Castro would have to tell them to lighten up.

Some so slanted the leaning tower of Piza would be vertical.

Some so loopy you'd swear you were at an F1 race.

TheHammer wrote:
The staggering level of ignorance, paranoia, and fear in this thread is deeply sad. Some here are too extreme for the John Birch Society.

What do you mean by this? Inquiring minds want to know!

 nomsheep wrote:
so legally if Palestine attacks Israel or vice versa it's now an official act of war and should be viewed as such, yes?

So do we suddenly get involved if this happens or what? and on whos side? would we defend/ support Israel irrelevant of how started it? or just the country being attacked?

I love that! Typical Brit - "Wait, there's a war!? Ooh, where? Who? HOW CAN WE GET INVOLVED!!!??"

 whembly wrote:

TheHammer wrote:
The staggering level of ignorance, paranoia, and fear in this thread is deeply sad. Some here are too extreme for the John Birch Society.

What do you mean by this? Inquiring minds want to know!

He's graduating from openly insulting people he disagrees with to just insulting everyone in the thread.

Uh-oh... These guys really could give masterclasses on eye-for-an-eye making the whole world blind, couldn't they....?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20552391

Israel has authorised the construction of 3,000 more housing units in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank, according to Israeli officials.

It is also speeding up the processing of 1,000 planning permissions.

The decision comes a day after a vote at the UN General Assembly upgraded the Palestinians' status at the UN to that of non-member observer state.

The US said the expansion plan was counterproductive and would make it harder to resume peace talks.

"We reiterate our longstanding opposition to settlements and East Jerusalem construction and announcements," White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said.

Well, that's helpful.

Why should Israel be helpful to it's Section 8 tenants?

 Albatross wrote:

 nomsheep wrote:
so legally if Palestine attacks Israel or vice versa it's now an official act of war and should be viewed as such, yes?

So do we suddenly get involved if this happens or what? and on whos side? would we defend/ support Israel irrelevant of how started it? or just the country being attacked?

I love that! Typical Brit - "Wait, there's a war!? Ooh, where? Who? HOW CAN WE GET INVOLVED!!!??"

I thought that reaction was only for Naval Engagements amongst the loyal subjects of the Crown?

 AustonT wrote:
Why should Israel be helpful to it's Section 8 tenants?

No, you're absolutely right. I think the region's doing fine. I say we try and spin this Isreal/Palestine thing out as long as we can guys, yeah? Sound good?





Guys?

As far as Im concerned this Israel Palestinian thing ended the day the Palestinians said feth a two state solution and tried to massacre the other half.

Which day was that?

Pick one.

The same day white people decided to generally hate muslims and pseudo-muslims.

I can't really say when that was, honestly, I get so many memos, I lose track of them.

Edit : I seem to remember that was around the time we got the 'blacks are allowed to play golf too' one.

I don't think it was a specific day, but they have been saying the same thing more or less since Israel was founded. I mean the neighboring countries even decided to hold a war to welcome them to the neighborhood.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I don't think it was a specific day, but they have been saying the same thing more or less since Israel was founded. I mean the neighboring countries even decided to hold a war to welcome them to the neighborhood.

Which was soooooo not at all predictable. Noooooooo. Nope.


No sir.

Yeah, so?

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yeah, so?

Just saying, bad decision was bad. And predictably so from the beginning.

We would've happily welcomed the jews in Newfoundland.

Well the area is the historical Jewish homeland. They wouldn't accept any other location and the British Empire didn't care otherwise. At the time it had little value beyond religious significance.

And there was a large Jewish population already there anyway. Why move them elsewhere?

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well the area is the historical Jewish homeland. They wouldn't accept any other location and the British Empire didn't care otherwise. At the time it had little value beyond religious significance.

And there was a large Jewish population already there anyway. Why move them elsewhere?

Why? The last 65 years do a fine job expliciting the answer to that why. Personnaly, between my 'historical ethnic homeland' and 'a fine place where your neighbours don't want to carnage you all over the wall', I know which one I'd take.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well the area is the historical Jewish homeland. They wouldn't accept any other location and the British Empire didn't care otherwise. At the time it had little value beyond religious significance.

And there was a large Jewish population already there anyway. Why move them elsewhere?

Why? The last 65 years do a fine job expliciting the answer to that why. Personnaly, between my 'historical ethnic homeland' and 'a fine place where your neighbours don't want to carnage you all over the wall', I know which one I'd take.

Of course, thats what you would do.

They would rather have their historical ethnic homeland because thats what is important to them. You and I probably can't ever fully understand that because our culture is vastly different. I understand that its what was and is important to them, and I respect them for that.